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Life After Lakeland: Sorting Out the Confusion by Lee Grady

sermonindex Aug 14, 2008


[b]Life After Lakeland: Sorting Out the Confusion[/b]
[i]by Lee Grady[/i]

Todd Bentley’s announcement that his marriage is ending has thrown our movement into a tailspin—and questions need to be answered.


It was not supposed to end like this.

Evangelist Todd Bentley had heralded the Lakeland revival as the greatest Pentecostal outpouring since Azusa Street. From his stage in a gigantic tent in Florida, Bentley preached to thousands, bringing many of them to the stage for prayer. Many claimed to be healed of deafness, blindness, heart problems, depression and dozens of other conditions in the Lakeland services, which ran for more than 100 consecutive nights. Bentley announced confidently that dozens of people had been raised from the dead during the revival.

But this week, a few days after the Canadian preacher announced the end of his visits to Lakeland, he told his staff that his marriage is ending. Without blaming the pace of the revival for Bentley’s personal problems, his board released a public statement saying that he and his wife, Shonnah, are separating. The news shocked Bentley’s adoring fans and saddened those who have questioned his credibility since the Lakeland movement erupted in early April.

“Among those who jumped on the Lakeland bandwagon, discernment was discouraged. They were expected to swallow and follow. The message was clear: ‘This is God. Don’t question.’ ”


I’m sad. I’m disappointed. And I’m angry. Here are few of my many, many questions about this fiasco:

Why did so many people flock to Lakeland from around the world to rally behind an evangelist who had serious credibility issues from the beginning?

To put it bluntly, we’re just plain gullible.

From the first week of the Lakeland revival, many discerning Christians raised questions about Bentley’s beliefs and practices. They felt uneasy when he said he talked to an angel in his hotel room. They sensed something amiss when he wore a T-shirt with a skeleton on it. They wondered why a man of God would cover himself with tattoos. They were horrified when they heard him describe how he tackled a man and knocked his tooth out during prayer.

But among those who jumped on the Lakeland bandwagon, discernment was discouraged. They were expected to swallow and follow. The message was clear: “This is God. Don’t question.” So before we could all say, “Sheeka Boomba” (as Bentley often prayed from his pulpit), many people went home, prayed for people and shoved them to the floor with reckless abandon, Bentley-style.

I blame this lack of discernment, partly, on raw zeal for God. We’re spiritually hungry—which can be a good thing. But sometimes, hungry people will eat anything.

Many of us would rather watch a noisy demonstration of miracles, signs and wonders than have a quiet Bible study. Yet we are faced today with the sad reality that our untempered zeal is a sign of immaturity. Our adolescent craving for the wild and crazy makes us do stupid things. It’s way past time for us to grow up.

Why didn’t anyone in Lakeland denounce the favorable comments Bentley made about William Branham?

This one baffles me. Branham embraced horrible deception near the end of his ministry, before he died in 1965. He claimed that he was the reincarnation of Elijah—and his strange doctrines are still embraced by a cultlike following today. When Bentley announced to the world that the same angel that ushered in the 1950s healing revival had come to Lakeland, the entire audience should have run for the exits.

Why didn’t anyone correct this error from the pulpit? Godly leaders are supposed to protect the sheep from heresy, not spoon feed deception to them. Only God knows how far this poison traveled from Lakeland to take root elsewhere. May God forgive us for allowing His Word to be so flippantly contaminated.

A prominent Pentecostal evangelist called me this week after Bentley’s news hit the fan. He said to me: “I’m now convinced that a large segment of the charismatic church will follow the anti-Christ when he shows up because they have no discernment.” Ouch. Hopefully we’ll learn our lesson this time and apply the necessary caution when an imposter shows up.

Why did God TV tell people that “any criticism of Todd Bentley is demonic”?

This ridiculous statement was actually made on one of God TV’s pre-shows. In fact, the network’s hosts also warned listeners that if they listened to criticism of Bentley, they could lose their healings.

This is cultic manipulation at its worst. The Bible tells us that the Bereans were noble believers because they studied the Scriptures daily “to see whether these things were so” (Acts 17:11, NASB). Yet in the case of Lakeland, honest intellectual inquiry was viewed as a sign of weakness. People were expected to jump first and then open their eyes.

Just because we believe in the power of the Holy Spirit does not mean we check our brains at the church door. We are commanded to test the spirits. Jesus wants us to love Him with our hearts and our minds.

Because of the Lakeland scandal, there may be large numbers of people who feel they’ve been burned by Bentley. Some may give up on church and join the growing ranks of bitter, disenfranchised Christians. Others may suffer total spiritual shipwreck. This could have been avoided if leaders had been more vocal about their objections and urged people to evaluate spiritual experiences through the filter of God’s Word.

Why did a group of respected ministers lay hands on Bentley on June 23 and publicly ordain him? Did they know of his personal problems?

This controversial ceremony was organized by Peter Wagner, who felt that one of Bentley’s greatest needs was proper spiritual covering. He asked California pastors Che Ahn and Bill Johnson, along with Canadian pastor John Arnott, to lay hands on Bentley and bring him under their care.

Bentley certainly needs such covering. No one in ministry today should be out on their own, living in isolation without checks, balances and wise counsel. It was commendable that Wagner reached out to Bentley and that Bentley acknowledged his need for spiritual fathers by agreeing to submit to the process. The question remains, however, whether it was wise to commend Bentley during a televised commissioning service that at times seemed more like a king’s coronation.

In hindsight, we can all see that it would have been better to take Bentley into a back room and talk about his personal issues.

The Bible tells us that ordination of a minister is a sober responsibility. Paul wrote: “Do not lay hands upon anyone too hastily and thereby share responsibility for the sins of others” (1 Tim. 5:22). We might be tempted to rush the process, but the apostle warned against fast-tracking ordination—and he said that those who commission a minister who is not ready for the job will bear some of the blame for his failures.

I trust that Wagner, Ahn, Johnson and Arnott didn’t know of Bentley’s problems before they ordained him. I am sure they are saddened by the events of this week and are reaching out to Bentley and his wife to promote healing and restoration. But I believe that they, along with Bentley and the owners of God TV, owe the body of Christ a forthright, public apology for thrusting Bentley’s ministry into the spotlight prematurely. (Perhaps such an apology should be aired on God TV.)

Can anything good come out of this?

That depends on how people respond. If the men assigned to oversee Bentley offer loving but firm correction, and if Bentley responds humbly to the process by stepping out of ministry for a season of rehabilitation, we could witness a healthy case of church discipline play out the way it is supposed to. If all those who were so eager to promote Bentley now rush just as fast to repent for their errors in judgment, then the rest of us could breathe a huge sigh of relief—and the credibility of our movement could be restored.

I still believe that God desires to visit our nation in supernatural power. I know He wants to heal multitudes, and I will continue praying for a healing revival to sweep across the United States. But we must contend for the genuine, not an imitation. True revival will be accompanied by brokenness, humility, reverence and repentance—not the arrogance, showmanship and empty hype that often was on display in Lakeland.

We are weathering an unprecedented season of moral failure and spiritual compromise in our nation today. I urge everyone in the charismatic world to pray for Bentley; his wife, Shonnah; his three young children; Bentley’s ministry staff; and the men and women who serve as his counselors and advisers. Let’s pray that God will turn this embarrassing debacle into an opportunity for miraculous restoration.

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sojourner7 Aug 15, 2008

Sad state of affairs when people seek after
signs and wonders and find they are only smoke,
mirrors, illusions, and deceptions.
Remember, God is not the author of confusion!!
His truth will prevail and what is false will
be exposed and revealed!

J
jlosinski Aug 15, 2008

"Why didn’t anyone correct this error from the pulpit?"

Truth be told, there are many credible men and ministries that have pointed out the error in this entire fiasco; people won't listen to what they don't want to hear.

sermonindex Aug 15, 2008

Maybe now this whole joke of a circus will fade away never to be heard from again.

But dont worry... there will be a new deceiver on the scene within the month.

Oh, and one has to wonder about ol' Bob Jones and his "prophecies". Looks like he got it wrong [b]again[/b]!

Krispy

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Mattie Aug 15, 2008

Miracles are a glorious thing when they are bearing witness to Truth! But when miracles and signs are pursue as an end in itself, it is the most dangerous of things.

I agree with the Pentecostal preacher who shared with Lee Grady that "Many 'pentecostals' will be swept away by the deception of the Anti-christ'. 2 Thessalonians 2 talks of those who are lured by miracles, and lying wonders, yet not having a love for the TRUTH. A love for miracles without a love for truth becomes a dangerous thing, because you are incapable of being corrected by the Word of God and you exalt your experience above His written decrees.

I pray that God brings grace into Todd Bentley's situation, and that he sees this time as a season to be properly discipled into the Scriptures. We should wish no harm on the Bentley family. We must take heed lest we also fall. Yes he needs discipline, and yes he needs to have accountability, but we must look to the Hebrew Scriptures as our point of reference that our God is the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Hezekiah, Uzziah, etc etc etc. Their stories testify to us that despite the grossest of errors, if there is a genuine turning to God He will restore them.

S
Shoufany Aug 15, 2008

lately someone has established a group here, taking people from different evangelical churches, a group of people who have decided they don't want anything to do with other christians simply because they are not "holy".
how did they decide ? well, because these "unholy" christian don't speak in tongues. so they decided that these people are not even saved.
in addition, they decided to cut any kind of relations with anyone, including their families, who do not belong to their own new "church". let alone non-believers. what a testimony.
a couple of days a young girl who's sister attends that "church" sent me an SMS saying she was afraid for her sister. seriously afraid.

i really don't get those people who, when they come to judge, look on the "show" or the "atmosphere".
when you go to buy apples, my friend, you don't go to check the tree ! but you check the fruits ! you examine each and every single apple. and Jesus knew that. he told us to examine the fruits.

when i come to judge any group's belief or actions, i take the two basic tests that the Bible provides:
first test: 2Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

3And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. (1 John 4)


Second test: 19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.


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Fuegodedios Aug 15, 2008

What a statement

“I’m now convinced that a large segment of the charismatic church will follow the anti-Christ when he shows up because they have no discernment.”

I totally agree with this. However this is not just a warning to the charismatic movement but anyone who does not stay grounded upon true biblical foundations. I am by no means smiling or happy about what has happened to Todd Bentley I pray that the Holy Spirit draw him close to someone who has a more sure foundation in biblical truth. I agree with the scriptures below

2 Thessalonians 2:8-11
Then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming;

9that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders,

10and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved.

11For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false.

It seems like when these types of things happen in the church and folks pass them off as revivals people just throw their bibles out of the window. I remember hearing an old man talk about being in great move that started in the state of CA. He says that their were many signs and wonders and also many healings. Folks were being delivered financially. But the minister running the revival stood up and cried " WE DON'T NEED THIS BOOK ANYMORE" (Talking about the BIBLE). This elderly gentleman said well that was my sign that I should leave so I got up and went home( "because the bible for me was a more sure word of prophecy"). This next statement he made is shocking. He says " well a few months from that time I saw this same minister press everyone that followed him in this false revival to the jungles and commit mass suicide by drinking cool-aid that minister was Jim Jones. That elderly man just in great haste said to us "stay with the Bible stay upon biblical foundations or you will be swept away by deception".


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moreofHim Aug 15, 2008

Test Revival with Doctrine
August 14, 2008 | By: John Piper
Category: Commentary

Lee Grady, the editor of Charisma, one of the main charismatic magazines, has written a lament and critique of the Lakeland “revival” which is now in a tailspin over the leader's announced separation from his wife. Grady’s summons to pray for the church and our nation is right, and among his commendable questions and observations are these:

"Many of us would rather watch a noisy demonstration of miracles, signs and wonders than have a quiet Bible study. Yet we are faced today with the sad reality that our untempered zeal is a sign of immaturity. Our adolescent craving for the wild and crazy makes us do stupid things. It’s way past time for us to grow up."

"True revival will be accompanied by brokenness, humility, reverence and repentance—not the arrogance, showmanship and empty hype that often was on display in Lakeland."

"A prominent Pentecostal evangelist called me this week after Bentley’s news hit the fan. He said to me: “I’m now convinced that a large segment of the charismatic church will follow the anti-Christ when he shows up because they have no discernment.” Ouch. Hopefully we’ll learn our lesson this time and apply the necessary caution when an imposter shows up."
Charismatics will not be the only ones who follow the Antichrist when he rises. So will the mass of those who today in thousands of evangelical churches belittle the truth of biblical doctrine as God’s agent to set us free (John 8:32).


Discernment is not created in God’s people by brokenness, humility, reverence, and repentance. It is created by biblical truth and the application of truth by the power of the Holy Spirit to our hearts and minds. When that happens, then the brokenness, humility, reverence, and repentance will have the strong fiber of the full counsel of God in them. They will be profoundly Christian and not merely religious and emotional and psychological.

The common denominator of those who follow the Antichrist will not be “charismatic.” It will be, as Paul says, “they refused to love the truth.”

The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. (2 Thessalonians 2:9-12)

Our test for every Lakeland that comes along should first be doctrinal and expositional. Is this awakening carried along by a “love for the truth” and a passion to hear the whole counsel of God proclaimed?

J
JoanM Aug 15, 2008

Yes, I understand why this article is posted on this forum. Perhaps it is a hopeful sign. At least it is something. Although I do not know of Lee Grady, I take it he identifies himself as part of the “charismatic world” and that his “our movement” includes the people he writes about. Thus, someone “inside” is speaking up.

[u]I recommend the study of one who was inside the early church and spoke up[/u]. Jude, who desired to write about our common salvation, found it necessary to write otherwise. Where is it found to pray for grace for false teachers? Does Jude plead that those who are spiritual go and restore false teachers? Do you think what’s-his-name is not a false teacher? Do you think believers filled with the Holy Spirit of God can lack discernment of such gross things? Strong delusion requires what?

Dealing with a failing marriage is not dealing with false teaching: “reaching out to Bentley and his wife to promote healing and restoration.” Why? So that the show could go on? On the one hand, there are [b]imaginations[/b] that lift themselves up against [b]the knowledge of God[/b]. On the other hand, there is Philippians 3:10 [b]Know Him[/b], and all that follows there. How many kingdoms are there?

Is no one afraid of what it would mean for God to restore the marriage of a false teacher without dealing with the false teaching?

“Let’s pray that God will turn this embarrassing debacle into an opportunity for miraculous restoration.” It is Godly repentance that would be a miracle here and I do not see in this article anything that would lead to it. Did Mr. Grady miss Mr. Swaggart?

A “public apology” is no sign of brokenness and is not confession of sin. Were those really respected ministers that laid hands on him?

The little ones I can pray for (Jude 22-23).

Lee Grady I can pray for: “Hopefully we’ll learn our lesson this time and apply the necessary caution when an imposter shows up.” [b]IF[/b] Mr. Grady knows what he is saying (that what’s-his-name is another “imposter”), there is hope for his freedom from the sin of intimidation and that God use him to snatch some out of the fire. I could pray likewise for the “prominent Pentecostal evangelist”.

Most honestly, I have lost confidence in man, daily find myself standing in the need of prayer (this post included), and pray for true revival.

WITH CONFIDENCE IN GOD

Edit: I just read other posts on this. So it is not the case that no publication would give Mr. Grady or prominent Pentecostal evangelists a place to speak out. Sigh. Well this is, at least, something. I guess I missed posts on Mr. Grady's previous assessment of the danger of an imposter.

Edit #2 (Sorry this just needs to go here, and I did not want to bump the thread)

If I profess with the loudest voice and clearest exposition every portion of the truth of God except precisely that little point which the world and the devil are at that moment attacking, I am not confessing Christ, however boldly I may be professing Christ. Where the battle rages, there the loyalty of the soldier is proved; and to be steady on all the battlefield besides, is mere flight and disgrace if he flinches at that point.

... Martin Luther (1483-1546)

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poet Aug 16, 2008

A question was asked why did not leadership speak out against this so called revival?
I would add this was and IS happening in an Assemblies of God church.
Answer: Who knows, George Wood made a statement but did not name names about revival.
I wrote him a letter concerning this so called revival and how it was infecting a church in Oregon, with no answer from him except his office secretary stating that I need to contact the district it affected.
I wrote the district twice... Im still waiting....over 6 weeks now.... still waiting.......
At my church I made a stink about it when a couple wanted to rave about it, at the time I made it uncomfortable enough for the pro Bentley people to stay quiet about it in public but I still witnessed it on the sidelines, quietly, saying go to freshfire .ca or watch it on God tv.

Lay no hands suddenly on any man,,, Todd's covering was no covering at all. the KC prophets are not teaching sound doctrine, they are teaching Dominionism, and the official AG position teaches against such doctrine,,, yet Im still waiting answers from leadership.... I wish they would read these blogs.

How far has this spread.... Let me tell you.
I just got back from a mission trip to Mexico, I had the privelage to ride with the pastor running the trip who just got back from his SECOND trip to Lakeland, where he got his Impartation, and transferable annointing. He wanted to Lay hands on all our kids and impart this annointing so that they too can walk in Power.
I mentioned this to leadership and the pastor from an Assembly college said to me, dont you believe in the gifts?
I wanted to scream. All I could do was pray.
So the day came for their transferable annointing in Mexico. I prayed, prayed prayed.
he laid hands on all the kids who went up for prayer, and yes this man had the head twitch going on, but nothing happened to the kids and all went well.
This pastor is by my observation, a good man, he loves the Lord and I see the fruit of the spirit on his life.
I did try a warn him about this Impartation stuff and Todd Bentley, but I let it go. Because I had an opportunity to observe, and tell him that I was waiting for Todd's shoe to drop and it has. I hope he gets the hint. I really like this guy in Mexico.
I am relieved this thing has come to a head in Lakeland, because im not sure what is being imparted to our kids, or so called leadership.
I pray that the AG would take a stand and take an official position on all of this, it frustrates those of us who seem to know better.
my two cents anyway mostly from a frustrated heart.
If I have offended anybody please forgive me. I am very frustrated with leadership and their inability to answer questions from sincere inquiries.

C
ccchhhrrriiisss Aug 16, 2008

Hello...

This is a terribly sad situation. There have been godly men who have openly questioned this "revival" since it began. However, such things often fall upon the deaf ears of people who have been instructed that any such criticism is the virtual equivalent to an attack on God.

People in many modern churches are instructed to test everything EXCEPT those things which are part of the pastor's vision from God. Nearly every time we see a "man of God" who marches about in the authority of such claims, we hear rebukes for anyone who questions the Scriptural or factual validity of those claims.

I would caution the brethren about this latest situation. We should not deviate toward "gossip" or an "I told you so" type of attitude in all of this. We realize that this "revival" was no such thing -- not because of this man's marriage problems -- but because of the meetings themselves!

We don't even know the details behind this man's marriage problems. In fact, these marriage problems might not even be entirely his fault (if that makes sense). Thus, we can't use this man's marriage as "proof" that the "revival" was unscriptural. The proof was in the pudding (so to speak). The questionable tactics and results of the Lakeland debacle were evident even before anyone ever found out that Bentley and his wife were having problems. In fact, it is likely that these two things might be unrelated.

I truly believe that there are multitudes of "well-meaning" preachers who use unbiblical tactics to achieve unbiblical results. However, there are also "well-meaning" preachers who use unbiblical tactics in order to achieve [u]Biblical[/u] results. Likewise, there are some who might even try to use Biblical tactics in order to bring about unbiblical results. In this regard, from what I have read about the "revival," I think that Bentley was using the first method (unbiblical tactics for unbiblical results) simply because he sincerely thought that this was correct. His marriage problems probably had little (if anything) to do with the darkness of the situation!

As such, we should pray that God can use this situation to draw Mr. Bentley closer to the truth. We, of course, do not know all of the truth behind this situation. I feel comfortable in saying that nearly everything that I read about the meetings in Lakeland were tainted with unscriptural practice. However, if there was a measure of sincerity with Todd Bentley, perhaps the Lord could still reach him? A broken or fractured marriage is painful -- regardless of the husband or wife (or even who is at fault). I suggest that, if we aren't already doing so, we should pray for this man and his family.

May God somehow get past all of the bricks of this "revival" that are built upon shifting sand and make his way into the hearts of this family! It would be awesome for the Lord to somehow use this situation to reveal the truth to Mr. Bentley! The last pages of his life are not yet written...and it would be great to see a propagator and catalyst of a false revival have an encounter with the truth (like Saul on the road to Damascus) and then introduce something real. It could happen.

:-)

J
JoanM Aug 16, 2008

While looking on the web for a way to e-mail Lee Grady I found this on Charisma's web site:

The Latest Revelation and an Apology from Fresh Fire Ministries
...Aug 16, 2008 ... revealing that Todd Bentley has entered into an unhealthy relationship on an emotional level with a female member of his staff.
... pjmiller.wordpress.com/2008/08/16/the-latest-revelation-and-an-apology-from-fresh-fire-ministries/ - 1 hour ago - Similar pages - Note this

Surely at some point the tours will cancel.

J
JoanM Aug 16, 2008

From the current thread on Art Katz KingJimmy offered this crushing message. [url=. (The Testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy) Against False Prophets](The Testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy) Against False Prophets[/url]


This just out from the Board of Directors of Fresh Fire Ministries:

From the Board of Directors:

We wish to thank all of our friends and partners for the overwhelming flood of support and compassion we have received as a ministry on behalf of Todd and Shonnah Bentley. The many phone calls and emails of concern from people who genuinely love the Bentleys and Fresh Fire Ministries have been a great encouragement to all of us here during these past few days. In particular, the rallying of support and prayer for Todd and Shonnah by prominent leaders within the Body of Christ has been a beautiful indicator of the maturity and grace the Lord is bringing to his Bride.

We wish to acknowledge, however, that since our last statement from the Fresh Fire Board of Directors, we have discovered new information revealing that Todd Bentley has entered into an unhealthy relationship on an emotional level with a female member of his staff. In light of this new information and in consultation with his leaders and advisors, Todd Bentley has agreed to step down from his position on the Board of Directors and to refrain from all public ministry for a season to receive counsel in his personal life.

On behalf of the Fresh Fire leadership and the Board of Directors we wish to apologize to our friends and partners and to the larger body of Christ and to ask for your forgiveness. We are truly sorry for the pain many of you must feel and so regret that in the midst of great revival, the enemy has found a way into our camp. [url=http://forums.charismamag.com/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=3200]Link to more[/url]

[u][b]And the sin that you are confessing is?[/u][/b]

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