did Jesus really die spiritually

i have been searching many years on the scriptures that many faith preachers of this day use to say that Jesus was dead spiritually on the cross and died spiritually and went and took the keys of hell and death from the devil in hell. they teach this had to happen and that it was not finished on the cross but in Jesus dying spiritually and going to hell to defeat the devil. i have studied as much as i can find on this and i do not see anywhere in the bible that Jesus' death was spiritual. i would like to know more info from well established men of God who have seached this all the way through . i would like to know what people think about those who see Jesus' death as a spiritual one, of those hardlined preachers that do and the reasons why you think they adhere to this doctrine . to me it seems to take away from what the atonement really is and makes Jesus out to be just a mere man and not God. i have listened to the preachers that teach this and i still do not find it in scripture when i have diligently searched to find where they come up with this, spiritual death of Christ doctrine that is so prevailent.

You might would want to start with:

E.W. Kenyon's " Identification-A Romance in Redemption"-chapter 5 " We died with Him".

All I will say for now is: Jesus in scripture is called the second/last Adam

Well, the first Adam, his first death was spritual, then physical. God said the day you eat from this tree you shall surely die-well Adam did die that day spiritually-Jesus, being the last Adam went through this same type of process-Jesus was sinless, yet for him to become sin, or when he did in fact become sin-that was his spiritual death to ENABLE him to be able to EVEN die physically. Christ had to take on death spiritually first, for him to even be able to taste natural/physical death for 3 days-because he blood was that sinless, that pure, and so was his spirit (I refer to his human spirit)

Just like Adam could not die physically, without first dying spiritually-so was Christ. Adam had a body without sin, but I think seldom we forget that Christ came to earth in the same bodiy state as Adam. Both had MIRACOULOUS births-to never be mimicked throughout the rest of time. Adam came directly from the hands of God without a womb, and Christ came into this earth through the womb of a virgin without a natural man.

E. W. Kenyon starts the 5th chapter of Identification off like this:

Jesus died twice on the cross.

The rest, I will leave for you to read. Kenyon doesn't teach that Christ's death was ONLY spiritually, he does teach in fact that there was both a spiritual & physical death which both in fact were temporary.

Hope this helps.

I think it comes from this verse

2 Cor 5:21

For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

Some interperate that to mean Jesus died Spiritually

What you're really asking is could God die??
NO. That which is eternal is immortal.
Jesus was and is divine and eternal. His
self could die, His flesh could perish; but
His Spirit and His life are eternal!!

Just as Physical death is the seperation of the spirit from body - [b]Eccl 12:7[/b] [color=990000]then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.[/color]
[b]James 2:26[/b] [color=990000]as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.[/color]

So is Spiritual death is a severed relationship between God & man or the seperation of the spirit from God.

Jesus died physically & spiritually on the cross.
Jesus died spiritually when He cried, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? Which is, being interpreted, My [b]God[/b], my [b]God[/b], why hast thou forsaken me?
This is when Jesus was separated from God which is spiritual death. Jesus does not call His Father "God", only sinners do.

Jesus recieved Spiritual life again when Jesus called out with a loud voice, "[b]Father[/b], into your hands I commit my spirit."(Luk 23:46)

Jesus died physically when He cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost. Mat 27:50, Luk 23:46, John 19:30.

I don't agree with E.W. Kenyon on this doctrine.
Yes, Christ was separated from God while He was
made to bear our shame and sin and God's wrath
against it. The only reason He went to hell
was to bear witness that He is the Holy Son of
God who was dead and lives forevermore and has
the keys of death and hell!!

sojourner7 wrote:
I don't agree with E.W. Kenyon on this doctrine.
Yes, Christ was separated from God while He was
made to bear our shame and sin and God's wrath
against it. The only reason He went to hell
was to bear witness that He is the Holy Son of
God who was dead and lives forevermore and has
the keys of death and hell!!

IF Jesus went to hell, it would have been after He gaind His relationship back with the Father as He cryed with a loud voice saying, Father...ect...".

However, being in hell is not the main thing of spiritual death, it is only the outcome.

Spiritual death is mainly a severed relationsip with with God.
Jesus mends that realitionship between us so that we may have spiritual life, which is also eternal life(John 17:3)

sojourner7 wrote:
I don't agree with E.W. Kenyon on this doctrine.
[b]Yes, Christ was separated from God[/b] while He was
made to bear our shame and sin and God's wrath
against it. The only reason He went to hell
was to bear witness that He is the Holy Son of
God who was dead and lives forevermore and has
the keys of death and hell!!

To be separated from God.......is spiritual death. Thus Christ did die spiritually, as well as physically-this is the very reason he cries " my God my God why hast THOU FORSAKEN me.." before his physical death.

e .w . kenyon went to emersen college and was taught fnostism by ralf waldo trine and waldo emerson and mary baker eddy which started Christian science. kenyons viewpoints. i do not find in Scripture.

nowhere in the bible have i founr that jesus' death was a spiritual one in isaiah 53 it says he poured out his soulnot spirit in 1 cor 5: 21 in the greek it says how God viewed our sin as Jesus' . the bible says that no man speakibf by the Holy Spirit can call Jesus accursed [ anathema ]in the greek. i want to know what , if any of the old timers on here think of this and some more info to reinforce what i already believe to be true. that is from scripture and studying some of the original usages of greek and hebrew and what i know of the atonement as taught by charles finney. that Jesus did not die spiritually . i do want the truth , that can be unreprovable in any court of reason. so far all i see is a mythical spiritual death that the bible does not say happened.

clintstone wrote:
nowhere in the bible have i founr that jesus' death was a spiritual one in isaiah 53 it says he poured out his soulnot spirit in 1 cor 5: 21 in the greek it says how God viewed our sin as Jesus' . the bible says that no man speakibf by the Holy Spirit can call Jesus accursed [ anathema ]in the greek. i want to know what , if any of the old timers on here think of this and some more info to reinforce what i already believe to be true. that is from scripture and studying some of the original usages of greek and hebrew and what i know of the atonement as taught by charles finney. that Jesus did not die spiritually . i do want the truth , that can be unreprovable in any court of reason. so far all i see is a mythical spiritual death that the bible does not say happened.

The soul and the spirit are united.If he poured out his soul-then you should understand that that includes his spirit.

When God breathed the breath of life (spirit) into Adam he instantanouesly BECAME a LIVING SOUL.

i know this is where it is taught from by the believers of Jesus death being spiritual, in the since that He died spiritually. but to me this says nothing in its meaning of Jesus' spiritual death. this only Speaks of Gods viewpoint of Jesus' taking our place,,,, who knew no sin,,, does not any man have to know sin before he dies spiritually, Jesus never knew sin, that's why no one can Call Jesus anathema [accursed]

clintstone wrote:
nowhere in the bible have i founr that jesus' death was a spiritual one...

I gave a definition.
Do you not agree?
If not, what is it then?

hello , sojournor7 . i do believe that it is easy to see that Jesus' death was only physical. that when all the fact of who He was is seen. i believe the devil wants to decieve as much as he can about who Jesus was and thereby undermine the effectualness of the atonement. i really want to know this thoroughly , becuase i live in tulsa, ok. where a lot of this born again man Jesus is taught on and i see this as a grave error.so i want to be as solid as scripture reveals on this. letusreason.org .. speaks much about this and judith mattas' book " the born again jesus of the word faith movement " teaches about this. i am asking here becuase i thought that some of the old timers had dealt with this issue as i believe the first century Christians did.

I am not saying Christ's death was a "spiritual one"-I am stating that Christ's death included both death spiritually and physically-that it was NOT just physical.

Matt 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, [b]why hast thou forsaken me[/b]? (Spiritual).......50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. (Physical)

clintstone wrote:
i know this is where it is taught from by the believers of Jesus death being spiritual, in the since that He died spiritually. but to me this says nothing in its meaning of Jesus' spiritual death. this only Speaks of Gods viewpoint of Jesus' taking our place,,,, who knew no sin,,, does not any man have to know sin before he dies spiritually, Jesus never knew sin, that's why no one can Call Jesus anathema [accursed]

Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, [b]being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree[/b]

Deut 21:22 And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree:23 His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God;) that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.

e w kenyon was a terrible mess with his doctrine he was taught at emerson college by mary baker eddy, ralf trine , and waldo emerson. i do not agree with him either . he is where this spiritaul death of Jesus started then hagin and copeland followed him.

While Jesus died physically and was "made sin" on our behalf, Jesus did not die spiritually. Had he died spiritually, then His death would have no atoning value. It's as Peter said: "For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;" (1 Peter 3:18)

Had Christ died a spiritual death, then His physical death would have been justified. But because He died a physical death without a spiritual death, His death was unjustified. Therefore, God recognized Christ's death and sacrifice, and raised Him up from the dead. For as Peter says, even though Christ was put to death in the flesh, He was spiritually alive even though physically dead.

The contrast of Peter's affirmation here cannot be ignored: Christ died physically, though, alive spiritually. He was the just (spiritually alive and in right standing with God), dying for the unjust (those spiritually dead and in wrong relationship with God).

What do you define as spiritual death?

I gave a definition.
Do you not agree?
If not, what is it then?

logic , in the bible when it speaks of spiritually dead people and the outcome of such it is always refering to everlasting , eternal punishment unending eternal death. did not Jesus give His life through an eternal spirit. if spiritual death was a means of being justified. would not the scripture say, when Jesus was at the supper," take this is my spirit which is broken for you " would not Scripture be very clear on this as it is of His physical death and bleeding for us.