losing your salvation?

I believe that you cannot lose your salvation.Interested in hearing feedback.

Well, a belated welcome to the website, brother or sister. Can't tell with a name like that.

As for your question, may I ask, why you believe that salvation cannot be lost. Thanks.

I don't believe you can "lose" it, but I do think that you can choose to leave it.

Maybe salvation can't be lost-but Holy Scripture is perfectly clear:

Matt 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

2 Tim 2:12 If we suffer, [b]we[/b] shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us

Heb 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. 39But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

If we deny him, he also will deny us before the Father-whether you call that "loosing salvation" or "leaving salvation" the outcome is pretty clear that at that state Christ will deny that person before the Father. Also if any man draws back from faith, God's soul shall have NO pleasure in that man, which to me, is also quite clear that this individual would not receive his before expected end of salvation, but rather perdition as verse 39 speaks of.

If you want to go according to the Bible you cannot lose your salvation. Everyone is reading everything out of context who believe you can lose it, they think it all depends on you to either stay or leave. Let me tell you something, if it depended on us we would leave. But the holy spirit is what keeps us going and growing and convicting. It is not on what we do but what God is doing. If you decide to leave christ after becoming saved, i gues the only thing we could say is that they were never saved. See when you come to christ, Jesus made it clear that we must be fully surrendered in our heart to him, not lukewarm or partially, but fully devoted in their repentance and their wanting to serve christ. Now when the holy spirit comes after that, you our sealed by the holy spirit unto the day of redemption. It says do not grieve the holy spirit during that time. You have become a new creation and God will finish the good work he started in you, not you started in you. Being saved has nothing to do with our getting ourselves to the end because it is the holy spirit that helps us perservere to the end. Read about the seed that fell onto the thorns, the rocks, and the bad soil, then read about the one that fell onto good soil. That is an example of someone truly repenting and coming to saving faith and what does the parable say, he produces like a hundred fold and more. You look at what the disciple John says in first John when he is talking of people who were with them who left. His explanation is that they were never one of us from the beginning, they were decievers or lukewarm.

18We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

I wonder if there are any ex-Christians at the great white throne judgement?

David

Just to clarify...

What do you think are the circumstances of a person who truly believed in Christ...repented of his sins in tears...completely changed in word, actions and deeds...worked in ministry (evangelism)...prayed and studied the Word of God with daily passion and zeal for over 20 years...told others about his faith...but slowly yet surely fell into temptation via gross, unrepentent sin? This person actually died in his sins (drunk driving with a prostitute in his car).

What is the end of such a person?

Do you think that this person that this person was "never truly saved?" Do you think that this person "lost" his salvation? Do you think that this person is actually "saved?"

A better question is whether or not it is possible for a person who has truly repented -- and truly known and walked with God -- to ever fall back into willful sin. Will such a person be held accountable in Eternity for ultimately deciding to give in to temptation?

:-(

I havent come to a final belif on this, i see truths in both, but i think i see in scripture clear indications one can be saved at one point, but the eternal end of that person is lost forever.

concider these scriptures

Rev 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

Jesus explains that the candlesticks are the church, not a fake church but a real church, but unless they repented they would not be that in Gods eyes any more. It was not ant "great" sin by human eyes, but for God this was enough to cancel them as a church!

unless God makes "empty" threats?

i have many times looked at it and it is a sobering part of scripture.

also other parts, like in hebrews where the writer says and warns us to be like the unbeliving murmuring jews in the desert, so the same thing dont happend to us.

do we belive those verses ? do we understand them rightly?

Hi hmmmhmmm...

concider these scriptures

Rev 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

Jesus explains that the candlesticks are the church, not a fake church but a real church, but unless they repented they would not be that in Gods eyes any more. It was not ant "great" sin by human eyes, but for God this was enough to cancel them as a church!

unless God makes "empty" threats?

i have many times looked at it and it is a sobering part of scripture.

also other parts, like in hebrews where the writer says and warns us to be like the unbeliving murmuring jews in the desert, so the same thing dont happend to us.

do we belive those verses ? do we understand them rightly?

8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.

9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

a horrible fate for the lost

But this is for the redeemed;

1And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

2In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

3And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

4And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.

5And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

6And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.

7Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

Man! that is awesome!

David

Ive been thinking on this topic a little lately. A real quick synopsis of where im at with this. I think the question is the wrong question to ask. let me explain.

the better question is.... who is saved?
If you are saved you are going to heaven.
if not your going to hell.

lets be careful not to be dogmatic about this topic. i believe scripture teaches both, and its hard to reconcile the two just like sovereignty/free will. you can disagree with me on this because i know people have serious convictions with this topic.
anyway just wanted to share what i thought, and hopefully we will all be encouraged to know we are saved if we abide in Him, and hope we are rebuked if we are not abiding in Him.
Amen.

I will say this, but you need to listen clearly. For you to even come to christ it has to be the father's drawing you to him. So even our decision and us coming to Christ is still God, we would not and could not come to God without his drawing. We would continue on in our sin and never care about the things of God or ever repent. When we our truly saved we have the holy spirit, the holy spirit will keep us continuing in the faith until the end. It will not be us, but the holy spirit willing it to happen because we our children of the living God. We only perservere because of God. I'm not a calvinist but that is what the Bible teaches. If you our doubting your salvation, either you our not saved or satan is messing with you. remember the Bible says that the spirit bears witness that we our saved and that we our children of God. If you our unsure, then cry and pray to god about it. Repent of all your sins, repent of what we have done to God by our sins. Trust Jesus to save you of your sins. But remember you need to fully surrender your will and life over to Christ, not half hearted or lukewarm surrender. You need to surrender everything of you to Jesus, everything.

Sinning willfully would be to deny Christ and continue in your sins without a sacrifice or pardon for them. Their is no sacrifice anymore after Christ.Rejecting the holy spirit.

Well if you have read the scriptures in corinthians where the man that continued in sin who would not repent, was given over to satan for the destruction of the flesh. His rewards would be lost but his soul would be saved. That christian couple in acts who lied to the holy spirit after being saved, were dropped dead, did they lose their salvation, no. BUt they did the sin unto death, physical death. This is not a works salvation based on what we do, it was all done on calvary already, that is why Jesus said it is finished. It is based on what Jesus did, not what we do. So all of you who believe you can lose your salvation by doing certain sins, believes that you have apart of salvation and that the good works you do as a christian and abiding in christ by good works is the basis for our salvation. Thats not what the scripture says. Its by the work of Jesus Christ. If you continue in repeated sin the holy spirit will convict, will bring you down until you repent, give you over to satan, or even a sudden death. You lose rewards but not your salvation. You our sealed unto the day of redemption. Another thing, goats, dogs, and pigs in the bible is someone who is not saved in the first place. So in peter if the dog turns back to his own vomit, then what does that mean? It was not a sheep then a dog. But a dog and always a dog until it was revealed he was a dog the whole time. It talks in the gospel of john how nobody can pluck us out of the fathers hands, not even ourselves. Jesus said he would not lose any that the father had given him.

i agree creed 19, you either our a false convert or truly saved. I recommend listening to sermons by ray comfort, paul washer, paris reidhead. For any of you think you can lose your salvation.

I too have not come to a really firm conclusion on this. Have some views yes, but not completely firm up and may change.

Always wondered 'what the destruction of the flesh is when turned over to the devil'. Any takers? Thanks

I havent come to a final belif on this, i see truths in both, but i think i see in scripture clear indications one can be saved at one point, but the eternal end of that person is lost forever.

concider these scriptures

Rev 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

Jesus explains that the candlesticks are the church, not a fake church but a real church, but unless they repented they would not be that in Gods eyes any more. It was not ant "great" sin by human eyes, but for God this was enough to cancel them as a church!

unless God makes "empty" threats?

I do not believe the lampstand is symbolic of salvation. I believe it is representative of the local ‘institutional’ church at Ephesus, and it is being threatened with a disciplinary act of judgment. He does not say the flame will be extinguished, He says the stand will be removed.

A generation had passed in Ephesus since Paul was with them. The Ephesian Christians did not have their initial consuming zeal and fervent love relationship. After their original love relationship faded, the Ephesians continued to work as they had from the beginning. Their attitude changed from love to duty.

For Jesus to remove a church’s lampstand would mean the church would cease to be a church. Indeed, the Ephesian church did not continue as a body, and its members were dispersed, although I don't believe this means they were no longer Christians.

my 2 cents