23 minutes in Hell

Hi folks,

Today I listened to a testimony by Bill Weise called '23 minutes in Hell', it was certainly very stirring and convicting and was wondering if anybody here had come across this testimony before and what you made of it?
One question I have also that maybe someone here could shed some light on for me. Bill Weise describes in his testimony how he was tormented by four demons, I had always assumed that since Hell was created for the devil and his angels that the demons themselves were not the tormenters but rather the place of Hell itself torments both the men and demons. Does anybody here have any thoughts on this?

I have listened to it before, and i am very skeptic, not so much the demon part but since he gives some references to in my opinion false "teachers , prophets".

So id be very careful, hell is scary enough when Jesus speaks about it.

Limey153 wrote:
Hi folks,

Bill Weise describes in his testimony how he was tormented by four demons, I had always assumed that since Hell was created for the devil and his angels that the demons themselves were not the tormenters but rather the place of Hell itself torments both the men and demons. Does anybody here have any thoughts on this?

This is also what made me doubtful. Not sure whether it's real or not but I tend not to rely on it. Also, another thing that put doubt in my mind is the fact that this particular experience I feel is unnecessary. The bible and other existing methods I feel is sufficient enough. Really do not know whether its true and if he truly believes it, is it really from God but for my ownself I would not recommend it to anyone being to my mind pretty doubtful.

There have been many stories of after death or near death experiences (although in Bill Wiese's case, its not of this) and there is only 1 that I think most likely is true (cannot remember what's the person's name already but his story or at least the link was posted in sermonindex before. I however, cannot find it now). The others I just do not know and rather not put much thought about it. Usually there is at least 1 or more things that bother me (for example bring jewels for one if one so desire etc)

'Strange occurences' like this are not only limited to hell but also to other 'Christians' conversions'. Example visions of Jesus with ponytail etc when they were born again. So many strange things which I do not know what to believe. Even for the late Sundar Singh (who I and many Christians think is a real Christian, he kept seeing and conversing with the late Swedenborg in the spiritual world. If you google Swedenborg in wikipedia, you'll learn something about him. Many other strange occurences also such as Padre Pio (Catholic priest) with stigmatas, guardian angels, when died had not a single drop of blood in his body etc. Many others. St Francis with the stigmata (although I think in his case he is a real Christian based on the writings etc he wrote, his beliefs etc). In my belief there will be certain people that are real (although some of the things may be strange) while many will be false. Extremely difficult to distinguish.

Edit : of all the many stories/biographies that I read about conversions, after death, near death experience, supernatural things, I would say Padre Pio is the one that is the most disturbing because so many things seem wrong yet some of the things that he went through, I feel that maybe only God is able to do so and I really wonder if God would give the devil so much power.

do you have the link? I would sure like to hear the testimony

sincerely Magnus

Dear Brethren,

Please be patient and hear me out concerning this particular post and the comments delivered in response.

I have had my hard lessons from the Lord about being swift to hear and slow to speak reguarding any matter, and sometimes I might appear even paranoid when it comes to speaking too quickly,(either verbal or written), but I have been so made aware that I will be held accountable for every idle word spoken. It is all recorded permanantly.

I know it is easy to view this man's testimony as bizarre or fabricated, but his experience is utterly backed up by an incredible amount of scripture and his soberness and countenance speak as well. His purpose in delivering this message is obviously not for personal recognition or gain but simply to stress the reality and horror of hell itself. I can relate to the fact that none of us want to believe that it is as bad as described, or that God would allow one of His saints to view it.

This gentleman's first statement said that he, as Paul, did not know if this happened in the body or out of the body. I watched excerpts from his church visitation again simply to see if I had missed any subtilty in his manner that would suggest a desire for personal gain or recognition. Hasn't the Lord given us discernment? The motive here is the educating the saints concerning a place that is real and horrible and warning the backsliders and lost that they must make a choice.

When I was younger, I was allowed to see demons on a number of occasions and believe me they are hideous and mocking. I literally saw them but did not share it for years because I feared the response and that others would not believe me. I thought I had done something wrong and couldn't understand why the Lord allowed this to happen. I also have a dear sister in the Lord who prior to salvation, died briefly on the operating table. She viewed a lake of fire and was sinking towards it. She also looked up and saw the glory of God but couldn't look at Him because of His holiness. Out of the lake of fire came arrows with flames. She said she kept crying out that she couldn't die because she needed to repent.This happened at the age of 14. When she was later born again she found the scripture concerning the fiery darts of the wicked. Ephesians 6:4

She rejoiced when I told her what I'd seen and that I believed her. I have also had the opportunity to minister to some that have dabbled in witchcraft because they need to know that someone can accept some of the unpleasant experiences they have had. There is a purpose, and we do truly need to come to a place where we do not justify the wicked and condemn the godly.

I know that every statement that I make will be reviewed at the judgment seat. What a sobering thought in itself.

There are people that have had legitimate experiences and for the most part they are humble average people who are not marketing themselves. I, on the other hand, am very leery of flashy, flamboyent speakers who have no burden for the lost and enjoy the attention they are receiving. You will know them by their fruit.

I have rejected one other testimony because this person has suggested that Jesus promised them a new house, recognition, a new red car etc. They push the rapture and all mention of Jesus' appearance are almost sensual in nature.

We must truly pray and seek the Lord as each situation is presented. There will be many lying signs and wonders but we must also remember that the people that do know their God will strong and do exploits. We know also that there will be two annointed ones that will do works in the name of the Lord. They will be holy as He is holy.

I realize that there have been and will be many that are making us nervous when anyone has a vision or dream, but God will faithfully reveal their authenticity or falseness.

And yes, I have seen some of these saints on the shows of many whom I absolutely do not support, and you can tell they are just another guest that will bring viewers. These people must hear the truth as well so we will all be without excuse.

Please forgive my longwinded comment. When we accuse someone of lying, it is a serious statement.

If we reject all supernatural events as satanic, then will we recognise the real move of God when it occurs. God forbid.

Sincerely, Kathleen

I have been aware of this message for about a year now. I think it is wise to take it with a grain of salt, and remember what Jesus said about the place.

Mat 25:30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

We don't need an outside source to teach us that hell is a place to be avoided, Jesus explained it pretty well. We should focus on Him, and not get caught up in someones experience.

Blessings Greg :-(

As one who has seen supernatural/strange things, I'm always testing. Have researched from history long ago to the present both supernatural and normal(both Christians, those that really thought/think that they are and some may be, non Christians, those that left Christianity etc). While there are likely to be supernatural things from God and some from the devil (which God allows to occur for God and our own benefit), many are not from God. Some are pretty easy to reject while others are really very gray.

We do need to be aware that for some people (not few at all), these people may really believe they saw something from God etc but that does not necessarily mean that its from God. Thus, I would caution that looking at how sincere the person is, is far from a good gauge that its really from God. I would also say please be careful that just because we have Christian friends that have similar experiences, doesn't necessarily make it its from God as similar experiences have occurred for people who I feel may not really be Christians although they think they are or just because there are similarities between what we experience with scriptures. And vice versa. Please be careful and test and test. There are some very gray areas here which we most likely will not be able to discern. Not all the time we are able to discern although we would like to. Just a word of caution to those that are interested in these type of things because there are many out there that I feel have been misled and hate to see others that might be.

19"There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21and longing to eat what fell from the rich man's table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.
22"The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'

25"But Abraham replied, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.'

27"He answered, 'Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house, 28for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.'

29"Abraham replied, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.'

30" 'No, father Abraham,' he said, 'but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.'

31"He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.' "
Luke 16:19-31

Ok Ive heard and seen it. http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Bill+Weise+&emb=0&aq=f#

Well, well, well, we have to take his testimony with a big portion of salt.. We have to stick to the truth concerning his account; i.e. that which corresponds with Scripture...

This subject matter in Scripture is however - satisfactory vauge or rather clearly unclear...

We should not try to add more to Scripture than the warnings that allready exists in it...

I do not think that Mr. Weiser is a fraud; on the contrary he probably dreamt it or had a tactile vision...

Sincerely Magnus

Hello...

I've never read this book. I did purchase and read [i]A Divine Revelation of Hell[/i] by Mary Baxter. My opinion? I wasted my time and $13.95 on what I believe is someone's false testimony.

Is this book about someone who claims to have visited Hell for 23 minutes?

I am amazed at the amount of books from people who claim to have visited Heaven and Hell! Even more amazing that their wild claims is the fact that their stories bear little resemblance to one another! Jesse Duplantis' story of visiting "Heaven" is quite different from Richard Eby's account. Either most of them are incorrect...or they are all incorrect.

There is a great book out by one of my former undergraduate professors. It is entitled [i]Heaven Can't Wait[/i] by Dr. William Alnor. In his book, he details many of the claims and discrepancies from men like Benny Hinn, Paul and Jan Crouch, Jesse Duplantis and others who claim to have had supernatural visits to (or visions of) the afterlife. He states that most of these are a stark contrast to what Paul said was "not lawful for a man to utter" (II Corinthians 12:2-4). It is a very good read and it details (with citations) many of the wild claims while also contrasting them from other such claims...and, of course, with what the Scriptures say about such things.

Just something to think about...

:-(

Thanks for the replies folks. As I said I watched this testimony online and there were a couple of things that stood out to me. One thing that did kinda concern me that I did not mention was a couple of the people that he endorses and it was interesting to see by the comments here that I am not the only one to be wary of this. Having said all this I certainly want to be very careful in what I say lest I should be the one in error and therefore have to answer for it but I shall definately view this testimony with some caution. Certainly one good thing out of all this is that it has whetted my appetite to study more of what the Bible says of Hell, may God forgive me for not treating this matter with the attention it deserves. May indeed we all be conscious of eternity!