Gods Judgement on President Bush

I posted this piece below on my website on Friday. It is very important that Christians see the larger context to this "crisis," and extract themsleves from partisan politics. It is time for us to lead and not fall in lock-step with these little men. If we follow them, we will follow them right into a ditch.........

In Sept 2005 I wrote this prophecy the Lord gave me about President Bush. The point of the word was that President Bush had dragged Christians into the mire of politics for personal gain. People did not like it, it was not a popular word. Not exactly the way to make friends and influence people, but the Lord gave me the word………

"Finally in Isa 22 Shebna is judged. Who is Shebna? He is the ruler of the countries resources, the man appointed by the king to run the country. He is a man of pride, given to pomp and a lover of his position. The honor and the legacy so dearly sought by Shebna slipped through his fingers like fine sand, all his attempts to hold on to it failed. He is also described as “The Nail,” in Isa 22:25. This nail represents his position. It is driven into the wall and all manner of things are placed on the nail. And so the Lord would say………………

The nail is the President, who thinks he is in a sure place. This is a warning to the Church. All who hang their hopes on this nail will fall when the nail falls.You flatterers burdened the nail, you burdened down the nail with your hopes and your dreams and your expectations that all belonged before my throne so I will bring down the nail and all that hangs on it. Leprosy for Shebna , he will be “tossed like a ball,” from the Valley of Vision because of pride and the contempt of the people. His legacy will be one of shame. "

I just want to re-iterate what the Lord said to the Church. I see the church , incredibly, hanging on to politics for dear life, whether it is with Sarah Palin or whoever. Do you want to put your trust and security in your Government? Republicans? Democrats? Institutions? I wrote down this word the Lord gave me in September of 2006 and sent it out………………

"So the judgment that is coming upon us is the destruction of our institutions and national leadership. They will be exposed, as Lamentations describes, once elegant and well dressed leaders are now “blacker than soot with their skin shriveled.” The false prophets will wander blind. Our standing in the community will be all but lost. Now, it is important to draw a distinction here. If one stands for the truth and is hated by the world, then this is to be expected and God is well pleased. If we lose our standing in the world because of our sin, then God is not pleased because we do violence to the Kingdom of God."

Today, most of the financial institutions are swept away. In an astounding move that caps an unprecedented few months, the Government has just authorized the single biggest re-distribution of wealth this country has ever seen. In a fell swoop the size of the Government has increased beyond our imagination. The tax payer will now have his money taken from him to cover the losses of Wall Street. This is what happens in socialist countries. Now why did this happen? There are countless reasons and enough blame to go around, but the abiding reason is judgment on President Bush , Shebna, and his followers. How sad that it was Christians who ushered this in. They ushered it in and brought this upon the man and the country by putting their trust in Politics, in Washington, in their bankbooks.

The Lord has just shown us that He can sweep that all away in a heartbeat. The people that have taught that you are entitled to be wealthy, by the mere fact that you are a Christian, will have some hard days ahead of them. In fact, the whole sickness of the entitlement “mindset,” is being dealt with. God is not finished with this nation, yet, He will not always strive with it. When God chastens, we can humble ourselves under His mighty hand and we will be ushered back into His presence. If we become stiff-necked and insist that our security lies in our politicians and our pocketbooks, then God will judge our politicians and our pocketbooks.

When I saw President Bush stand there and speak yesterday and this morning, I have never seen such a humiliated person. To have to announce policy’s in front of the whole world, which diametrically oppose everything he stands for, is the severest of judgments. Literally having to eat your words. We should fear the judgments of the Lord, He is to be feared.

Shebna had to be removed, so that Eliakim could be set up. Shebna represents the man of flesh. He thinks he is secure, he thinks he is prominent, he thinks he is glorious, he is puffed up by pride. Eliakim represents Jesus. When the American Christians step away from the flesh and raise up the name of Jesus, they will be restored. And what will be restored? The true treasures of heaven. When all around are in a blind panic, the man of God will be at peace. When all wail with despair because they have lost everything, the man of God will know that the day he accepted Jesus He gained everything. When all wonder where their next meal will come from, the man of God knows ……………………….

24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
25 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?
26 Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?
27 Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?
28 And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:
29 And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.
30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?
31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?
32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.
33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

Unfortunately I dont put much stock in these kinds of prophecies. Not defending Bush by any means... I just think this financial crisis is simply God fulfilling His own agenda. There is talk all around the world right now about getting the world on one currency.

Bush is just a pawn in God's plan.

Krispy

Hi Krispy

Its not about putting stock in anything, and in these days you are wise not to put much stock in anyone who claims that the Lord speaks to them. The sad thing is, and I am not saying this is you, for I do not know you, is that people who do not put a lot of stock "in these things," tend to put a lot of stock in what men of the world say, politics. Which is the whole point of the post..............brother Frank

Oh I agree with you on that one, Frank.

Krispy

"IN GOD WE TRUST" Amen. This is the point of the post. It will require repentence from the Body of Christ who put their trust in Governement and who thought that this particular President was going to solve all of their problems. Christian leaders were also reponsible for this as they led their people down this path. My main concern is with the Body of Christ, not so much the world. I would expect to see the "world," panic if they were(and are still possibly) facing the loss of thie pocketbooks. What I would expect from the Body of Christ is a people at peace in their Lord, a people who know in their hearts that all of their secutity lies in the Lord. That is why the Lord told us to consider the Lillies of the field and told us not to be anxious for the clothes on our back and the food on our table...........Frank

Hi Chris

A couple of points. I do claim that the Lord gave me this, I included a couple of words the Lord gave me a few years ago. If you do not accpet that the Lord gave me those words, or that God does not speak to His people, there is not much I could or would want to do about that. If the Lord gives me a word of knowledge, it is His word not mine. I learned a long time ago not defend what is not mine. As for your bank still operating, there is a reason for that Chris. My wife and I are both in the banking world, and anyone else on the forum, feel free to give Chris some advice. The reason that your bank is still operating is because the Government stepped in on Thursday night and Friday morning. The banks had ceased to lend to each other and the promise of a trillion $$$ injection is what "saved the day." The ramifications of what they did and are now trying to establish this week are massive and the system that you had last week now no longer exists. But I believe that is a digression. The point of the thread is that it is vital that Christians turn to God and trust in Him alone. Perhaps we disagree on whether God speaks to His people, thats fine I am more than willing to accept that. Its very important that just because of the Todd Bentleys of the world that we do not throw out the baby with the bathwater. I have been around this forum long enough for people to know me. In all of my posts, there have only been a very few where I have shared a "word of knowledge."

Last point, I think it is high time that we wake up. The tone of your reply Chris was that everything is fine and this is just a blip in the road and that really its not connected to anything in the heavenlies. Perhaps many share your view, I would respectfully disagree....your brother in Christ...........Frank

I really fear that we seem to have a bad sense of cause and effect. We tend to think that Hurricane Katrina was God's judgment on sinful acts that occur in New Orleans -- even though most of the people who passed away were the poor, crippled and elderly who were far removed from the spirit of downtown Mardi Gras. We fail to consider that the Hurricane might have just been a bad scenario that has been warned for nearly 50 years because of New Orleans' location (below sea level at the base of the Mississippi delta). We do the same nearly every time a bank fails, people die, or an earthquake occurs. For every natural disaster that takes place in a "sinful" area, there are many more that hit other more "innocent" places. Yet we focus on the former because they fit our own personal ideas regarding God's judgment.

I agree... what was Hurricane Ike? God's judgement on Galveston? Why doesnt God send a Hurricane up to Utah and wipe out the polygamist?

Krispy

Hi Chris

The words that the Lord gave me, He gave me in 2004 and 2005. I wrote them down and sent them out. I even posted one of them on this site a couple of years ago. As for not meaning to offend, I am not offended brother, not sure, given the tone of your initial reply, if you are not being a tad disingenuous. If I am wrong I apologise. On my own site, I followed up the post by a piece called Create in me a Clean heart which I also posted on here

http://scottishwarriors.wordpress.com/2008/09/20/create-in-me-a-clean-heart/

Its the story of David and the census and how the Lord judged David and his countrymen. The actual Scriptural quotes from the "word," I quoted was from Lamentations and from Isa 22. dealing with national judgement. When I spoke against President Bush four and five years ago, based on what the Lord had given me, it was a very un-popular message. I actually lost some friends over it. You see, at that time the President was highly popular, so the Lord's word that He gave me was not reactionary. I also wrote a piece called "Lions led by Donkeys," again, posted on here, when every Christian leader in the country was urging people to go out and vote. The Christians of this country put their faith in a man, and by the Christian vote he was put back in office. When God judges a country and a people He shakes them to the core.

Chris, perhaps you can share what the Lord gave you in the past? Brother, you wrote " But to claim without doubt that this is the effect of God’s judgment on the President? " Brother, I made no such claim, these are words added by you. I simply stated what the Lord shared with me, in shocking clarity :) Now you can accept it or reject it, it will matter not to God.

Let me ask you this brother, when you read my piece did you go and study who Shebna was and what happened to him? Again, you can find it in Isa 22. ...........brother Frank

I think you said it all brother....God bless you.....brother Frank

Hi Chris...I only speak for God when I am speaking His word or if He gives me a word. I think that some would have me deny that God speaks to me and to His people. Bottom line is, if anyone thinks what I said was not from God, let Him say that boldy, not dither around the edges. I can only tell you that I know that small still voice and He has spoken to me often in my 18 years of Christianity. He gave me a word 4 years ago, I spoke it, I wrote it, I sent it, that is where my responsibiltiy lies and ends. Now that it has come to pass. I do not claim to be a prophet, in fact, I will tell you right now, I am not a prophet. What I will not deny is that God speaks to me. And when He does, like He does to almost every Christian I know, people can either accept it or reject it, it wont change the truth. If a Christian has a word and it does not come to pass, as according to Deuteronomy, that person can be ignored. Sometimes this forum can seem like a higher critics forum. God is a supernatural God and He is still in the business of talking to His people.

Yet, to focus on me is a complete digression of this post. What brother Robert shared is what we should be discussing. I think the time has come for brothers around the world to put 1Cor 13:10 to one side and simply stand side by side as God moves to shake everything that can be shaken. ...........brother Frank

Hello brothers. I appreciate these forums. They show us alot about ourselves and our strenghts and weakness'. James said let not many of you be masters for we all err in word. I'm all for being discerning etc. However as we are sharpening one another lets become sharper at longsuffering, patience, kindness etc. towards one another. krispy you started the responses with a flippint,(in my opinion,which could be wrong) "I don't put much stock in these"...etc. You initialy weren't addressing the poster but everyone else. Krispy you carry alot of weight on this sight and you help keep things moving. I appreciate that.However as you and others test all things and hold fast to that which is good please sharpen your charity and giving more credit to fellow christians. Part of revival on personal level and on this sight I think would be in a greater love for each other even if we think someone is a little off. Forgive my brevity and weakness of words. Lord bless, John

Hi Chris....please forgive me if I think you are straining out a gnat and swallowing a camel. I made that statement in regard to when God speaks, despite the reactions of the hearer, it still comes to pass. When Jeremiah told the residents of Israel what was to befall them, despite their reactions, it still befell them. That was my point. I did not claim to speaking for God when I spoke those words. Perhaps if it had been looked at charitibly, and not looking for a technicality, it might have been seen. Can I say, and I say that this with love, I am amazed that you pick the sentence I did not claim I was speaking for God, and you ignored the "words," I did claim that God gave me.

I think brother Robert is right. The many fires have broken out around Rome and many Christians are breaking our their fiddles. Chris, if you belive the word, heed it, if you do not, reject it. I would council you to heed brother Roberts words too. The church is sleeping, and they do not want to be wakened up. I would just repeat the words of the Rev Ian Paisley at the start of the Revival Hymn....Waken up you sleepy Christians.