my opinion on christians voting

You know i feel that they can if they want too. I heard on the radio today that man was saying that uss christians will be judged by God if we do not vote because we have the opportunity to vote and bring the right person into the white house who will run this world the right way. If we don't do that we our doing a disservice to god.
You know what I am sick and tired of hearing from people that i should vote is important. We have 2 professed Christians who do not like to say the name of christ out loud and who do not profess that he is their Lord. Everything they do seems to be on their own accord and not the Lords. i don't care what anyone says, if you ran this world the way god wanted you to, it would change for the better. The problem with humanity is that nobody can have a change of heart from their wicked ways until Christ lives in them. These presidents need to lead people to christ, even though they won't get voted, but who cares . If your a christian your most important thing should be to bring people to the knowledge of jesus Christ, come on why would people get offended the majority of the united states is a christian nation, bringing up christ shouldn't offend them, but guess what it does. You can probably drop that percentage of true christians to less than 20 percent or even less then 10 or more. We our in a world of professing christians who hate the things of God and don't even know the Lord jesus. I haven't seen anything from these canidadates that they our true christians. If you don't put my Lord first and want him to be put to the side, then I am not going to vote. I am not voting for people who our not bringing us to a real change. They need to change whats on t.v and whats in the theatres, they need to stop the selling of alcohol the way it is sold for people to get as much as they want of it, they need to stop selling cigarettes and sending millions of americans to die soon, they need to stop all this wickedness and lies here, they don't say nothing about this, the stiuff that is making our children more wicked by the day. Their is corruption in this country and until i see a true change, i will not even care who is president. I don't need to care and i don't need to respect people who go to war either. I do not need to feel like i owe people for our freedom because they defend our country. The lord has brought this all about not them, he has blessed us from day one and now they our tring to run this without God. I don't think Jesus to go to war, you might all disagree, but i remember the word of the Lord, those who live by the sword shall die by the sword. You know what you might say we have to defend our nation but if we all would turn to the Lord and live righteous you wouldn't have to worry because the lord would protect us.
I will not vote because i do not see nothing in these 2 where God is being glorified and i do not see him being the focus when he comes in either.

This is a must listen, and make sure you listen to the testimony after the message. Truly amazing.

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thanks brother

So you went into service so we could vote or go to war i am confused. I don't think any of the canidates our going to be doing Gods work and i think they will be decieving. I really would rather not vote and spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ and worry about the souls of the world instead of the worldly ungodly place that goes on here. Do you think they do this for the Glory of God, satan is in control of all of that. I don't want to vote and thats the freedom that God has given me from the day i was born. Nothing against what you did, but all of this was God given, don't tell me that i have to give you credit or the armed forces. I appreciate what they have done but i will not be forced to be all american and have to vote ans stand up for the usa when this country does not stand for christ anymore. When the presidents talk about Jesus maybe i will vote.

Amen Krispy.
I think one forfeits one's right to complain about the deeds and misdeeds of the future president when they forfeit the opportunity to vote. If we choose not to vote than I suggest we likewise keep our mouths tightly sealed when we disagree. Rulers who establish righteous laws (even non-christian ones) are praised in scripture and we are told that under their leadership the righteous rejoice.

PROVERBS 29:2
When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.

I think when we find "earthly" things, such as voting, to be to "unspiritual" for us to waste our time on, that it is evidence we are trying TOO hard to be spiritual. This kind of lifestyle, in fact, turns out to be woefully unspiritual itself. Just my thoughts!

Now I'm not here to tell you who to vote for (cough...McCain...cough...Palin...cough) - Ahem, excuse me. I would say, however, that if you are a believer I don't think voting should be an option. Let's not allow the homosexuals, the abortionists, the atheists and secular humanists shape our society - as I guarantee very few of them will be at home studying their propaganda on voting day. Nay, my friends, they will be at the polls! Yes we shape things through prayer, but don't forget that although Moses intercessory posture was the key to Joshua's victory over the Amalekites, their had to be a Joshua and an army in place for the intercession to do any good. Sure an engine is good, but outside of a car it's not going to get you anywhere. We need Moses, Aaron and Hur, but we also need Joshua and his army on voting day.

Just my thoughts . . .

God bless!
Jeff

I know that political discussions are usually forbidden here at SermonIndex (for good reason). This discussion is ongoing -- and has been rehashed for years. It might be best ascertained by simply looking at the old threads, and considering their outcome.

However, I will interject this: If you complain about those who decide to vote (which is simply a "voiced" opinion about the direction of this nation), then please refrain from EVER complaining once the election is over. In my mind, a person's right to complain is lost by the fact that he did nothing to prevent such things. If people don't vote to stop abortion, then why should I listen to them complain about abortions? If people don't vote to stop homosexual activists who want to corrupt the concept of "holy matrimony," then why should I listen to them complain about gay marriage?

My dad served in the military -- and made a career of it. He is an educated man and could have worked anywhere. Yet he chose to remain in the military for over 23 years. He didn't do this because of the pay, or because he was "bloodthirsty," or because he wanted to "fight," or because he believed in every aspect of U.S. policy. He did it because he wanted to maintain the freedom that this nation provides.

Anyway, I do believe in voting. It is simply a voice that actually can help decide the direction of the policies of this nation.

And by the way, there is someone running as a Vice Prez who does happen to be a Spirit filled believer.

There is, however, one huge problem: this "Spirit filled believer" is disobeying God's command in Scripture that women submit to their husbands and take care of their children. As lively, godly, and talented as she may be, her duty right now is to raise her 5 kids who so desperately need her, but she is neglecting to do this.

(Btw, I would recommend the following article by Voddie Baucham:
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Believers are faced with two bad choices, they're stuck between a rock and a hard place: do I choose the democrat and contribute to the wickedness in this nation (abortion, homosexuality, etc) or do I go for the republican and further contribute to the liberalization of christendom and the complete ruin of the family (which as history has proven will do far [i]greater[/i] damage than any liberal can do)?

If we want to be fair and understanding we must take this very important factor into consideration. This is not an easy choice for Christians, so I can see how not voting would be a very reasonable alterntative for some.

If you choose not to vote thats your decision, but when the doors shut so that you can not spread the gospel... dont look at me.

I'm afraid it's too late for that. Perhaps like Ravenhill said, the only place we'll have revival is in concentration camps!

I've heard the same talk concerning God judging or blessing those believers that do or don't vote, ect. Is there biblical support for those claims? I know that there is general "blessings" that may come with a more conservative candidate, but is there biblical support for a personal blessing on those that vote? We may want to remember that those believers that choose to vote are (or shouldn't be) not putting all their trust in a fallen political system, we trust God first and foremost, and believe that Jesus Christ is the only transforming power in a society-through the church. With that being said, I don't think though that trying to stop murder through voting is wrong. Would you?

I was upset hearing this man on the radio telling us that we will be being judged by God for not voting. Maybe i think that neither our what i would want out of president so i don't want to vote because i don't see them making a difference. Many of the moral issues by presidents our usually left out. For me my concern is like on why is alcohol allowed to be sold the way it is. People can walk into jewel and buy as much as they want. You can go into a bar and get whatever you want. They sell cigarattes and tobacco even though it kills people every year and that it causes cancer. Look at the entertainment they have on t.v, Sex and the City, MTV, even sports can become to rule this world at times, look at the music today, video games, whos handling the money in this world. Decietful people that is who. The world needs to change morally before it changes economically. The only way to morally change if peoples hearts our changed. The only way for your heart to be changed is if people have christ. He is the one who changes our hearts. Mcccain and Obama need to focus on more than just homosexuality and abortion but what about all of this terrible things our kids our getting filled with on t.v and in school or the radio. Things our not going to get better because their always focusing on other things and leaving out human moral problems. I do like the fact that sarah palin could help things out their but i don't see happening even if mccain is chosen.

Well, I hear people frequently say they will choose the lesser of two evils. The problem with that is that it is still a vote for evil them. There is a third party -- the constitutional party with Chuck Baldwin whose platform is biblical and cares for national sovereignty.

Krispy,

Hi =0) I was just wondering where you get your information about Palin. I don't know a whole lot about her but I have seen you post about her before and am just wondering if you could point me to some of the sources you have. I have never voted before and once I became a Christian my understanding was that women should not vote so I haven't. It was never a personal conviction so this year I have really thought hard about whether or not I can go ahead and vote. I want to spend some time in prayer about it too but if I do decided to vote, I want to know why I am voting for the side I am voting for so any info you have I would really appreciate. I have really struggled with the whole "lesser of two evils" thing and I just keep going back and forth in my head about it... anyway, maybe you can point me in the right direction...thanks!

Dawn

2 Tim 2:4 No soldier in active service entangles himself in the affairs of every day life, so that he may please the one who enlisted him as a soldier.

One of the constant reminders that is applicable to these things here and to my own mind, this verse, the key word - [i]entangle[/i].

[b]Entangle
ENTAN'GLE, v.t.[/b] [from tangle.] To twist or interweave in such a manner as not to be easily separated; to make confused or disordered; as, thread, yarn or ropes may be entangled; to entangle the hair.

1. To involve in any thing complicated, and from which it is difficult to extricate one's self; as, to entangle the feet in a net, or in briers.

2. To lose in numerous or complicated involutions, as in a labyrinth.

3. To involve in difficulties; to perplex; to embarrass; as, to entangle a nation in alliances.

4. To puzzle; to bewilder; as, to entangle the understanding.

5. To insnare by captious questions; to catch; to perplex; to involve in contradictions.

The Pharisees took counsel how they might entangle him in his talk. Mat 22.

6. To perplex or distract, as with cares.

No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life. 2 Tim 2.

7. To multiply intricacies and difficulties.

I would remind us of the tightrope we walk in these disucssions;

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At some point we will have to apply the same principle, dervied from the greater context as;

Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Each and every election, I find one of my friends and/or family members to vote for.

This year, on the off chance that 20,000 people vote for him, I am voting for my father-in-law for county coroner (no offense brother P. West). Seriously, pick someone you know for a position instead of jusy voting for a party.

My opinion at least.

Did not read that part about no politics. I usually do not talk about them, but felt compelled to. Sorry.