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ADULTERY - Repent, or You Will Never Be Forgiven

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bibleschool Oct 1, 2008

Adultery is a sin which leads to hell. It is my duty as a minister to warn you, so that your blood will not be on my hands.

1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

Hebrews 13:4 Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.

SHALL NOT INHERIT the kingdom of God - GOD WILL JUDGE

What does that mean? If you do not inherit the kingdom of God, does it mean you will be in a state of limbo? No, there are only two places to go. Either in the Kingdom of God, or in the caverns of hell. GOD WILL JUDGE - Anyone who comes under the judgment of God is sent to hell, because ALL HAVE SINNED. So - you need mercy, not judgment. And you won’t get mercy if you are an adulterer. Mercy and Judgment are opposites. If you have one, you cannot have the other.

Now WHAT is Marriage, so that such a breakdown causes a person to be sent to hell? Is it in the power of a priest or a pastor to declare "Man and Wife", therefore determine whether one is sent to hell or heaven? No. Or can a Government Officer in the case of Civil Marriage be vested with such eternal powers? Never.

Marriage is a PHYSICAL ACT of taking the VIRGINITY of a woman, then she becomes your wife. How many of you are “married” by a priest (or in the Registry Office) to a woman who is not a virgin? Then your “marriage” is null and void. It has got nothing to do with being Born Again, or being a new creation. A woman is still your wife, irrespective of the new birth. TO PROVE THIS look at

1 Corinthians 7:12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.

13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.

14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.

15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

16 For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife?

So we see that a person is still married, even if he then becomes a new believer! He is still married if he is an “Unbeliever”! You are still married to the woman you took virginity from, even if “you were not saved” at the time.

MERCY AVAILABLE ONLY ON REPENTANCE

In the text we see “ADULTERERS, GOD WILL JUDGE” we are to understand it means a PERSISTENT Adulterer. Many have committed adultery, but no longer. These can have mercy. The Judgment of God only extends to those who persist in it, and do not give it up.

sermonindex Oct 1, 2008

You are still married to the woman you took virginity from, even if “you were not saved” at the time.

The last sentence of your post was correct in which you said: "[i]The Judgment of God only extends to those who persist in it, and do not give it up.[/i]"

However, I have a problem with the quote at the top of my post. First of all, you're suggesting that if all that happened... and then someone becomes born again, they are still bound by that sin? No. One can not be born again unless they have repented of their sins, it's part and parcel. There need not be some seperate cleansing of this sin alone.

And secondly, you're making a real stretch when you say marriage is the taking of the womans virginity. If that were the case then Noah was married to his daughters.

Taking the virginity of a woman (or man) outside of marriage is called [b]fornication[/b], not adultry. Thats why scripture makes a distinction.

Bibleschool... you need to learn a little more. :-) The scriptures you presented as "proof" do not proove your points. Those scriptures are about divorce and remarriage, and have nothing to do with premarital sex.

Anyone who persists in either sin will not inherit the Kingdom of God. But I can not allow you to handle scripture as loosely as you did here. Not trying to offend, just trying to reprove.

Marriage is a PHYSICAL ACT of taking the VIRGINITY of a woman, then she becomes your wife. How many of you are “married” by a priest (or in the Registry Office) to a woman who is not a virgin? Then your “marriage” is null and void.

Really?? Then how do you explain God telling Hosea: "[i]Go, take unto thee a wife of whoredoms[/i]" In God's eyes Hosea was married to a woman who was not a virgin... and in fact was a prostitute, and an unrepentent one at that. But God commanded him to [b]marry[/b] her.

Krispy

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Miccah Oct 1, 2008

This is a man-made religiousity, made up by man to help combat fornication, nothing more.

This smells of Catholicism all over it.

sermonindex Oct 1, 2008


This issue is spoken of in this sermon:

[b]Watershed of the Evangelical World by Francis Schaefer[/b]
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/singlefile.php?lid=17300&commentView=itemComments

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ginnyrose Oct 1, 2008

Krispy wrote:

If that were the case then Noah was married to his daughters.

Mind explaining this? I never heard this concept before.

Thanks!
ginnyrose

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bible1985 Oct 1, 2008

I think it is possible for a born again believer to commit adultery and i'm sure everyone has done it in their heart already. But i don't know any born again believer who would not repent of it sooner or later unless they didn't have the holy spirit. Your assuming that someone would continue in it. Why does hell and heaven depend on our actions over what christ has done and us submitting to that truth completely. Jesus's death was not for part of our sins but for all of them. But the truth is that a born again believer will repent even if it takes a mighty hand of God to do so. Even let satan torture the person physically until they repent. A righteous man call fall 7 times and will get back up every time. A wicked person will continue in it. Don't underestimate the power of the conviction of the holy spirit and the chastizing of our lord, he will bring his child back somehow, if not he will bring him home. Adultery is a terrible offense and lusting is too. But our Lord will finish the good work he began in you, this is not the old testament where the the holy spirit didn't abide in the humans, and they fell away off into their own persistent will. But now Gods law shall be written in their hearts through his son Jesus Christ and he will make them obedient to him through his spirit.

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dohzman Oct 1, 2008

I think Krispy was talking about Lots daughters possibly?(incest?)And made a typo error???????

sermonindex Oct 2, 2008

My bad... how embarrassing! Oh boy! lol...

Hey, listen, when I teach I gaff all the time. My wife is right there afterwards to point them all out for me!!

My face is red.

Somehow I think I got mixed up in my mind about Noah getting drunk and his son seeing his "nakedness", and the story about Lott.

Sorry folks!

Krispy

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bible1985 Oct 3, 2008

no problem, we love you still.

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bibleschool Oct 3, 2008

Marriage is a PHYSICAL ACT of taking the VIRGINITY of a woman, then she becomes your wife. This is what is meant by “God making the two into one flesh” (Matthew 19:5). It is NOT by taking a mere ”vow”, it is by a PHYSICAL ACT. How many of you are “married” by a priest (or in the Registry Office) by taking a vow, to a woman who is not a virgin? Then your “marriage” is null and void. Four points to note:

1. VIRGINITY respects a Woman, not a man. We never hear of the Virgin Joseph. Only the Virgin Mary.

2. Marriage is FOUNDED ON VIRGINITY. Several Scriptures IN THE KING JAMES BIBLE prove this, both in the Old Testament (Exodus 22:16 and Deuteronomy 22:28-29), and the New Testament (1 Corinthians Chapter 7, read verses 28, 34 and 36).

3. Divorce is tantamount to Adultery. Jesus Christ himself teaches this (Matt. 5:32 - Matt. 19:3-9 - Luke. 16:18 - Mark. 10:2-12)

4. It has got nothing to do with being Born Again, or being a new creation. A woman is still your wife, irrespective of the new birth.

etc.. etc...

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rowdy2 Oct 3, 2008

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I have only been married to one woman but she was married before she and I were. She has a son that she and I raised from the age of two. I have previously referred to him on this forum as my forty eight year old son. In some of the more base religions my wife and I were not forgiven at the time we were saved even though they claim all the nasty vile things they did were all forgiven. Go figure!

Eddie

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ginnyrose Oct 3, 2008

My bad... how embarrassing! Oh boy! lol...
Hey, listen, when I teach I gaff all the time. My wife is right there afterwards to point them all out for me!!

My face is red.

Somehow I think I got mixed up in my mind about Noah getting drunk and his son seeing his "nakedness", and the story about Lott.


Krispy, we all make mistakes....but you did have me scratch my memory of trying to figure out what you were saying! At least your post was not three pages long. :-)

God bless and take care!

ginnyrose

sermonindex Oct 3, 2008

Bibleschool... on some points you're correct, but you overall assertion is flat wrong.

Did God consider Hosea married to Gomer or not? The correct answer is: He did recognize it as marriage. She was in no way even close to being a virgin, and was unfaithful even in marriage. Yet she was still his wife in God's eyes.

Of course the story about Hosea has a much deeper meaning, and is a prophetic analogy of God's relationship to unfaithful Israel... but we can certainly learn from the practical sense of the book too.

Now, if what you're attempting to say were true then God completely contradicted Himself by [b]commanding[/b] Hosea to marry a wife of "whoredoms".

Many of us here were not saved until well after we were married, myself and my beautiful wife included. Neither of us were ever married before, but neither of us were virgins when we met either. At the point of our salvation (she was saved awhile before I was) our past was forgiven. Period. End of story. Nothing before that matters anymore.

You are only partly correct when you say that "becoming one flesh" is a physical act. You're leaving out completely that it is [b]mainly[/b] a spiritual act, a spiritual joining together. That is why scripture calls it a [b]"mystery"[/b].

The physical act isnt any mystery. So why would scripture call it one?

You're laying down a law on people that doesnt exist anywhere in scripture. Thats would make you a legalist.

Now listen, we're probably more together than not on the divorce issue. Scripture makes it quite clear about divorce and remarriage. And certainly there are a lot of people in the church today who remarried outside of the guidelines of scripture. We wont have any argument on that point.

But I'm also not one of those who say "you must leave your current wife and children and live in excile" as some have put forth on that forum before. No, what they need to do is repent for their past mistakes before God... and move on, recognizing that because of their past they are scripturally ineligible to hold certain positions within the church... such as pastor.

But I dont promote tearing apart families. I dont see God in that at all. What the devil meant for bad, God can turn around for good. And He forgives.

If you wish to live under the laws your making up, be my guest. I'm going to live according to scripture.

Krispy

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bibleschool Oct 3, 2008

The errors I perceive.

1. Pre-marital sex is a sin, where "pre-marital" means "before making a vow" by way of church wedding, priest blessing, or signatures on a paper.

2. That "fornication" means the above - it rather means, having sex with a non-virgin. Technically, Fornication comes from the greek word "porno" which is commonly known as "the display of a woman in sex to a man who is not her husband ". Biblically, it means a woman having two husbands - where the Pharisees retorted at Jesus suggesting they had another father besides Abraham, they stated - "We are not children of fornication"

3. The errors developing from the above. When Jesus says, "you cannot get a divorce, saving for fornication". People have said this to mean, if your spouse has sex with another person, this gives you the right to divorce. NO. The truth has been turned inside out, with this interpretation. The truth is, You can NEVER divorce. You can only divorce if the woman was never your wife in the first place, ie, she was not a virgin, which is why Jesus says, divorce is permissible in the case of fornication.

4. Fornication is seen as the CARDINAL sin - which is another error. This belief comes from seeing fornication as so bad, as to warrant dividing asunder what God has joined together. Naturally, many errors diverge out of the one fundamental mistake of forgetting that MARRIAGE = VIRGINITY

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bibleschool Oct 3, 2008

RIGHTLY DIVIDING THE TRUTH

Regarding Hosea, your reasoning would appear plausible, except that Hosea was a singular case, much like Isaiah is told to walk naked on the street:

Isaiah 20:2 At the same time spake the LORD by Isaiah the son of Amoz, saying, Go and loose the sackcloth from off thy loins, and put off thy shoe from thy foot. And he did so, walking naked and barefoot.

Is the bible teaching us to walk naked on the street? In the same way, is the Bible teaching us to marry a wife of whoredoms, as Hosea?

No, in fact the Bible is teaching us to do the very opposite:

1 Corinthians 6:15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.

Hosea's "wife" is only called his wife, because marriage can sometimes less strictly be defined as having sex, whether with a harlot, or indeed with anyone:

1 Corinthians 6:16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.

The cases where Jesus proposes divorce is the situation where a man is married in this less strict sense.

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PaulWest Oct 3, 2008

Marriage is a PHYSICAL ACT of taking the VIRGINITY of a woman, then she becomes your wife.

I think it is the other way around, actually. This thread is coming dangerously close to being locked. Proceed with discretion. Remember there are both men [i]and[/i] women discussing this, and there can also be children here - and I, for one, am becoming a bit uncomfortable with the pervading imagery of marital conjugation. This is okay to mention in passing, but when we park our trucks on it and open the tailgates (as we seem to be doing here), we're going to have a problem.

sermonindex Oct 3, 2008

I agree with Paul... I dont think that this discussion should get anymore "detailish".

Suffice it to say that I think on some minor points you are correct... but your overall point is completely off base.

On top of that (and this is only my own perception and may be completely wrong) I dont get a sense that your purpose in starting this thread is to lovingly warn folks agaisnt falling into sin... but seems rather to be coming from a place of condemnation.

I am reminded of the woman caught in the act of adultry. Once the crowd scattered Jesus knelt down and Jesus does not say "Sin no more, and then I won't condemn you." This is the way LAW/RELIGION answers the question. By the way, Old Testament LAW doesn't accept this formula; it says "Don't sin at all, and then I won't condemn you." According to God's LAW, the first time we break it we become deserving of God's condemnation (James 2:10).

Instead, Jesus/GRACE says "I do not condemn you--now go and sin no more." He isn't saying merely that he won't prosecute her (he can't). Neither is he saying that she isn't responsible for her actions ("go and sin no more"). Neither is he saying that he accepts her apology to him (she didn't apologize or do anything to him). He is forgiving what she did to others, and to God. In other words, he is issuing a declaration of divine forgiveness (as in Mark 2), even though she is guilty!

You would do well to learn less LAW... and more GRACE.

Krispy

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A-Run Oct 3, 2008

This thread is coming dangerously close to being locked. Proceed with discretion.

Rightly said by Paul West of locking this. I think, as others do, that the comments made here (esp. by "bible school") are disturbing. I dont agree with these on many a time.


sermonindex Oct 3, 2008

Hey guys... I would like to apologize if anyone thinks I went to far.

Sometimes it's a fine line about how to discuss issues like these. What "Bibleschool" is putting forth here is unscriptural and does need to be rebuked. Any attempt to put believers in bondage to supposed "law" should be confronted.

Let grace rule the day.

Krispy

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A-Run Oct 3, 2008

Hi

I don't even think what "Bible school" is talking about is "Law" either.

This discussion is locked.

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