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verses taken out of context in epistles?

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farshort Oct 6, 2008

Am I wrong to read the Epistles as letters?I hear people use verses in them in a way that seems to go completely off of subject from what I understand them to be saying.I usually say that Paul was not writing Bible verses per say,but letters,to address different issues in particular churches.Of course they apply now and forever as long as we are here,but sometimes verses seem to be used in a way that was not intended.Am I completely off base here,because people look at me like a calf looking at a new gate sometimes when I bring this up.

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PreachParsly Oct 6, 2008

I don't think so. I hear all kinds of people use verses out of context.

Sadly, what is strange today is people who actually care what the context is or people who believe we can ascertain what Paul actually meant (ie post modernism).

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sonofthunder Oct 6, 2008

Let's add to that summation this:

Jesus said the scripture once it is delivered and given: It cannot be broken (it's like a covenant its very much unbreakable)

But oh so many opinions and different interpretations today and all from the same texts and passages( who is right and correct in their stated views) - Who then speaks the truth? and how do i know that i myself (hold) to the correct biblical view?

2 things beloved!

1. The spirit and the word agree (as one)
( they never clash or differ) no conflict of interest. Unlike men who handle the word of God and you end up with 200 different views and all claiming it to the Word delivered in truth
2. the comforter is exactly that - a comforter and a dis-comforter when he knows Gods holy word is being both corrupted and polluted ( Iow: you should get a witness in your spirit ) as such that something is just not quite right or is a little of centre...

Where does the bible teach that (sof) this witness thing: you allude to?

In 1st John The anointing that ye have abides in you and ye have NO need that ANY MAN SHOULD TEACH YOU, BUT THE SAME ANOINTING YE HAVE ...WILL TEACH YOU "ALL THINGS" And because the comforter will guide you into all truth (as promised by JESUS)... The comforter which is the holy ghost, he shall TEACH you all things (HE IS THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH) he cannot decieve, lie or get it wrong) ( maybe THEN thats our problem today? to many voices are all TRYING to teach us) instead of the comforter himself? The spirit of truth will not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak. So the difference is we all speak of ourselves when we teach; and so you get many conflicting and differing views: But contrsarywise and it seems to be a hard lesson for us to learn - if A MAN WOULD ONLY SHUT HIMSELF UP TO THE HOLY GHOST AND WAIT UPON HIM...THEN HE HAS A PROMISE OF BEING GUIDED INTO ALL TRUTH. And ive always said to the degree you know truth to thAT same degree THEN CAN you then discern and recognize error. How can you recognize error if you don't have a good handle on - what is truth??? Study to shew yourself approved of God! a workman that needeth not to be ashamed ... (ashamed) but rightly dividing up the word of God. Emphasis on labourer, study, dividing up evenly, and so as - to avoid shame. Jesus said to scribe pharisee and saduccee you do greatly err because you KNOW not the scriptures nor the power of God....wherefore then did they greatly ERR ( not that God doesn't use men - but if one would cultivate his listening ear, coupled with diligent study of the Word, then we would have less confusion and more agreement upon what is truth )

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crsschk Oct 6, 2008

Strange irony here ...

[b]1Jn 2:27 - But the anointing which ye have received of him,....[/b] The Spirit, and the grace of the Spirit, which they had received out of the fulness of grace which is in Christ; and is compared to oil or ointment; See Gill on 1Jo_2:20; for Christ, the anointed, is the fountain of it all, and it is had from him in a way of giving and receiving. So the second "Sephira", or number in the Jews' Cabalistic tree, which is wisdom, has for one of its surnames, the fountain of the oil of unction (i) this

[b]abideth in you;[/b] the Syriac and Arabic versions render it, "if it abideth", which spoils the text, for the words are not conditional, but affirmative: grace is an internal thing, it is oil in the vessel of the heart, and where it once is, it abides; as does every grace of the Spirit, as faith, hope, love, and every other: grace can never be taken away; God will not take it away, where he has once bestowed it, and men and devils cannot; it can never be lost as to the principle and being of it; it is an incorruptible seed, and a living principle, which can never be destroyed, notwithstanding all the corruptions in a man's hart, the pollutions of the world, and the temptations of Satan:

[b]and ye need not that any man teach you;[/b] not that they were perfect in knowledge, for no man is absolutely, only comparatively so, in this life; or that they needed not, and were above and exempt from the instructions of Christ's faithful servants; for John himself taught them, and to teach and instruct them was the end of his writing this epistle to them; but the sense is either that they needed not the teachings of these men before mentioned, the antichrists, liars, and seducers, being better taught, and having an unction by which they knew all things; or they needed not to be taught as if they were babes in Christ, as unskilful in the word of righteousness, but so as to increase in spiritual knowledge, and go on to perfection, and be established in the present truths, at least so as to be put in remembrance of them; or rather they needed not, nor were they to regard any mere human revelation and doctrine, for the whole Gospel was come by Jesus Christ, and no other is to be expected or received by men, nor any doctrine but what is according to the revelation of Christ; wherefore saints under the Gospel dispensation are taught of God by his Spirit, according to the word of truth, and by the ministry of it, and have no need of learning every man from his neighbour, or from his brother, any separate revelation; so that this passage does not militate against the external ministry of the Gospel, or human teachings according to that perfect rule and declaration of the whole mind and will of God by Christ under the Gospel dispensation:

[b]but as the same anointing.[/b] The Vulgate Latin and Arabic versions read, "his anointing"; that is, God's or Christ's; and so the Syriac version renders it, "that unction which is of God"; meaning the same as before: the Ethiopic version renders it, his Spirit, which, though not a true version, is no improper or impertinent sense of the phrase: and this

[b]teacheth you of all things;[/b] truths and doctrines necessary to salvation, as in 1Jo_2:20;

[b]and is truth, and is no lie;[/b] or true and not a liar; which is a just character of the spirit of truth, in opposition to the spirit of error; and holds good of the grace of the Spirit, which is truth in the inward parts, and is genuine and sincere:

[b]and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him;[/b] in Christ, from whom they received this anointing; see Gill on 1Jo_2:24; or in the anointing itself, in the grace of the Spirit, in which they stood. Some versions read in the imperative, abide in him, or it, as in 1Jo_2:28.

(i) Cabala Denudata, par. 2. p. 8.

John Gill

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[b]Epistle
EPIS'TLE, n.[/b]
epis'l. [L. epistola; Gr. to send to; to send.]

A writing, directed or sent, communicating intelligence to a distant person; a letter; a letter missive. It is rarely used in familiar conversation or writings, but chiefly in solemn or formal transactions. It is used particularly in speaking of the letters of the Apostles, as the epistles of Paul; and of other letters written by the ancients, as the epistles of Pliny or of Cicero.

Websters Dictionary

[b]G1992[/b]
ἐπιστολή
epistolē
[i]ep-is-tol-ay'[/i]
From G1989; [i]a written message:[/i] - ”epistle”, letter.

Strongs

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Context is king. Reading whole 'Book's' of the scriptures is a better course - Thankfully we have each other in a setting such as this to correct our often mistaken notions - taking things out of context, certainly we all fall prey to it.

Not sure I am understanding the distinction - Do you mean between the Gospels and the letters\\epistles?

[b]Gospel
GOS'PEL, n.[/b]
[L. evangelium, a good or joyful message.]

The history of the birth, life, actions, death, resurrection, ascension and doctrines of Jesus Christ; or a revelation of the grace of God to fallen man through a mediator, including the character, actions, and doctrines of Christ, with the whole scheme of salvation, as revealed by Christ and his apostles. This gospel is said to have been preached to Abraham, by the promise, "in thee shall all nations be blessed." Gal 3:8.

It is called the gospel of God. Rom 1:1.

It is called the gospel of Christ. Rom 1:16.

It is called the gospel of salvation. Eph 1:13.

1. God's word.

2. Divinity; theology.

3. Any general doctrine.

[b]GOS'PEL[/b], v.t. To instruct in the gospel; or to fill with sentiments of religion.

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