Bird's Eye view (photo map) of Townhall in Greenock

www.multimap.com set at Townhall in Greenock Scotland

You can zoom in and out and kind of look around a bit.

:-)

Thanks to both of you!

Hi Frank,

Also, just around the corner from the town hall there is a statue to one of Greenocks most famous sons, James Watt(of 60 watt bulb fame:) He also took the steam and designed it for indutrial use, thus starting the industrial revolution.

This is soooo strange. I was doing a study today of the steam engine. Just popped in my head and since I like engines I looked into it. Actually, as I think about it, I was originally curious about the impact of a train on a car at a railroad crossing because 4 teens were hit by a train by my house last Saturday in a 67 Chevelle 4 door and all survived with just scratches.

One thought lead to another and I was looking at steam engines today on youtube. The teacher mentioned the 60 watt thing and the industrial revolution attributed much to Watts. What are the odds of that?

Thank you, thank you, thank you! Loving HeartSong

Just what I am looking for. [u]You should do one Frank. Your own landmarks[/u]. Churches to pray for. Sounds like RobertW could go to Scotland with his mind moving off in that direction. :-)

Off to sing "Behold the Lamb" from Messiah chorus

I just realized a little while ago that the circles on the left and right, with arrows inside, let you basically go all the way around the structure.

What will they come up with next. Amazing.

Sounds like RobertW could go to Scotland with his mind moving off in that direction.

Well, in a few weeks I'll be flying over to the conference. It was very strange though to see Frank point that out after I was just looking at the same subject. I did not know that Watts was from Greenock.

I have often thought that the Industrial Revolution greatly impacted the overall paradigm in the West towards 'productivity'. We went from a manual to a mechanized society. This happened on many levels; production, transportation, farming, etc. All were effected drastically. Gone were the days of labor intensive tilling the ground and harvesting crops. I submit that this was another major step towards [i]undoing[/i] the tangible consequences of Adam sinning.

[color=000066]Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. (Genesis 3:23)[/color]

We have been able in many parts of the world to sidestep this consequence for sin on a personal level. What used to take multitudes of people now only takes a handful with their machines.

And this is what concerns me most, that evangelism has taken the same path. The sinners prayer is like a modern day harvesting combine for souls. The fields are the huge stadiums or television audiences of mass evangelism efforts. The problem is exhaserbated by busted or poorly designed [i]machines[/i] (as it were). Instead of plowing, sowing, growing and harvesting a wheat crop- many are content to go out into an unworked farm and come from the fields with whatever made it into the bin. And because it has weight and volume it is called 'success'.

I am not a big fan of the industrial revolution...

I don't think it is accidental that God has pointed our attention to Greenock. I guess I see an awareness of how industry influenced a revolution in evangelism. Perhaps a 'revolution' of sorts could begin again in Greenock; with the fresh word from Atlanta on our hearts I look for God to give insight into His plan to restore to the Church a Bible based approach to the Harvest and the 'work' of the ministry.

I hear you.

I am posting this because I am praying for the meetings in Scotland. I am not looking to encourage or add to what might become a sociological discussion.

Speaking spiritually, it is difficult to miss the relationship between the industrial revolution and

[u]#1. the building of cities in Genesis 11[/u]. Here I am thinking about the “making a name for “our” “self” (collective man not dispersing, and that “drive” in individuals to “make a name for themselves”).

[u]#2[/u]. the fruit of the industrial revolution on [u]how man views himself and views other men[/u]. This could make you weep. To me it is a view of man that is right up there with Darwin and evolution.

[u]#3. the great emptiness that follows[/u] from man knowing himself (an imagination against a biblical view of man) in the terms of the industrial revolution. There is a loss of meaning in life and a great loss of Truth. No wonder a man can so easily seek to be filled with spirits like Whiskey and Scotch.

[u]#4[/u]. the contribution this revolution has made to [u]the love of money[/u].

It is easy today for me to see the industrial revolution, spiritually, as another attempt to execute an end run around God after the events at the Tower of Babel – a run to lead man in “another way.” -- to again raise man’s “standard of living” to rival God’s (“into the heavens”).

I am also struck with this discovery of “bricks/brick-making” in Genesis*. Bricks are manmade, but God made stones. Every stone is so unique in shape and color. The people of God were enslaved to making bricks. But altars are made of stones. And we have 1 Peter 2: 5 Ye also, as [b][color=FF0000]lively stones[/color][/b], are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

The Tuesday group that prays for the meeting in Scotland shared a vision of prayer last Tuesday that touched Eph 4:16. These thoughts inform prayer.

There is only One Way to raise the standard of living for any man and all men. He truly does draw and lift us. It is behold the Lamb. Just one moment in his presence...

*[Edit:Gen. 11:3]

The industrial revolution has also brought about a distance between the people - it is much easier to bear the sorrows of another at a distance. Instead of laboring together we labor along with a machine, detaching ourselves from one another and breaking down the bonds of unity.

Not to mention the fact that we no longer have to get our hands dirty . . .