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Obama's Election: The Coming Persecution

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KingJimmy Nov 5, 2008

As many of you know, Paul Washer, a missionary who has served the Lord in Europe, South America, and is the founder of the HeartCry Missionary Society, spoke at the Revival Conference in Atlanta. Prophetically, he warns the Church of a persecution that is coming to our country.

Brother Washer warns how a "net is closing around you, your children and your grand children," all while we are mesmerized by the things that are in this world. He says we will further be isolated from society, falsely accused, denounced as biggots and haters. He says up until now that these things have been happening slowly, but will be quickly increasing, and unless God intervenes to stop it by means of a revival, these things will come upon us suddenly before we even realize what is happening. In response to such, brother Washer says we must fill our minds with the Word of God and live our lives in light of eternity, for we will have to be dependent upon God for a radical grace to make it through such times.

With all this I must concur. And I would like to give an exhortation to you and your local Church, that you especially focus not only on your growing in the knowledge of the word of God, but also in the spreading of it. Put aside many of your silly games, programs, and building projects. For in light of the election of Barack Obama as President of the United States, we can be sure that apart from God's intervention, we will see our nation turn all the more against Evangelical Christians. If Obama lives up to his socialist tendencies, there can be no doubt that the state will greatly assault the word of God, as it seeks to contradict and oppress its message, and ridicule those who hold to it. For socialism brings with it the tendency to allow only one voice, as all other voices that contradict the state are seen as a threat to its own well being.

Therefore, we must seek all the more to do those things which ultimately are eternal in value, and will survive the fires by which all things will be tested (1 Corinthians 3). For the fires that are coming will show what works were truly made of gold, silver, and other precious metals. The fires will reveal those things which were merely wood, hay, and stubble. Though the apostle Paul warns us in 1 Corinthians 4 not to judge which is what before the day in which the Lord reveals those things Himself, we should determine in our minds to the best of our abilities to do those things which we truly believe to qualify as doing a work that is truly eternal in value.

Building programs and such may have some eternal value, but being that we can find no instance of the Church building "houses of worship" in the New Testament, we can probably be pretty sure whatever value such edifices may have, they are rather small in God's eyes. One task we can be sure that the early Church was engaged in that was of great eternal value, was the active spreading of the word of God. Therefore, while there is still ample opportunity to do such with little hindrance, let me encourage you once again to put as much time as you can into openly spreading of the gospel of Jesus Christ. As much as possible, share the gospel at work, amongst friends, amongst family, and even in the streets. As much as possible, preach, publish, and defend the gospel. For the time is coming where we will lament the days that we did not take the wonderful opportunity the Lord has given us in this present time. For unless the Lord intervenes, the time is coming where to openly share the gospel maybe difficult, and result in great personal loss.

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EvangelistC Nov 5, 2008

I am glad you posted this. I was telling my family this exact same thing tonight. We have got to step up and separate ourselves from the jargon and games of the world, and pursue the increase of the Kingdom of God. We are going to be living in a non-christian nation, not unlike the nations of old.

Get ready. We must start acting like the soldiers of Christ we have been called to be.

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HeartSong Nov 5, 2008

We must start acting like the soldiers of Christ we have been called to be.

Amen. Only by Thy grace, O Lord.

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passerby Nov 5, 2008

Today is a day that will be remembered in human history, who knows what changes, blessings, or difficulties it will bring. May the Lord bring us wisdom and strength through the unfoldingng events of our time.

May it bring the assemblies towards a closer unity for the glory of God, helping one another, praying for one another.

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awakenwithin Nov 5, 2008

amen amen, Brothe this is truth and wonderfuly putbut we must know that there is chnage coming and it will be hard, but we must not fear. I can many ways I could be fearful, but to be wise and bold my beloved, let give up the game. My heartis so moved to this passion, that my beloved in Christ the cross, Now is the time. I say amen with my feet shaking, let us not trust in ourself or we will never move, but in God and tae steps of Faith, Brothers and sister we need each more then we know, don't niss meeting and praying with others now. Go and pray

In christ

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mayIfearHim Nov 5, 2008

Again, I say, 'Amen'.
"Where evil abounds, grace abounds MUCH MORE"
Praise God for all He plans to do!

sermonindex Nov 5, 2008

Amen..it is sad that it would take something to cause us to press in and do the work of which we have been called. But we know that through persecution the church advances and grows, it is not squelched or hinder, but gains momentum with fiery trial.


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KingJimmy Nov 5, 2008

Amen. We must not fear such things. As Scripture reminds us, His name is Immanuel, and He is the God that is with us.

sermonindex Nov 5, 2008

Historically when things get tough for Christians... we flourish. We grow. Our devotion gets deeper. Look at our persecuted brethren in other lands. Chinese people are being saved daily by the thousands. Revivals are happening in countries where they do not have religious freedoms.

All of us here say we're praying for revival... but in times of plenty revival usually does not happen. Men do not feel like they need God. But let God apply some pressure, and revival breaks out.

In a strange way... perhaps this election is an answer to prayer. I shudder to say that, but it could be true.

Krispy

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KingJimmy Nov 5, 2008

As the early church historian, Eusebius once said, "The blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church." Indeed, the church seems to flourish most when times are tough. In such times, we become like the tree that digs its roots deep, and finds water so as to allow it to flourish.

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whyme Nov 5, 2008

No more resting on our lees. No more trust in the idol of a conservative govenrment. No more. Arise from the slumber.


KingJimmy wrote:
As the early church historian, Eusebius once said, "The blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church." Indeed, the church seems to flourish most when times are tough. In such times, we become like the tree that digs its roots deep, and finds water so as to allow it to flourish.

sermonindex Nov 5, 2008

This is the link to the video of Paul Washer talking about a coming persecution: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7UyZYpeReY


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iansmith Nov 5, 2008

I was just with a younger Christian brother trying to encourage him to stand firm among his many worries and anxieties.

I tried to share a bit of wisdom with him that the Lord has taught me over the past several years. Our 'problems,' our 'anxieties,' our 'worries,' they all appear to be bigger than life... but for the most part, they aren't. We often make huge issues out of minor issues. It is all about [b]PERSPECTIVE[/b].

In the Eternal scheme of things, Obama's election is a drop in the bucket. Do not make a mountain of an anxiety out of a molehill!

From God's perspective, this is nothing new.

We live in a dispensation of Grace, go out and tell people that they will face the Wrath of God if they do not turn away from their sins.

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crsschk Nov 5, 2008

If I may offer a note of caution ...

Have long been a proponent of holding things in abeyance when it comes to events yet future, to things supposed and where it goes to the level of extremity that our so called 'prophets' who, find every imagination and thought criss-crossing the mind is "[i]Thus sayeth the Lord[/i]" an enemy to [i]thinking[/i] Christians and studious bible Christians everywhere ... Have been loud and vocal.

Not to give the wrong impression here in any fashion towards Paul Washer who is guttural and speaks-lives from the core of his being, not at all.

Jumping to conclusions, jumping the gun - These things I find often a great distraction and those that can fill our minds with notions. The point is for those who are watching unto prayer and praying while they watch I do not see that we will be taken by surprise nor that we have a reflex that rejects possibilities and\\or warnings.

If I am reading scripture and the hearts and minds of those who we esteem, men who have long since left this mad world aright I find that this tension can be held in abeyance and should. Bluntly enough, we will know when it is time, when the "summer" has come.

Things are not always as they 'seem'. [i]This[/i] is not necessarily [i]that[/i]. An example and one that may prove out my point as timely as this very moment I am writing;

[url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=23527&forum=48&start=20&viewmode=flat&order=1]California Legalizes Same Sex Marriage[/url]

This was back in May and at that time a similar mention was made.

[url=http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_10901475?source=most_emailed]Prop. 8 appears headed for victory[/url]

At this writing, it is within an hour and half current, with 90% of the tally accounted for. Yet, that is still 10% short, [i]the time is not yet[/i] for ... well, that leads to another altogether different thought.

[i]IF[/i] this holds it may be telling of some notions and perspectives and hopefully it is seen with some humility that we do not be caught up in so much speculation - Pronouncements - Guess work.

We love our categories and it is difficult to speak sometimes without hearing them redounding between the ears - Left-Right-Middle and the middle is the pit of seeming compromise or fence siting. What you or I 'think' may or may not come to pass is frankly irrelevant and experience and study has shown me that God has chosen to keep things hidden from our sight predominantly precisely so that we do not trust in our own strength, whether of might or mind. That we ought to be ready for anything and content with what we have, watchful but not post-functory in speculation. If it comes it will come and we will not be caught unaware. Lastly, a reminder:

[i]But when they persecute you in this city, [u]flee[/u] ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.[/i] Mat 10:23

Sometimes I wonder if we do not somehow secretly [i]desire[/i] to be persecuted, even if we would not come right out and say so. It is a wrong headed notion and I realize saying as much [i]here[/i] would bring a challenge that that is 'not what we are saying' and I would agree. But I do wonder about that impression that is left ... behind.

If one was to really, diligently dig through this site and the things that have gone across he postings after 5 some odd years I believe we would find a whole host of matters that are elevated at times (such as right now) only to die back down and fade off into a disinterested conscience, the often great sweeping pronouncements of things then current have been relegated to a dusty old alley, forgotten about and moved on to the next current event.

Further than that, in the realm of Christendom itself- It is even more pronounced. Everything from Y2K to the recent great 'Revival' out in Florida that came crashing back to earth with a giant thud, already forgotten and dismissed, all the 'prophecies', all the noise, none of the needed forthcoming in honesty and more strikingly repentance for the foolishness and the future speaking that was evidently [i]false[/i]. There are so many of these things it would be impossible to tell of them.

[b]Abeyance
ABEY'ANCE[/b]
, n. pron. abayance. [Norm. abbaiaunce, or abaizance, in expectation; boyance, expectation. Qu. Fr. bayer, to gape, to look a long time with the mouth open; to stand looking in a silly manner. [See Bay]

In expectation or contemplation of law. The fee simple or inheritance of lands and tenements is in abeyance, when there is no person in being in whom it can vest; so that it is in a state of expectancy or waiting until a proper person shall appear. Thus if land is leased to a man for life, remainder to another for years, the remainder for years is in abeyance, till the death of the lessee, for life.

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[i] He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.[/i] Rev 22:20,21

sermonindex Nov 5, 2008

Ian... you are so right. This life is a vapor. It is as long as a finger snap in light of eternity. The worst case scenario is we die... and enter into glory. How can we fear anything in this life?

Keith Green once said that God created this world in 6 days... and He's been working on Heaven for 2,000 years. This place is like living in a garbage can compared to whats going on up there.

I'm sure if we could talk to Keith today... or Ravenhill, Tozer or Larry Norman... they would all tell us how silly we are to fear anything in this life considering how splendid Heaven is!

Krispy

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ravenmolehil Nov 5, 2008

This thread reminds me of how God used James A. Stewart in several pockets of revival prior to Hitlers invasion of Europe etc. & how God raised up a people to endure the trials, tribulation, & suffering that followed. In the 'James A. Stewart - Missionary' book he tells of a similar state of events as the net closed in & In the midst of wrath He extended HIs mercy.

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AbideinHim Nov 5, 2008

"See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:

Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.

And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.

Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

For our God is a consuming fire." (Hebrews 12:25-29).

God is speaking to us through His Word. He is speaking to us through His prophets, but are we listening? Everything that we are putting our trust and confidence in that has been a substitue or imitation for Christ is going to be shaken. Only that which is established and built on the "sure foundation" Jesus Christ will make it through this shaking. Our Christianity is going to be tested. We will truly have to know Christ as our life and be led by the Spirit of God in these last days.

Mike

sermonindex Nov 5, 2008

I would also like to remind everyone that we survived almost a decade of Bill Clinton...

Krispy

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ginnyrose Nov 5, 2008

Interesting thread...

In light of the feeling that persecution will be upon us, may I suggest that it may not be as quick as we deem it might be. That would not been keeping with the devil's nature, would it? His method of deception is like the proverbial frog: put the fellow into a pan of cold water, turn the heat on low and then unknown to him, cook him slowly. Now if the frog had been put in there with the water being hot, he would have jumped out of it immediately. People are like this frog. (I do not know whether this fable has any basis in fact, but it provides one with a good analogy!)

What I fully expect will happen is that when Obama assumes office in January, he may do a few radical things, but it will soon be business as usual. However, in the meantime forces may be setting up to effect radical change but only by degrees, so small it will be imperceptible to most. This is the way the devil works to deceive folks. Of this method we should not be ignorant. "Business as usual" will have the capability to lull us to sleep. Will we sleep or be alert? Regardless, we are going to die sometime (surprise!!) and for that we need to be prepared regardless what the means may be to this end.

that our so called 'prophets' who, find every imagination and thought criss-crossing the mind is "Thus sayeth the Lord" an enemy to thinking Christians and studious bible Christians everywhere

I am getting to be very disturbed with prophets who will come along and make predictions. They pander to the hopes of folks, raise that level of expectation only to have them dashed - again by reality.

I got an email detailing the prophetic voice of one such prophet who declared that Sarah Palin would become a modern day "Esther" - implying they will win the election - and that this was the voice of the LORD. He says he shared this prophecy with the Palins...Methinks this is the epitome of emotional cruelty...

My thoughts, disjointed, I agree...

ginnyrose

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GodsFire Nov 5, 2008

My question to krispykritter,

What was so bad about Clinton that wasn't bad about Bush?

I have found in my short time here, that many of you all have issues with dems or their beliefs, let us not forget that God is the God of comfort, He can use anyone, and He does...

When there was financial prosperity during the Clinton years, not many, if any complained. Am I saying that he wasn't sinful, human, or evil in any-way, NO, I am not. He is an unregenerate man, the exact same for george W Bush, George HC Bush, and possibly Barack Obama, they all need our prayers, our real sincere prayers, let us stop criticizing liberals, and comparing them to republicans,

This cheapens our conversation, our stand, it cheapens our Godly jealousy because we are partial and we limit the love and entrenched and wide loving grace for all mankind....

Give President elect Obama a chance to be used or moved by the Almighty God of Abraham....

Like we have sung the song in various congregations, " Look what the Lord has done"! He can do it through President elect Obama, and even if he fails, let us look at him as in any other unregenerate nature or simply as a frail man like the entire Bush Administration has been.

Nevertheless, George W Bush has also been used of God....


Looking unto Jesus, the author & finisher of our faith

God is able,

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