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Was at a show last night.was the gosple really preachd?

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awakenwithin Nov 10, 2008

I was talked into going to this christain show we had in my town. It was free it was to be worship and outreach. had no desire to go, but I went because I felt maybe God wanted to show me something. When I got there, worship was going on, thousands and thousands yelling dancing singing, even the many unbelievers that had came. I had no promble with the worship, I am sure that many where prasing God with there hearts. I didn't go there to judge whether the people where worshiping or not. But would they speak the gosple in truth? In many ways it was nothing more then a show a good time. There was no fear God? As the worship stop they started in, on there gosple, it was not the real one, but false, and thousand coudn't even tell? what is this no hell? No sin? just a promble? come and pray? I am nt suprised that this false gosple is being preahed, but shocked that Gods don't see it.. and hunders went forwrd to pray the prayer. was this truth? What did these people waked away with, but feeling good about themselves. They talked of how they got big, that from there songs? How was this pionting to God? We must be careful to not rise man up, and destory the beauty what worship is. Is it not all for the Glory of God?
then they said now give us money because this nation needs help and we want to bring this gosple to them. Brothers and Sister,this saddens my heart, for out 14 tousand who walked way sadden that a false gosple was preached. All I heard was that was amazing! wow did you see all who went forward? the worship was great!

I was thnking after, what if tere was show and at frist there will be all the greatest well known worship songs. Come an priase God with us, he is so great... then after we will give a message that Jesus say just come, no need to repent, I am love and I love you just the way you are. And Jesus saves, but he would like you to frist. this plan wrong, yet the gosple that is being preached i just as wrong just adds words to make it sound better. Do we know thetrue gosple?
Can we have good worship and bad gosple? is not what you speak come from the heart, so woud not the worship also be affected by fales ideas of who God is. Are we in Gods word so little, we are lead in to jumping and dancing and singing a song that is about glory of man and not God. To say amen to false gosple. The gosple wasn't preached. I thought I would rather support a pastor if just one man, who would go from city to city,maybe even small goups. Then a well known band, who are spreading lies in the name of Christ and give not truth. Let us be very carefull who we support and even what we sing along to. I wanted to run up on the stage and preach the true gosple to all hunders who where lost.

Glory to God
May he rise up young men bold and willingto preach truth... Let us pray for them.

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Nellie Nov 10, 2008

If Jesus Christ wasn't Glorified.
If He wasn't lifted up, and not man, then it wasn't the True Gospel.
God Bless you
Nellie

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sojourner7 Nov 10, 2008

If men weren't told they were lost and called
to come to the cross; then it wasn't the
gospel!!

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enid Nov 10, 2008

I noticed you described it as a show, a Christian show. Or, in other words, entertainment.

The gospel is not know for it's entertainment content, because it has none.

You said there were thousands there, and were we to ask others about what took place, what they say might be different to what you said. Or, there will be those who agree with you, and some not knowing what to make of what took place.

But, you were there and saw what you saw. It doesn't sound like it had anything to do with the gospel, just a cheap imitation of a secular concert with the names of God and Jesus thrown in to 'Christianise' the event.

It's nothing new, and no doubt, more of the same will follow.

But, God sees all.

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Limey153 Nov 10, 2008

The very fact that you questioning if God is being glorified or feared in this event answers alot. I was in a very similar situation a little while ago where we had a visiting evangelist come to the church and over a period of a few weeks there were big events geared around this guys preaching. After the first service I was so incredibly grieved at what I witnessed that I could not bring myself to go back. Everybody else in the church was so excited and there seemed to be many conversions that I really sought God to see if the fault was in fact with me. Well praise the Lord, he indeed heard my cry and answered, he showed me not to look at others but to take notice of the sense of grieving that in fact was put there by Him and to search the scriptures to see exactly why he was grieved at such things. It sounds to me that your experience is similar to what is very sadly happening around the world. May the Lord bring a great fear and reverence into our meetings, if only we could see less laughing and more weeping.

sermonindex Nov 10, 2008

At that same time, lets be careful not to get judgemental. I've been in some churches that seemed to me to be as dead as roadkill... hymns played so slow there was no beat to it... no hands raised in worship... and I thought surely God has left this place.

God chastised me for judging those people. There I sat judging other's hearts when there were probably saints who walk closer than I ever have with the Lord in that place.

Then I'v heard people, even on this forum, condemn lively praise and worship services as being "emotional" and "fleshly"... and I have to ask... how do you know what's in another's heart?

I will always challenge others on matters of doctrine and teachings, as we all should. But when it comes to praise and worship I refuse to judge anothers heart unless it's something that is obviously unscriptural (barking like dogs, "slain in the spirit, etc).

I will raise my hands before the Lord, and at times been known to dance before the Lord... and probably someone thought I was acting the fool for doing it. They're right... I'm a fool for my Lord.

Krispy

sermonindex Nov 10, 2008

Well Krispy...you have the ability to surprise me :-) I totaly agree with your sentiment. Just because we dwell in a day and age of much abuse, does not mean that we "throw the baby out with the bathwater."..........brother Frank

sermonindex Nov 10, 2008

I'm like an onion, Frank. Lots of layers... and sometimes can make ya cry!

I don't go well with a salad tho...

Krispy

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FireinmyBones1 Nov 11, 2008

Krispy,
From the posts of yours that I've read, I've definitely seen the manifestation of your "onion-like" nature. I likt it though.

I agree with your comments (Krispy's), wholeheartedly. It is a dangerous thing when we begin passing judgment on an individual's worship. As one who (along with my wife) leads the songs, or the worship service, at our fellowship, I have witnessed first hand the downright rotten and unchrist like judgmentalism that can swirl around the issue of worship. Some people don't like a song if it has any substance to it. It has to be an, "I love Jesus" followed by a few "La La La La's" to be effective. Others have to recite a doctrinal statement set to music which makes you thinks Mr. Rogers trolly is about to appear from behind the pulpit. Both are dreadfully silly attitudes to have.

I would also say to be careful not to judge the worhip of those who simply happened to be in attendance at events such as the one in question. People can be in the wrong place and have the right heart. Some have not been (forgive the phrase) indoctrinated by the teachings of Paul Washer, David Wilkerson, Leonard Ravenhill and others of the same ilk. Some have not learned how to go from church to church bemoaning the sins of everyone but themselves. Some who have hearts that are "innocent of evil" would simply view people worshipping and responding to a message as beautiful and glorious. Certainly most here were in the same boat before being introduced to teaching which taught you otherwise.

Certainly there were many sincere and devout worshippers of God in the temple in the days of Caiaphas. In fact Jesus Himself could be found worshipping and praying therein. Despite the corrupt priesthood, the robbery taking place in the outer court, and the lack of glory in the holy of holies, the disciples themselves regularly worshipped in the temple in the post ascencion era. Therefore I say be careful of looking at people at events whoes doctrinal purity you question and automatically writing them off as apostate.

Just my thoughts...
Jeff

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JoanM Nov 11, 2008

“Dead” praise and worship [u][b]and[/u][/b] “flesh” praise and worship are like two arms of the same man: the man that has not been crucified with Christ (Phil. 3:10). Neither has known the power released at the Cross, at the death of self. That would be the "Work" of God.

In this way Truth was neglected. There is no fullness of Life without that death [u][b]and[/u][/b] a heightened awareness of your senses (through stimulating sights, sounds, and movement) is NOT the presence of God. [thank you, Frank]

The current conflict in the Church over music seems often to come to a conflict between two dead-men.

Saying this to dead-men that may divide on this issue is not helpful. Saying it to children of God is not necessary. It may be better to say, as I have heard another say, [b]“In this way Truth is neglected.”[/b] Would that be preaching?

Seeking God for revival
Joan

sermonindex Nov 11, 2008

Certainly there were many sincere and devout worshippers of God in the temple in the days of Caiaphas. In fact Jesus Himself could be found worshipping and praying therein. Despite the corrupt priesthood, the robbery taking place in the outer court, and the lack of glory in the holy of holies, the disciples themselves regularly worshipped in the temple in the post ascencion era. Therefore I say be careful of looking at people at events whoes doctrinal purity you question and automatically writing them off as apostate.

Jeff... that was awesome! I'm gonna be using that in an upcoming teaching I'm putting together. Great perspective, brother.

Krispy

sermonindex Nov 11, 2008

By the way... has anyone here ever heard of Chris Tomlin? I got introduced to his music about a year ago... and man, powerful worship music. I consider him the King David of the 20th century.

Saw him being interviewed on TV once a few months back and what a heart for the Lord he has. He had a new CD coming out (it's out now) and the interviewer was asking him about it... and his answer was "I can't wait to see people just worshipping the Lord with the songs He has blessed me to be able to write".

Thats uncommon today in Christian music where it's all about the artist.

We went and bought all 6 of his CD's and it really helps to create an atmosphere of praise and worship in our house.

Krispy

sermonindex Nov 11, 2008

Hi Krispy....Chris Tomlin is very good. Have you heard "How Great is our God."? Awesome worship song, just reveling in the greatness of God..........brother Frank

Hey, does someone smell onions?

sermonindex Nov 11, 2008

Yea, know the song. I love "Amazing Grace (The Chains Are Gone)".

Krispy

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