That's the problem my friend, God gave Israel plenty of motivation to stop sinning as we see in Deut. 28 (and the rest of the Law for that matter). They knew the result of and the consequences of their sin, but they loved their sin and continued in it. Paul points out in Rom. 3 that no one seeks God, none of us! That must mean that the motivations of sin are greater than the motivations of God,
Deut. 28 (and the rest of the Law for that matter) is not motivation.
The law was never meant to motivate.
When ever there was a godly king who repented, the nation followed.
The motivation is godly leadership.
That is how children grow up to be Christian, godly parents(leadership)
That is how a church family grows more godly; with godly elders who follow GOD.
That is why demons fell, ungodly leadership.
That is why demons stay demons, God will never lead them to repentance.
It goes both ways.
Some men repent for fear of hell and become to love God for deliverance.
Some men come to God because they chose to be convicted by His law which condemned them.
Men come to God out of love for Him because He saved them from wrath.
The end result becomes to be serving God because He is God and worthy of our worship.
These all stem from self preservation and reaction to a negative stimulus.
We react to reward, that is a fact.
How so?
The whole chapter is the fall of Adam & eve.
The "Federal Headship of Adam" can be taken to far, if not out of context.
Sin entered the world as in Adam introduced the first sin to the world.
His sin entered the world just as the effects of his sin is still felt in creation.
There is no Tree of Life.
The consequence for his sin made like a chain reaction for other events.
His sin had consequences, those consequences are not the penalty as you are implying.
[b]Romans 5:16[/b] [color=990000]So is the gift not like it was by one that sinned: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offenses unto justification.[/color]
[color=990000]The gift[/color] [of righteousness/justification] (of life) [color=990000]is not comparable to the judgment[/color] (to die) but it is like this:
[color=990000]The judgment is from Adam's sin to[/color] (to his own) [color=990000]condemnation. but the free gift[/color] (of righteousness/justification) [color=990000]is from many offences[/color] (my life of sin) [color=990000]to being right with God[/color] (because of repentance).
If you mean to say that God would keep the rest of Adam's offspring in a guilty state, for who knows why; what would be the purpose of that?
Why would God do something which frustrates His will?
[b]Gen 3:21[/b] [color=990000]Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.[/color]
The restoration.
[b]Gen 4:3[/b] [color=990000]And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.
[b]:4[/b] And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:[/color]
Adam teaches his children to worship, proving his repentance.
if you mean that the consequence if being cut off from the tree of life, yes.
But they did not "die" but are "dying"
[b]1Corinth 15:22[/b] [color=990000]For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be alive.[/color]
The word "die" is present active.
The ultimate reason people died in that time period is because the Tree of Life was not around.
What is "spiritual nature"?
Spiritual death of Adam was because he chose to sin.
That is why all mankind dies spiritually, from their own fault of choosing to sin.
no one dies spiritually because of a distant relative.
True, we do not earn salvation from deeds which we have done in righteousness, but we saved by obeying the terms which God had fixed - Namely, He saves only those who submit to His command to repent by faith.
[b]Luke 17:10[/b] [color=990000]So likewise you, when you shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.[/color]
The Jew himself cannot be admitted into the kingdom of the Messiah unless he first strip himself of his Judaism by baptism (Except a man be born of water), and then put off his carnal and put on a spiritual state(and of the Spirit).
Water here is meant baptism; make no doubt: no question about this, that Jesus goes on from there to the next verse to explain that the benefits to be had by the Messiah, is of no value for a man to be born of the seed of Abraham, or to be originally an Israelite, (That which is born of the flesh is flesh).
One must take on a whole new life, forgetting what he learned in Judaism (that which is born of the Spirit is spirit).
How does this prove a "corrupt nature"?
The guilt and sin of Adam is imputed to all born of the flesh, just as the righteousness of Christ is imputed to all reborn of the Spirit.
Abraham had to do something of his own volition before righteousness was imputed to him, he had to believe.
Same for guilt.
All mankind must do something from his own volition before guilt is imputed to anybody, we must first willfully, volitionally sin.
I can't believe I'm arguing about the responsibility of one own guilt to a Christian, who should know this.
If one is guilty by anything but his own fault, then he is not accountable for being guilty. In essence, his guilt means nothing, he is not truly at fault and not culpable.
Your doctrine is setting guilty man free by making it not his fault, but a distant relative.
Sure, you claim culpability, but you prove the contrary of it by your theology/doctrine.
Wrong, I'm telling you that man must acknowledge his own guilt, therefore justifying God in HIS judgment. He must believe God that HIS judgments are true about himself.
In doing this, righteousness is imputed to him.
You’re saying that man must not even acknowledge his own guilt before God saves (regenerates) him, which isn't even his in reality.
He does not need to justify God in his confession, but God imputes righteousness for no reason at all, just as man is guilty for no reason of his own.
"It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves, but you, in these things which now have been announced to you through those who preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven--things into which angels long to look." (1 Peter. 1:12)
No, it does not appear that angels have seen the full revelation of the Godhead.Angels looking into salvation does not prove that they had not seen the full revelation of WHO HE IS & ALL HIS HOLY RIGHTEOUSNESS, which is what I meant.(caps not yelling)
That is arbitrary reason why God chosen to redeem sinful man and left the fallen angels to their demise.
This is the PRIMARY reason God has redeemed man: for His names' sake and to the glory of His name.
My point is you have given no criteria for why God elects.
Anything from ones own will is arbitrary. A choice needs to proceed from outside of one in order to be not arbitrary.
Secondary scholars?
Are there primary ones?
Are you a definitive source for defining Christian doctrines?
Are you a primary scholar?
What is your source?
Where did you learn to interpret the Scriptures.
Are you an expert in Exegesis and Hermeneutics?
Or are you spouting off only that which you have been taught?
The problem here is that you think that you must be the one who is right.
Are you asking questions to understand what and where I'm coming from, or are you attempting to shoot everything I say down from the start?
Until you get passed that, all you will be doing is attempting to defend [b]that which has not been concluded[/b].
All that matters to me is people stop calling me a heretic and understand where I'm coming from.
I do not have a flesh pleasing theology, in fact I condemn the flesh.
I do not have a theology that clears man of guilt, in fact I make man more culpable than your theology.
Then I ask you to defend what you say with the logical conclusion of that which you teach.
Back it up with Scripture correctly interpreted with the right definitions of words.
