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mythought2u Nov 30, 2008

Roman Catholic and Protestant Confessions about Sunday

The vast majority of Christian churches today teach the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, as a time for rest and worship. Yet it is generally known and freely admitted that the early Christians observed the seventh day as the Sabbath. How did this change come about?

History reveals that it was decades after the death of the apostles that a politico-religious system repudiated the Sabbath of Scripture and substituted the observance of the first day of the week. The following quotations, all from Roman Catholic sources, freely acknowledge that there is no Biblical authority for the observance of Sunday, that it was the Roman Church that changed the Sabbath to the first day of the week.

In the second portion of this booklet are quotations from Protestants. Undoubtedly all of these noted clergymen, scholars, and writers kept Sunday, but they all frankly admit that there is no Biblical authority for a first-day sabbath.
Please "Google" Sabbath day Saturday or Sunday? study it for yourself.

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BlazedbyGod Nov 30, 2008

Just curious, have you seen/read the other going thread about the sabbath day, if not, please feel to come by and take a glace and give you view, conviction, and understanding.

Some of what you have spoken here I know to be true as well, I have studied on this for almost 2 years now, and quite extensive at that.

Have you read "Ten Commandments Twice Removed" by Danny Shelton

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savannah Dec 1, 2008

Seventh Day Adventism is far removed from the Gospel of our LORD Jesus Christ and the faith of God's elect revealed in the Scriptures.

As you begin with such a faulty foundation(SDAism), you can't but end with a structure that is anything but solid and biblically sound and founded upon the Rock solid foundation of Jesus Christ and His Gospel of Grace & Truth.

I know who Danny Shelton is and am familiar with his many false doctrines.

To suggest one read his book, "Ten Commandments Twice Removed" is to attempt to lead astray the flock of God to follow a stranger and an hireling.

Once those here on SI become aware of your doctrine they may be better equipped to answer you.

I'd suggest that those on the SI forum learn about the many false teachings and the beginnings of SDAism.

Ellen G. White's writings are the writings who most SDA's revere as she was the founder of this cult.

On the Sabbath issue I'd highly recommend a book by Dale Ratzlaff entitled "Sabbath in Christ" first published under the title "Sabbath in Crisis" in 1990 which is the copy I have.

It is a thorough, inductive, biblical study of the Sabbath, the covenants and the gospel.

"I’m impressed with the clarity, precision, and thoroughness of Dale Ratzlaff’s work. This book is a much-needed treatment of the Sabbath controversy, written with intelligent passion and full of insight and wisdom." (John MacArthur, Pastor, Grace Community Church, Sun Valley, California)

NOTE:

Danny Shelton, President of 3ABN is not a man of integrity to say the least.

Along with his errors of SDAism he has also divorced his wife Linda of 19 years.

The VERIFIED PETITION FOR DISSOLUTION OF MARRIAGE between DANNY LEE SHELTON and LINDA SUE SHELTON may be viewed here: http://www.save-3abn.com/danny-shelton-demise-of-marriage-guam-divorce.htm


Another article on some related facts of this man and his now 2nd ex-wife may be found (Adventist Today Magazine http://www.atoday.com/magazine/2004/05/troubled-3abn-fires-linda-shelton) in an article entitled "Troubled 3ABN Fires Linda Shelton" Dated May 1, 2004 - by Edwin A. Schwisow

I trust that Christ Himself has given, and will give, His Rest and His Peace to His people the 'Israel of God'.

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Miccah Dec 1, 2008

Yes savannah,

There have been many discussions on SI about SDA cult. Many, many here have taught against these false teachings and continue to do so.

Try to realize that many heresies are spoken about here on SI and from time to time, some people continue to try to bring back these things, such as being held under bondage of the law, day worshipping or other things that are not from God.

Thank you for your warning, it is appropriate if not needed again as a reminder of the Truth. As for the day worshippers... keep up the warnings. As children of God we cannot let heresy get a foot hold.

sermonindex Dec 1, 2008

It's interesting how cyclical these heresies are. It's almost a "heresy-of-the-month" kinda thing. Last month it was the "there is no Trinity" heresy, this month it's law-bondage Sabbath keeping.

It just goes to show that we need to be ever diligent in contending for the faith.

Krispy

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savannah Dec 1, 2008

Apparently, the link I posted to the article entitled "Troubled 3ABN Fires Linda Shelton" has been removed by the Adventist Today website.

I will post the article in full below, for those interested in reading it.

Troubled 3ABN Fires Linda Shelton
May 1, 2004 - by Edwin A. Schwisow

In a move that consolidates Danny Shelton, president, ever more firmly at the helm of the troubled Three Angels Broadcasting (3ABN) satellite network, the 3ABN board in June voted to dismiss Shelton's now-ex-wife, Linda, from her position as vice president and on-air hostess.

The dismissal came just days before the couple's divorce became final in late June; an uncontested divorce filed in Guam by Danny Shelton, naming Linda as respondent, according to divorce papers obtained by Adventist Today, Linda's dismissal in June was followed immediately by an official release by 3ABN's board chairman, Walter Thompson, to the effect that Linda Shelton had chosen to go a 'different direction' from her husband and 3ABN. The release also said that the decision to terminate had come after considerable study and with the assistance of counselors and face-to-face dialog among the parties.

Concurrent with the announcement, staff removed all photographs and references to Linda Shelton from 3ABN's Web site and struck all programs on which she appears from the station's play lists.

Meanwhile, sources close to Linda Shelton characterize her removal as a coup-in-the-works for several months leading up to the June announcement. They acknowledge that in months leading up to her dismissal, she had been heavily involved in the rehabilitation of her adult son, Nathan (by a previous marriage), who reportedly had developed serious drug- and alcohol-dependency problems.

The therapy routine, administered by a Norwegian Seventh-day Adventist physician and financial supporter of 3ABN, reportedly achieved outstanding early results. According to Linda Shelton, in a release posted July 11 on her Web site, rumors that she had engaged in inappropriately intimate activities with her son's therapist began to circulate at 3ABN, leading in large part to her ouster. She vigorously and consistently denies any improper behavior or relationship with the doctor.

At approximately the same time, Johann Thorvaldson, director of 3ABN development in Europe, was removed from his post and has become an advocate for Linda Shelton. Citing provisions of her agreement with 3ABN, Shelton herself so far has refused to speak with reporters regarding her dismissal or future plans. However, at least two releases written in her name (one on e-mail, the other on her Web site) specifically deny that she committed adultery and attribute her fall to the proliferation of false information about her.

Sources close to Linda Shelton cite the 3ABN allegation of 'spiritual adultery' as a factor in her dismissal, a phrase invoked among conservative Christians but not readily definable elsewhere. It appears to mean that the person so accused became overly friendly with, or bonded to, a person other than a spouse. Meanwhile, Danny Shelton's daughter by a previous marriage, Melody, has begun to appear regularly on the air as a co-host with her father.

Linda Shelton's dismissal took viewers across the nation by complete surprise, though careful observers had begun to pick up on-the-air cues more than a year ago that all was not well between Danny and Linda. Danny Shelton has acknowledged to viewers that the couple was undergoing marriage counseling in months leading up to their sudden divorce.

The Linda-and-Danny team had appeared together for nearly 20 years on 3ABN programs, portraying the kind of down-home, simple, Bible-based, devout Christian living they urged their viewers to adopt. That such an apparently devoted Christian couple could divorce so precipitously, amid such allegations of scandal, shocked the 3ABN world.

At least one affiliate manager interviewed by Adventist Today off the record believes that Linda Shelton's removal could benefit 3ABN ministry long-term. This source indicates that 3ABN has been undergoing troubled times, including a historic loss of revenue income in 2003, and that a shake-up at this time could be a new beginning for the maturing ministry. In a mass mailing to all financial supporters, 3ABN has also reflected the view that Linda Shelton's termination represents a time of opportunity.

Meanwhile, the emergence of a brand new 'Hope' satellite network, sponsored by the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists, is attracting a great deal of interest across the nation, leading at least one influential Northwestern broadcaster, Blue Mountain Television, to sever ties with 3ABN as of Sept. 30. Other non-3ABN-owned stations may follow that lead in months to come, with unwelcome implications for 3ABN's bottom line.

All told, it appears likely that the internal disruption caused by the couple's breakup and the loss of 3ABN's monopoly as the sole source of satellite-driven programming for Adventist-oriented stations will combine to produce a less-than-banner year for 3ABN in 2004.

Oddly enough, Shelton herself sees a beneficial outcome, personally, from her termination. Noting on her new Web site that she had become institutionally sheltered by her many years of work at 3ABN, she says she welcomes the opportunity to get out on her own once again, mixing it up in the real world. She continues to portray herself as supportive of 3ABN's grand vision but conveys a sense of relief at severing ties.

Sources close to Linda Shelton indicate that she is now living near 3ABN headquarters in Illinois, in a modest dwelling, and that income sources include royalties from the sale of music she has written and performed and monthly termination payments. They also say that she has agreed not to comment publicly in ways that could be construed as attacks on her former husband and ministry.

She has also reportedly asked her friends to foreswear any such attacks or attempts to vindicate her, though some are now speaking out.

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taco Dec 1, 2008


KrispyKrittr wrote:
It's interesting how cyclical these heresies are. It's almost a "heresy-of-the-month" kinda thing. Last month it was the "there is no Trinity" heresy, this month it's law-bondage Sabbath keeping.
Krispy

Next thing it will be King James Only

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MSeaman Dec 1, 2008

Here we go again......

sermonindex Dec 1, 2008

Next thing it will be King James Only

:-( Can I assume that was an attempt at humor?

Krispy

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BlazedbyGod Dec 2, 2008


KrispyKrittr wrote:
Next thing it will be King James Only

:-( Can I assume that was an attempt at humor?

Krispy

Krispy, I am King James Version Only as well...that, how wonderful we do share and have in common :-)

PS: There is nothing of bondage pertaing to the sabbath of the Lord either-there's no scripture for that.

sermonindex Dec 2, 2008

Blazed... I love ya man, we both know that.

Here's my take on the Sabbath. In principle the Sabbath is something that we should all strive to observe. One day a week where we rest from our work and honor God. I have no problem with that. If we work 7 days a week we'll burn out. Even secular medical experts agree on that. And what a blessing it is to have one day where we do take a break, and spend that day resting and honoring God. (of course we should honor God everyday in everything we do!)

But some get hung up on the day... like SDA's. There are plenty of other things wrong doctrinally with the SDA's, but this is a big one.

Paul made it clear that one man honors one day, another man honors another... and yet someone else may honor everyday as the Sabbath. The day is not important. If someone's work schedule is such that Tuesdays are his free day... then Tuesday it is.

But being fleshly as we are we want to make rules about which day, what time, what you can do on it... it's just like the Pharisees. No difference.

Krispy

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fuehrerbe21 Dec 2, 2008

I would have to agree with Krispy on this one. You have to keep in mind the principal of the Sabbath. If it has to be Tuesday, then so be it. God does know the hearts and minds of all men.

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BlazedbyGod Dec 2, 2008


KrispyKrittr wrote:
Blazed... I love ya man, we both know that.

Here's my take on the Sabbath. In principle the Sabbath is something that we should all strive to observe. One day a week where we rest from our work and honor God. I have no problem with that. If we work 7 days a week we'll burn out. Even secular medical experts agree on that. And what a blessing it is to have one day where we do take a break, and spend that day resting and honoring God. (of course we should honor God everyday in everything we do!)

But some get hung up on the day... like SDA's. There are plenty of other things wrong doctrinally with the SDA's, but this is a big one.

Paul made it clear that one man honors one day, another man honors another... and yet someone else may honor everyday as the Sabbath. The day is not important. If someone's work schedule is such that Tuesdays are his free day... then Tuesday it is.

But being fleshly as we are we want to make rules about which day, what time, what you can do on it... it's just like the Pharisees. No difference.

Krispy

Krispy, the thing is, Rom 14:5 when Paul is talking about how one man esteems one day and another man another day, the thing is, he is talking about just that-days that MEN esteem. But the sabbath is not a day that man has esteemed, it is the day that God himself esteemed-and there is a difference.

Paul in Rom 14:5 is talking about things like, if I want to fast today I can, but if you want to fast tomorrow unto the Lord-you can-and the Lord will receive both. Howerver, Paul himself, is not talking about sabbath-the sabbath has nothing to do with his discourse in Rom 14. Let me give you a better example. I am going to post some verses and you tell me who is esteeming the day in these verses: God or man:

Genesis 2:1-Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 [b]And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it[/b]: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Is that man esteeming the seventh day, or God?

Ex 20:10 - [b]But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God[/b]: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 - For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, [b]and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it[/b].

Is this man esteeming the seventh day, or God. Who blessed the sabbath day and hallowed it-God or man?

Exodus 31:17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel FOR EVER: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, [b]and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed[/b].

Is this man esteemning the seventh day as the day or rest, or God?

Exodus 35:2 Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you [b]an holy day, a sabbath of rest TO THE LORD[/b]: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death.

Did the children of Israel choose the sabbath as the holy day, or did God choose that day?

Are SDA a cult and full of false doctrine, yes of course, but I am not SDA and do not hold to SDA'ism. They believe in sabbath, and so do I because it is in the Scripture.

Jesus Christ is my Lord-and my Lord said he is "Lord also of the sabbath DAY"

sermonindex Dec 2, 2008

Doesn't scripture teach that the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath? When you say Christians should observe the Sabbath, and observe it on Saturday, you are in essence saying that man was made for the Sabbath... the exact opposite of what Jesus taught.

The Sabbath was made to serve man, not be a master.

Krispy

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BlazedbyGod Dec 2, 2008


KrispyKrittr wrote:
Doesn't scripture teach that the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath? When you say Christians should observe the Sabbath, and observe it on Saturday, you are in essence saying that man was made for the Sabbath... the exact opposite of what Jesus taught.

The Sabbath was made to serve man, not be a master.

Krispy

Krispy, I am not, and in no way saying that man was made for the sabbath. The sabbath was made for man, and man was made for God.

God gave the sabbath to his people as a blessing, not some sort of burden that people always refer to it as:

Exodus 16:29 See , for that the LORD [b]hath GIVEN you the sabbath[/b], therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.

Exodus 16:23 And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said , To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath UNTO the LORD

The sabbath was made for man, because God gave it to man as a blessing of his rest and finish work of his glorious creation. The sabbath was made FOR man, but it is holy UNTO God (not man)

Paul was a christian, a truest one in the fullest extent........and he observed the sabbath, as well as all the christian church of scripture.

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Miccah Dec 2, 2008


BlazedbyGod wrote:



Paul was a christian, a truest one in the fullest extent........and he observed the sabbath, as well as all the christian church of scripture.


[u][b]Luke 6:1-5 (NKJV)[/b][/u]

Now it happened on the second Sabbath after the first that He went through the grainfields. [b]And His disciples plucked the heads of grain and ate them, rubbing them in their hands. And some of the Pharisees said to them, “Why are you doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath?”[/b] But Jesus answering them said, “Have you not even read this, what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him: how he went into the house of God, took and ate the showbread, and also gave some to those with him, which is not lawful for any but the priests to eat?” And He said to them, “The Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.”


Looks like your statement is not accurate, unless of course you try to make the arguement that His disciples are not considered Christians...

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White_Stone Dec 2, 2008

Concerning: "Paul was a christian, a truest one in the fullest extent........and he observed the sabbath, as well as all the christian church of scripture."

Paul himself said 1Cor:9:22: . . . . I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.

It is uncertain why this discussion is still continuing when the subject was clearly answered by Old Joe on the other Sabbath thread. So much dispute over this can prove discouraging to the guests viewing the forum (as this post is typed there are 36 guests). It could be they are searching for communion with other believers.

Please try and come together and move forward onto the target we all strive towards - Eternity with our Lord Jesus.

humbly, white stone

sermonindex Dec 2, 2008

My contention is not that we shouldn't observe the Sabbath. My contention is when people turn it into a law, and judge other believers by the law. (I'm not saying thats what you are doing) My contention is when people say that observing it on Saturday is a mandate, or even Sunday for that matter.

We are saved by grace, not by keeping the Sabbath. I know you believe this, but there are those who will questions someone's salvation if they dont observe the Sabbath the exact same way as they do.

Also... ever notice how Sunday is usually ANYTHING but a day of rest for most Christians? Especially for families... families with lots of kids. Before we walked away from the so-called "traditional church" we found Sunday to be the most stressful day of the week. Get the kids up, get them ready, late for Sunday School... get back home, finally get dinner on the table around 2pm, get the dishes finished around 3:30... plop down on the couch for an hour before ya gotta get supper ready (usually leftovers)... run out the door for church again... get home around 9pm and at that point it's past the kid's bedtimes.

Not restful.

One of the many reasons we walked away.

Krispy

sermonindex Dec 2, 2008

Please try and come together and move forward onto the target we all strive towards - Eternity with our Lord Jesus.

Blaze and I are brothers and friends in the Lord. There is absolutely no animosity between us... We're simply discussing this.

Relax. :-)

Krispy

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