Message to the USA Church

I am posting this for your own discernment. Please pray about this message. I do not know of this man personally, but I do know that the Lord has been giving me the same type of message over the last 2 1/2 years. This came from Andrew Strom's mailing list.-----------------------"PROPHETIC MESSAGE to the USA CHURCH"-by Sadhu Sundar Selvaraj (-prophet from India).Delivered to the church in St. Louis, June 2002.Don't you believe any of the false prophets who preached to you after 9/11 saying it was not a judgment of God.... Two days before 9/11 happened, a dear friend of mine, a very saintly prophet of God, was taken up in the spirit to Heaven. And while he stood before the presence of the Almighty God, the Lord Jesus Christ called forth for a mighty, powerful angel. He came and stood before the Lord Jesus Christ. And a fiery torch was given to this angel. As soon as the angel held the torch, he became enflamed (engulfed) with fire from the crown of his head to the sole of his feet. And then, the command was given to the angel, GO FORTH! And cast this fire down upon the nations of the world. And the angel and this prophet came down, and they stood in the mid-heavens. And the angel told him, now see what happens. And the angel took the fiery torch in his hand and cast down fires in several parts of the earth. And when the fires were thrown, the angel told him, From now onward, there will be bombings, fires and destructions in many, many nations around the world. That (vision) was (given to this prophet) on the seventh of September (of 2001). On the eighth of September, when he was conducting a fasting and prayer meeting in his church, the same angel came and stood by his side again, and repeated into his ear, audibly, word for word, every event that he saw the previous day. And the angel commanded him, Now, declare to your church everything that you saw and you heard. And with great fear and trembling, he shared what he saw and what he heard. And they all prayed. Several days later came the judgment upon America. It was not an ordinary terrorist attack. If you read in the Old Testament, the five books of Moses, every time Israel would go away, go astray from the commandments and laws of God, the Bible says very clearly, God will turn her enemies against her. The hornets and the wild beasts will be let loose to come and create havoc in the land of Israel among the Israelites. If God can do that to the chosen nation, the chosen people, how much more YOU? God removed his protective cover, removed his protective hand, because you constantly turned your back against the Almighty God. I was supposed to speak with you about the crucified life, as Imentioned last night. But today, as I was here during the worship service, an angel of the Lord came and stood before me, and he told me to do something else. That is what is happening right now. Exodus 34:5 onwards..."And the Lord passed by before Him andproclaimed, The Lord, the Lord God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering and abundant in goodness and truth. Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin. And that will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquities of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, to the third and to the fourth generation." Please observe the last part in verse seven, "visiting the iniquities of the fathers upon the children and upon the children's children unto the third and fourth generation. I came well prepared to continue preaching on the crucified life. But as we were deeply worshiping the Lord, I saw the chief prince angel over the nation of the United States of America. He came and stood before me. I first began seeing chief prince angels of nations when I went to South Africa. That was the first time that I ever saw a chief prince angel that is in charge of overlooking the affairs of an entire nation. And he gave me a word concerning the nation, concerning the will of God, and what God's purpose is for the nation. From then onwards, for the many, many nations that I would go to, the respectiveangels of those nations would come to me and give me a word for the nation: what is God's word, what does God think about the nation, what has been happening in the nation, in the churches, and what is going to come to pass. So when the angel of the United States of America came and stood before me, I tremble and quake every time I see an angel of a nation, I always tremble and quake in my heart, because of the awesome anointing and authority they have. When he came and stood before me, he told me, An awesome judgment is going to come upon America very soon. An awesome judgment. When he spoke, I felta fear, a Godly fear running through my bones and my spirit. This is not a judgment that would destroy the entire nation, but something quite similar to what happened with the twin towers. But, it can all be prevented, IF RIVERS OF INTERCESSION flow in the nation. This is the word that he told me to speak. And I saw, that if you will take this seriously and pray, a huge river flowing all throughout the center of your country. If it flows - a river of tears, rivers of intercession (and as the angel was speaking, I saw this huge white river flowing from the east to the west)-- only that would prevent this judgment that could come. And then I saw this angel, where he was positioned and where he was standing, guarding over the United States of America. He was standingvery near to where the Statue of Liberty is. A huge, gigantic angel! If you read in Revelation, chapter ten, it is written, John saw an angel so huge and mighty that one of his legs was on the earth, the other leg was on the sea, and he stretched out his hand and he reached to the sun. Can you imagine what a gigantic figure he must have been? Probably as tall as the Sears tower or the former World Trade Center. Such a huge, gigantic angel standing guard over the United States of America! My dearly beloved brothers and sisters, as he was speaking these words, he said this is the word that you should preach tonight. And then I saw the heavens open, and from the throne of God, this word came to me: Visiting the iniquities of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children unto the third and to the fourth generation. The judgments of God. Don't you believe any of the false prophets who preach to you after 9/11 saying, it was not a judgment of God. I tell you, as a non-American, and as a holy prophet of God, what happened was a judgment from God.... You know, when I first came to America, in 1991, on the fourth of July, your Independence Day, I was in a conference scheduled to speak. As I was worshiping the Lord, I saw the heavens open before me, and the Lord Jesus Christ stood there, and He told me,"Now I am going to give you a word for this nation." Among the three things that He showed me, they all have come to pass, but I will tell you one thing that concerns you right now: I saw the flag of America. -- You know, I have never seen a people like the Americans, who love their nation so much, and who are so patriotic about their great nation. That is good. When I traveled in your country, I used to see these huge, gigantic flags that fly so majestically in some parts of the country. I feel very proud, as if I myself was an American. The same American flag, I saw in the heavens. But instead of flying in the right direction, it was flying in the reverse direction. And the Lord Jesus Christ was standing at the flag and knocking on the flag. And as He was knocking, I saw the words, LAST CALL flashing. Last Call was flashing and flashing. Then the word of the Lord came unto me, "This nation -- the flag that you see flying in the reverse direction is the heart of this nationthat has turned away from righteousness, and is walking toward unrighteousness. She has turned her back towards Me. Yet, I am still calling her. Last call, last call, last call. And for the three months that I was in the U.S. during that period, every church and every conference that I went to, I was commanded to share this vision. And ask the American people to pray for your country. But you know, I was very aghast to notice that the Americans, especially American Christians, take very lightly such words, because you think that the non-Christian Americans deserve God's judgment. You really don't love your country. You think you love your country, but deep down in your heart, you don't really love your country. You have such a self-righteous attitude, thinking that the non-Christiansdeserve the judgment of God, and you deserve Heaven. Don't you think that when the twin towers came down, many Christians also perished? When the economy of New York City came to a standstill, how many Christians also suffered economic losses, job layoffs. Thirty-thousand Indians working in New York City were sent back home. Overnight, 30,000 Indians lost their jobs. They came back home, among them, many Christians. They wrote to me for prayer. When the judgment of God comes, remember: even the righteous may have to suffer. When God's judgments came upon Israel, and she was taken captive to Babylon, righteous Daniel was among them! He was a captive. When Israel was under the captivity of another foreign nation, righteous Jeremiah was there! RighteousNehemiah was there. The righteous saints also go into the captivity! Don't you forget that. Don't forget that. You have been duped by all the false teachers and false prophets in your country, deluding you and deceiving you into thinking that no matter what happens, you will always be protected. As a result, you are suffering from spiritual lethargy, hearing only that which you want to hear and switching off when you don't want to hear. You know, of you it is written in the Bible, "those who have itching ears, only wanting tohear pleasant words." My dear brothers and sisters, the judgments of God are real. The countdown has begun. You know, India and Pakistan came this close to an all-out nuclear war. If the war took place, the whole of Pakistan would have been wiped out. Four northern states in India would have been wiped out. And the defense analysts predicted that Pakistan would have been uninhabitable for thirty years because of the nuclear dust that would be hanging over the country. The whole of north India would have been wiped out. Nepal would be wiped out. Tibet would be affected. They came this close to an all-out nuclear war. Somehow, God spared us. My dear brothers and sisters, if you read the Holy Bible, forget about church doctrines, forget about vain traditions and teachings of men who only want to bilk you out of your money. I am declaring to you the oracles of God right now. From Genesis to Revelation, if you read the Holy Bible, it shows very clearly two things: redemptive judgment. God judges! Because He is a good God. From the garden of Eden all the way up to the book of Revelation, you will see these two themes: love and judgment. Not just love and love, and bless me and bless me. This is how your prophets and teachers are teaching you today. And they have not only corrupted the American church, they are corrupting the Indian church. They are corrupting the Eastern church, they're corrupting the African church and they're corrupting the European church. It (unbalanced teaching) has been exported!... Many people teach, If you are once saved, you are forever saved. That is a teaching from the pit of hell. Once saved is not forever saved. (Technically, I do believe that, but not practically.) Not from the viewpoint of God, because it is written in Matthew 24:13, "He that endures until the end, only HE shall be saved." Enduring until the end! Lot's wife did not endure until the end. As she was on the road to redemption, she left behind her heart in Sodom and Gomorrah. Her heart pulled her back. And she turned and she saw, SAVED but then suddenly DESTROYED! Don't be deceived! I tell you one more time with great love and all humility, don't be deceived that once saved is always saved. Don't be deceived that just because you are a tongue-talking Christian that you will be saved and caught up in the rapture. Don't be deceived. He that endures until the end, only he shall be saved. Look at the story of Nineveh. Jonah went there, preaching. It took three days to walk around the whole city. For three days, he was crying out, "REPENT! If not, then in forty days you will be destroyed!" From the king to the animals, they all fasted for forty days. They repented in sackcloth. God's heart was moved with compassion. Judgment was delayed, but Nineveh was eventually destroyed because she only repented for a season, like you (America).After 9/11, the whole nation appeared holy and repentant for a season. Now you are back to normal. You are back to your filth. You are back to your corruption, you are back to your sins. You have forgotten the repentance you did after 9/11. The vows you have made unto the living God after 9/11, you have forgotten! The altars that you had repaired after 9/11, you have forgotten! And they are back in ruins again! The Scriptures say, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever." My spirit shall not strive with man forever. Now come with me to the New Testament, in Luke, chapter nineteen. The Lord Jesus Christ looks at the city of Jerusalem, His beloved city, His own city, He has no other city except Jerusalem. He looked at the city, and He beat His face and He cried, and cried and cried. No one had ever seen the Lord Jesus crying like that before. This was even before He cried at Lazarus's tomb. He was beating His face, beating his breast and crying bitterly. Why? Because the very people for whom He came, as the very personification of redemption, they were going to reject the Messiah. And what would result from that rejection? Judgment. The Lord Jesus predicted, "Oh Jerusalem, you are going to be destroyed! They are going to siege you around! You are going to be utterly destroyed! Your city will be burned, you will become ashes!" He cried, like a mother crying for her baby. Thirty-three and a half years after the Lord Jesus Christ was crucified, Jerusalem was burned to ashes. Not one time, but three times, the city was burned to ashes. My dear brothers and sisters, did she repent?

Part 2 - "PROPHETIC MESSAGE to the USA CHURCH" .-by Sadhu Sundar Selvaraj (-prophet from India).Delivered to the church in St. Louis, June 2002. America is good. A good nation, a giving nation, a helpful nation. And at the same time, a prideful, arrogant nation. She thinks that she has become great by the power and strength of her own might. She has forgotten that it is the Lord God that has lifted you up, blessed you, made you strong and mighty, but you have forgotten your creator. Look at the Book of Revelation, chapter two and three, the seven messages to the seven churches that were existing at the time. None of them, except the church in Smyrna, received a (good) word from the Lord Jesus Christ. The rest of the six churches were receiving conditional judgment. If they repented, it would be well and good. If not, the Lord said (to one particular church), "I will remove your candlestick and you will be destroyed." I was once preaching in a charismatic church in Singapore. The pastor invited me to his house for Christmas Day dinner. Together with me were his two church elders. After dinner, before I left, he said, please bless our family before you leave. I stood to pray for his family. And the Lord Jesus Christ came and stood beside me and said, "For three years, I have been coming to his church and looking for fruits, and none are bearing. Right now, I am going tocut this tree." Then I fell on my knees, and I interceded for the church. For twenty-five minutes, I cried to the Lord. "No Lord, please don't. Please don't. Spare them Lord for one more year. The Lord Jesus heard my prayer and He said, "Because you asked, I will spare them for one more year." After the prayer, I called the pastor privately and I told him this word (from the Lord). And I totally forgot about this entire event. But, 365 days later, exactly to the day, the Lord Jesus Christ appeared to me and He said, "The one year is up." I totally forgot about it. He came and reminded me. "The one year is up. And during that one year, she did not bear any fruit. NOW, the reapers will go and will cut the tree." From the moment the Lord Jesus spoke that word, I saw the tree of this church withering day by day, by day. Today, it does not exist. Even the pastor is no more the pastor of the church. The church totally closed up. This is just one example that I have told you. I could tell you examples of many other churches where the Lord came and removed the candlestick from the other churches. (Another) church with whom I had a very close affiliation, it's like I was a mother giving birth to the church (I gave birth to the church). But the very mother who gave birth to the church, -the very mother-, had to use a dagger to stab her, like Abraham did. One day when I was in their church, the Lord Jesus appeared to me and He said, "I am going to remove their candlestick." When I told this to the pastor, he laughed at me. He said, "Brother, we are in the New Testament. We are under grace. How would God ever do like (what you have just said)?" I looked at him and I said, "If I am a true prophet of God, and if that word truly came from God, it will come to pass." And I shook off the dust off my feet that day, and I never went back to that church again. But one year later, the candlestick was removed from the church. And that church is no more in existence. My dear brothers and sisters, donâ't take your salvation for granted. Don't take your freedom for granted. Don't take the mercy of Godfor granted. Don't take the redemptive grace of God for granted. Several years ago, I was preaching at a conference in Sydney, Australia. You know the city of Sydney is exactly like the city of San Francisco. The very sins in San Francisco are the very sins in Sydney. The very sins that you see in New York City are the very sins in Perth. Two identical cities, on the east and west coast in your nation are the same (in these spiritual respects) cities inAustralia, east and west coast. They are always gateway cities. While I was there, one evening an awesome angel came and stood before me. I am usually never fearful in the midst of angels, except when I started seeing the chief princes of nations. But that particular angel, when he stood before me, I trembled and quaked like a leaf. And he had like a bowl in his hand. And he looked at me with a fierce look in his eyes, and he said, "I am one of the two angels that was sent out to spy Sodom and Gomorrah. And I have been sent here to spy out the city and pour this vial of judgment upon the city." Only then I understood why I was trembling. With fear, I fell on my face before God. I prayed and prayed for the city of Sydney. I said, "Lord, not now. There is still three more days for the conference, Lord. I will gather all the Christians to repent for Sydney, to pray for this nation." For a long time I was lying on my face. Finally, thecountenance on the angel's face changed. He became calmer, and he said, "I am leaving now for a season." And he left. That night I went to the conference. Seven hundred people had come, andI shared with them what I saw. All the 700 people fell down on their faces before God. For forty-five minutes -- there was no message that evening -- for forty-five minutes, they were all crying, beating their faces, beating their breasts, and beating the floors. The whole auditorium was reverberating and echoing with their tears and with their cries. Everyone from the oldest to the youngest were on their faces before God. My dear brothers and sisters, I tell you one more truth today. As the chief prince angel of the United States ofAmerica stood before me, he said, Like the angels that went out to spy out Sodom and Gomorrah, a host of angels are walking the length and breadth of your country, spying out the land in a similar manner to how the two angels did (at Sodom)." I tell you, when the white missionaries go to the East and to Africa to preach, we hear the gospel. We turn away from our millions of gods of wood and stone, and we turn back to worship the true and living God. But the gods we give up, you are now embracing, and you are bowing down and worshiping them. So who is the greater heathen, tell me? The nations in the East? No way! Because we are turning back to the righteous God. And the supposedly Christian nation is becoming a heathen nation where you have all kinds of abomination. You know,none of the Muslim nations in the Middle East will allow (except for Bahrain, Kuwait and United Arab Emirates, except for these three countries) -- the rest of the countries would never allow a Christian church in their nation. The largest Muslim mosque outside the Middle East is in the United Kingdom. In fact, the headquarters for their European operation and American operation is in the United Kingdom, a supposedly Christian nation. And the churches in the U.K. open their doors to allow the Muslims to come in and use their very premises for the propagation of Islam. Would they (Muslim countries) do that? They will not even allow you (to practice openly in their country). They consider Christians infidels. They will not even allow us into their churches. They will not allow us to build churches in their nations. Whereas, we, in the name of the FirstAmendment, -- you know, your very freedom has become your curse. The very First Amendment that you use to promote 'freedom of speech' has become your very curse. That's what the gays are now using. The First Amendment. We (the gays, in this case) have the right to speak what we want, and you (the church) cannot disagree with us. Your freedom, your liberty, has become your curse. My dear brothers and sisters, unless you weep for your nation, great judgment is going to come. Unless rivers of intercession flow in your nation, unless tears of repentance flow from your eyes, flow from your churches and water this nation, judgments have been pronounced. You know, there is a certain group of angelic beings called the Watchers. We only read about them in one book of the Bible. The book of Daniel, chapter four, verses 13 and 23. This specific group of angelic beings are in charge of executing and overseeing the plans of God and judgments of God over each nation. At their command, they can execute judgment. I was in the nation of Indonesia in 1998, just after the fall of a dictator that ruled that nation for thirty-two years. On the first day that I was in that nation, the chief prince angel over Indonesia entered into my room, and he said, "Whatever has happened in this nation has been decreed and ordered by the watchers in Heaven. They decreed and they said, let there be achange." And overnight, the dictator of thirty-two years was overthrown. Overnight -- it did not happen over a long period of time. Overnight, he was overthrown -- decreed by the Watchers. The same decree has been passed. However, -- you know, when a person is sentenced to death, he can have one last final appeal to the president. Do you have this in your country? We have this (law) there. It is called the "President's pardon". If the President chooses to pardon, the person sentenced to die can (have their sentence reduced) to life in prison. You (America) are in that stage (or situation) right now, and your only appeal is to the Heavenly Father. The final pardon is in His hands. If not (if the church in America does not give enough intercession and weeping), 9/11 was just a sample. It will be repeated and repeated.My dear brothers and sisters, God loves you. If he did not love you, an angel would not have come to give that word. Let me tell you today how God works. If He wants to execute a judgment, He will just carry it out without informing His prophets. He would do that. Why does He tell His prophets? Amos 3:7-8- "God will not do anything before He tells His prophets." Why? So that they will pray. God wanted to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah, but why tellAbraham beforehand? So that he would intercede and pray for the salvation of Lot. He (Lot) was under the same curse. He (God) could have just destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. Why inform Abraham first? Even today, God follows this same principle. Why is God informing you? So that you can be saved. So that you will repent. So that you will cry out to God. So that His entire pronouncement can be overturned, and mercy can come upon your nation. You know, it is not so much God's wrath, but the hardnessof your hearts, the hardness and sins in your hearts that must be changed, and the nation will turn back from unrighteousness to righteousness. You have an awesome call upon your nation. You know, the symbol of your nation, a flying eagle, was not chosen by your forefathers by accident. An eagle is a Heavenly bird. It's supposed to be up there in the heavenlies with God, not down onthe ground like a vulture, eating flesh. But you, the mighty eagle, have now become an ugly, flesh-eating vulture. The church is no better. The standards of the world have crept into the church. Are you pure? What is the difference between you and the world? You are called to be separate. You are called to be peculiar. What is so peculiar about you if your lifestyle is exactly the same as the world? What is so peculiar? Why then should non-believing Americans get saved? Why? When the church is stinking, why should they get saved? That is the reason why many are embracing Islam. They areembracing Buddhism. Did you know, let me tell you truth, Buddhism is the fastest growing religion in North America. Not Christianity, which is decreasing in size. The church in Europe is decreasing in size. Islam is the fastest growing religion in Europe. What's happening to you? The church is growing in the East. The church is growing in Africa. But you are shrinking. Why? Because (your lack of loyalty or fidelity to the teachings of Christ) stinks. Tell me now in all honesty. Do you think that you deserve the grace of God? You don't. Do you honestly believe, as you see your own condition better than I do, do you honestly think that you deserve themercy of God? No. Yet, God is good God. His mercy endures forever. (The passage in Scripture states), "The Lord, God is good, merciful, forgiving, merciful to a thousand generations." In the many names of God that are mentioned in Scripture, three times it talks about His goodness. Only one time it says that He will judge, which means His goodness is three times greater than His judgment. My dearly beloved American brothers and sisters, the Lord Jesus Christ loves you very much. But He cannot accept a corrupted church. He loves you. If not, this meeting would not have been held. He loves you very much. But He cannot accept a compromising church. He loves you, but He cannot accept deceiving teachers, and lying prophets. But the wheat and tares have been allowed to grow at the same time. He has allowed it, patiently waiting, hoping against all hope that you will repent. Every little judgment that He sends to you, hoping against all hope that you will repent. But you are not. Youknow, I fear that your fate will be as exactly what happened to Jerusalem. The Lord Jesus said, "Prophets after prophets were sent to you, Jerusalem. Instead of embracing them, you stoned them to death. And (as) the final prophet, I am coming. You have not known the hour of your visitation, oh Jerusalem. And now, therefore, the hour is coming when you will be sieged all around, and you will be desolate." What would you like to choose? Let's all bow our head for a word of prayer. What will you choose? Will you cause a river of intercession to flow in your nation? Will you cause a river of intercession to flow in your nation? Or are you going to just sit here and let this word run down your back like water on a duck's back? Can God count on you? Can all the hosts of Heaven count on you that you will intercede? That you will weep like Jeremiah? Can He count on you? If you are willing, get up from your seats right now, and fall down on your face before God. And lift up your heart and cry for your nation now! Lift up your hearts and cry for your nation now! Lift up your heart and cry for your nation. Oh, America, oh beautiful America, won't you repent? Tear you heart! Tear your heart! And cry for your country! I am not asking you to cry for India! Cry for your own nation! Tear your heart. Cry out to Him for His mercy! Tell Him, "We have sinned Lord! We have sinned, Lord. We have turned our backs against you, God!" Cry out to Him. Cry out to Him now! Let the rivers of intercession flow now Oh you daughters ofAmerica, let your tears flow now, let your tears flow. Cast away your good-for-nothing pride! Cast away your pride. Your military might is nothing before God. Cast away your arrogance. Cast away your sexual sin! Cry, cry, takes (America's) sins onto your shoulders, and cry now. Let your tears flow like rivers now. Let your tears flow like rivers. The children in the East arerepenting and turning back to righteousness. Oh My children in America, will you be destroyed? Will you perish, while they who are sitting in darkness are turning back to righteousness and light? Oh ye, that were of light and sitting in the light, why have you embraceddarkness? Why have you allowed your understanding to be darkened? Why have your beauties turned into corruption? Cry out to Him. Cry out to Him now. The Spirit of Christ is telling me now; the only way that righteousness can spring up in this nation is if the church will turn back to righteousness. And she will weep and sow righteousness into the land. Oh you daughters of America, don't just mechanically pray. Don't just pray because I asked you to pray. Tear your heart! Tear you inner heart! And turn back to God with weeping, with fasting, with repentance. Turn back to God! (Spirit of grace and spirit of supplication, come and abide in us!)[Forty-five minutes or so of weeping and intercession is offered. Then Sadhu Sundar Selvaraj returned to offer these additional words]: The angel over the United States of America is still standing here. And he showed me that all your intercession (just offered) is just a drop in the bucket that he has in his hand. And the word of the Lord that has just come to me is this, "If My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, seek My face and pray, and turn back from their wicked ways, I will hear their prayers, I will forgive their sins and I willheal their land." Lift up your hands to God, America.

Hi ChaninI don't know whether it is appropriate for an outsider to comment on these prophecies but I have to say I find no place for them in my spirit.

I agree with Bro. Ron to the extent that I do not like it when I hear so called, "prophets." So in this case I read through this message with that attitude. I must say though, that inside the borders of this nation- the essense of this message is definately right on. Backslidden America has found no place for this message. God is sending warning after warning after warning to this nation. The more the trumpet blows in Zion (as it were) the deeper the slumber becomes. The urgency that I have felt in this land is increasing by the day. I read the entire work. It is nothing new. Talking about angels and the Lord appearing is heavy stuff and my immediate reaction is to repulse; but all must understand that in America this nation is destined for the very flames of Hell if she don't TURN back to God, and TURN fast. Nothing would surprise me anymore. Again, I must say I have always prided myself (humbly of coarse ;) in not giving heed to prophets, dreams, visions and the like. I always seen these people as being from Flakesville. I am from Missouri (the 'show me' state). :-) This year has been different. Since 2004 began- God has been taking extraordinary steps to gain my attention and keep it. Things have gotten very very serious in my neck of the woods. I would not expect anyone beyond the borders of this nation to see or feel the truth of God's judgment hanging over our heads. The true Christians I talk to all agree that we feel this urgency in our spirit. Lift up your hearts and cry for your nation now!Lift up your heart and cry for your nation. Oh, America, oh beautifulAmerica, won't you repent? Tear you heart! Tear your heart! Andcry for your country! I am not asking you to cry for India! Cry foryour own nation! Tear your heart. Cry out to Him for His mercy! TellHim, "We have sinned Lord! We have sinned, Lord. We have turnedour backs against you, God!" Cry out to Him. Cry out to Him now!Let the rivers of intercession flow now Oh you daughters ofAmerica, let your tears flow now, let your tears flow.Could these be the words of a false prophet? If they are false they are more good than what is going across the pulpits of our lands. We see false prophets proclaiming prosperity and every vile thing. Let these men who have the boldness to call this nation to repent fearlessly to speak in our churches. Let them sound the call. God will use a willing vessel. Would to God that He raise up thousands of Whitefields, Wesleys, Edwards, and Finneys. Or better yet, men suited for the wickedness of our times. Men that may well need a much greater walk with God than has been needed in 2000 years. We need some John the Baptist's in this nation and we need them fast.God Bless,-Robert

I do know that this "prophet" is not one of the ones who are in the "prophetic community" as we know it. This is very similar even to what David Wilkerson has been saying. Yes, Robert, it is nothing new really (except for some people who are not aware and go along with the notion that God will always bless America because it is a christian nation- ha ha)Also, from all of the things the Lord has shown me and the dreams I have had in these last 2 1/2 years, this goes right along with what this man is saying. The Lord has shown me that this nation is going right along as sodom, He has shown me that we are running the course just as Judah was in Ezekiel 16. These things that the Lord showed me were not something made up or an accident. I didn't even have a clue about any of the Old Testament Prophetrs before I had the dreams, etc...This man is saying what we all should already know about our condition here in America. He is calling us to weep and repent and turn from our ways. Actually many of the things he said here are the same exact things I have written in my journals from the previous years. I only post this now because I have gotten away from this message. I have been to that place and now the Lord has moved me on from that message- but it is always a good reminder of the state we are in in the country.In Him, Chanin

Yes, this message is a hard one to bring to people- even christians. Because the things the Lord has shown me in the past- people want to gnash their teeth at me- which could be why i have pulled away from this type of "judgement" message. Could be just that the Lord is showing me things in different areas instead.It is very rare to hear someone bring a "repent or perish" type message today. When the Lord showed me some of these things- this really got me to quickly come out of my lukewarmness.It does take boldness for a John the Baptist type to bring their message to the public. I see David Wilkerson as one of the few and he is hated by much of the christian community. Surely Wilkerson is not the only one who can bring this message to the church- more need to stand up and risk being doubted and hated and thought of as crazy. This includes myself, i guess. It is defintily more comfortable not addressing these things because people don't give you a hard time any more. :-( In Him, Chanin

I was supposed to speak with you about the crucified life, as I mentioned last nightJust from this I see that this guy is not your normal "prophet" that is in the "prophetic" circles common today.What is the difference between you and the world? You are called to be separate. You are called to be peculiar. What is so peculiar about you if your lifestyle is exactly the same as the world? What is so peculiar? Why then should non-believing Americans get saved? Why? When the church is stinking, why should they get saved? That is the reason why many are embracing Islam. They areembracing Buddhism. Did you know, let me tell you truth, Buddhism is the fastest growing religion in North America. Not Christianity, which is decreasing in size. The church in Europe is decreasing in size. Islam is the fastest growing religion in Europe. What's happening to you? The church is growing in the East. The church is growing in Africa. But you are shrinking. Why? Because (your lack of loyalty or fidelity to the teachings of Christ) stinks. The above says it all.In Him, Chanin

Wow Sister Chanin, thanks for sharing ... Below are a few (((bracketed))) excerpts that stood out in my mind that truly correspond with a message that i recieved from our Lord on 1/7/01, which i'll include a little further below .... The Indian brother states ...((( This is not a judgment that would destroy the entire nation, but something quite similar to what happened with the twin towers. But, it can all be prevented, IF RIVERS OF INTERCESSION flow in the nation. This is the word that he told me to speak. And I saw, that if you will take this seriously and pray, a huge river flowing all throughout the center of your country. If it flows - a river of tears, rivers of intercession (and as the angel was speaking, I saw this huge white river flowing from the east to the west)-- only that would prevent this judgment that could come. )))Well in my view all blessed with unblinded eye, and clear hearing as to what the Spirit is saying to the Church must be prepared for further judgment because it's gonna take even more serious devastation that 9/11 to make both Christ Church and America to bow our knees, let alone gush forth a massive river of repentance before our Lord ... The Indian brother continues ...((( The same American flag, I saw in the heavens. But instead of flying in the right direction, it was flying in the reverse direction. And the Lord Jesus Christ was standing at the flag and knocking on the flag. And as He was knocking, I saw the words, LAST CALL flashing. Last Call was flashing and flashing.Then the word of the Lord came unto me, "This nation -- the flag that you see flying in the reverse direction is the heart of this nation that has turned away from righteousness, and is walking toward unrighteousness.She has turned her back towards Me. Yet, I am still calling her. Last call, last call, last call )))i totally believe and recieve this brothers word as from our Lord, for it's confirmation to what He's been saying to me for some time now ... With me He uses the word "final" ... The Indian brother continues ... ((( But you know, I was very aghast to notice that the Americans, especially American Christians, take very lightly such words, because you think that the non-Christian Americans deserve God's judgment. You really don't love your country. You think you love your country, but deep down in your heart, you don't really love your country. You have such a self-righteous attitude, thinking that the non-Christians deserve the judgment of God, and you deserve Heaven. Don't you think that when the twin towers came down, many Christians also perished? When the economy of New York City came to a standstill, how many Christians also suffered economic losses, job layoffs. )))Now this is the scariest part to me of all that's transpiring today ... we don't even see our sin ... How can a people wake up if they don't even realize their asleep ... Today we think this dream is actually reality ... i have actually watched some saints visibly fight to stay asleep when i've mentioned that a lot of saints had their lives required of them on 9/11 ... The Indian brother continues ... ((( As a result, you are suffering from spiritual lethargy, hearing only that which you want to hear andswitching off when you don't want to hear. You know, of you it is written in the Bible, "those who have itching ears, only wanting to hear pleasant words." My dear brothers and sisters, the judgmentsof God are real. The countdown has begun. )))Ouch!!! ... This brothers statement "the countdown has begun" is the exact same phrase our Lord said to me on1/7/01 = WELCOME TO THE TRUE, NEW MILLENNIUM! .... 2001 .... "THE COUNTDOWN HAS BEGUN"EVENTS OF THIS DECADE:FIRST TO THE CHURCH ..... The Church of Jesus Christ, from Pentecost up until (313 AD) the time of the Roman church's usurpation of the leadership of the Holy Spirit, was a "do right" Church. It was not concerned with "grand edifices", but with the lowly individual human being as "temple" - and the welfare of the poor. It was not concerned with "pomp", but more eager to "pump" the life changing message of the Lord Jesus Christ. It's only interest in "circumstance" was "Are you saved" ? ... and "do you know Jesus"? And the only "ceremony" that held it's interest was that of "baptism", and the keeping of the "Last Supper" sacrament. After Satan's deception of the Body of Christ (via the vanities of men) into/thru a 1200 year period of spiritual darkness (The Dark Ages - 313 to 1525 AD), the Lord eventually called Martin Luther as His "protest-ant reformer". Since the time of his nailing the "95 THESIS" (1517 AD) to the church of Rome's door, the Body of Christ has been on a long, slow road back to recovery! Even though in our illness we have gained countless souls over the centuries (for the Word of God never returns unto Him void), we've since been on the mission of a "get right" Church! Christ has been waiting all this time for us to "renew our strength"! .... Well guess what! .... God say's, "WE'RE HEALED, so pick up our bed/his cross and walk"!!! .... God is now re-requiring a "do right" Church! He knows that WE are now just "pretending" infirmity, because WE don't really want to bear His cross, by individually speaking up about His Gospel ! ... THIS IS THE FINAL HARVEST! As per Revelation chapters 2 & 3, the Lord is about to "remove angels/pastors" and "candle sticks/individual churches" - "if thou doth not repent"! In other words its either "do right now", or "die right now"! ... spiritually and/or physically. ... And yes there is still "sin unto death", even under grace (1 John: 5:16).... Many pastors are about to be physically called home, so as to be replaced by "those whom God has chosen" to tend His flock. We are about to witness an unprecedented stirring up of the Body of Christ due to the Divine dismissal of "angels/pastors" who are not willing to "repent" to the renewed leadership of the Holy Spirit. And the redistribution (removal of candlesticks) of their sheep, hungry for the undiluted Word, towards relocation into "do right" churches (like that of Philadelphia) under "do right" pastors! .... So if YOU'RE a "do right" pastor, GET READY! ... for both your ministry and your responsibilities are about to skyrocket! (Matt: 25: 28-30) .... And you store front "do right" pastors of poor Smyrna type churches had better start looking for larger digs! ... Then "hold fast that which thou hast, that no man take thy crown"! (Rev. 3:11) Also the imminent chastisements coming on America will force the Body of Christ in America, into a renewed sense of Christian community and sharing (Acts. 2: 44-47 & Act. 4:34). God is not pleased with the palsied effect that socio-economic, racial, doctrinal, and denominational schisms have wracked upon His Body (1 Cor. chapter 12). There is but "one Lord, one faith and one baptism"! (Eph . 4: 1-6). And we are all "equally" joint heirs in Christ(Rom. 8:17). Let me make this analogy. We are not to be like the harlot that rides the back of the beast. We are not to be soft, puffy and bloated with the excesses of the warnings of 1 John 2: 15 & 16. WE ARE THE BRIDE OF CHRIST! Christ is coming back for a glorious Bride, one trim enough to don our soon coming wedding gown of glory! ..... There will be no signs of carnal overindulgences on the body of a Bride, fresh from being toned by the work in the field of her Lords final harvest .... REPENT!EVENTS OF THIS NEXT DECADE:....THEN TO THE NATIONS At this point the stench of America's wickedness toward God has caused Him to turn His face from her. Even her continuous support of Israel will not keep her from experiencing in this decade the woes already stored up. A serious decline in her ability to control other nations governmental and military policies is about to befall her. And she will become increasingly impotent in being able to manipulate the rest of the globe, because of United Nations overrules. America is also about to pay for her sins by having to endure an escalatinging barrage of serious financial, social, natural, and terroristic disasters. Unprecedented and horrific, they shall cause fear and trembling! America is about to suffer want and need, as chastisement for her immorality and greed! ... REPENT! The EC (European Community) will emerge as the dominant financial global force, and the Euro will replace the dollar as the worlds most valued currency. This is necessary for the fulfillment of the prophecies of Daniel, and the Apostle John. The Arabic/Islamic nations will finally unite, form a Federation, and become a power within themselves. This is necessary for the fulfillment of the prophecies of Daniel, and the Apostle John. Russia will increasingly become a self serving opportunistic nation, supporting those in the UN to it's own best advantage. While all of her once dominated Islamic satellite nations will attach themselves to the newly formed Arabic/Islamic Federation. All Islamic countries from Eastern Europe to the far East will do so. This is the word (i believe) i recieved from our Lord eight months prior to 9/11, and i can tell you that all it's distribution got me was riducule (oh there he goes again) and/or prayer (for deliverance from my hyper-faith) ... The Indian brother also stated ...((( After 9/11, the whole nation appeared holy and repentant for a season. Now you are back to normal. You are back to your filth. You are back to your corruption, you are back to your sins. You have forgotten the repentance you did after 9/11. The vows you have made unto the living God after 9/11, you have forgotten! The altars that you had repaired after 9/11, you have forgotten! And they are back in ruins again! The Scriptures say, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever." My spirit shall not strive with man forever. )))Hmmmm ... i often wonder what's it gonna take to wake up America ... Sarin gas in our subways? ... The tactical nuking say of N.Y., Philadelphia and/or Baltimore? ... What's it gonna take to bring us to our knees ... The Indian brother continues ...((( The standards of the world have crept into the church. Are you pure? What is the difference between you and the world? You are called to be separate. You are called to be peculiar. What is so peculiar about you if your lifestyle is exactly the same as the world? What is so peculiar? Why then should non-believing Americans get saved? Why? When the church is stinking, why should they get saved? That is the reason why many are embracing Islam. They are embracing Buddhism. Did you know, let me tell you truth, Buddhism is the fastest growing religion in North America. Not Christianity, which is decreasing in size. The church in Europe is decreasing in size. Islam is the fastest growing religion in Europe. What's happening to you? The church is growing in the East. The church is growing in Africa. But you are shrinking. Why? Because (your lack of loyalty or fidelity to the teachings of Christ) stinks. )))Double Ouch!!! ... Thank God that He has just recently taken me out of myself to realize that He alone is my/our only Source, Provision, and Power, that He disciplines those that He loves, and most important that He is in total control ... It may not look like it but He has His appointed time for everything, and it seems very evident to me that we're all about to experience His appointed time of judgement ... Thy will be done on earth Lord God, as it already is in heaven ... Amen

Do not follow every voice and do not run after every new revelation as if something extraordinary is produced and presented.Any man with a heart for the things of the Lord understands, without having revelations or dreams, without being "prophetic", that our nations are straying and in fundamental need of a voice preaching repentance covered by intercessors who know what God wants. Lars W.

Sis Chanin you posted:((( I only post this now because I have gotten away from this message. I have been to that place and now the Lord has moved me on from that message-Yes, this message is a hard one to bring to people- even christians. Because the things the Lord has shown me in the past- people want to gnash their teeth at me- which could be why i have pulled away from this type of "judgement" message. Could be just that the Lord is showing me things in different areas instead. )))Well if your road is anything like mine i don't think you made a decision to cease and desist in your "warning" messages, i believe, like myself, our Lord has desisted you ... Right after i delivered the third "word" He'd given me to my pastor/church He said in my spirit, "It is done, I will take it from here" ... I was overjoyed to be done with being one of His instruments of striving with man, but in equal trepidation of what generally happens when the words He speaks thru His prophets are not heeded ... Christian City, especially in America, is in for a shaking, a softening up if you will, and I don't think we'll find our message of "put away all your false idols" so resisted when we're finally sent back to Bethel (God's place, His Church) a second time ... i, and i dare say you also, like Jacob once was, now dwell at a place of rest, Shalem, Schechem, but it's only a regroup place, we'll not be allowed to stay, for we will recieve His call back to Bethel again ... Praise God, i now read, see, hear negative comments about "so called prophets", fruits, flakes and nuts, and i can now honestly say it's like water off a ducks back, for i am nothing, i no longer take it personal, if ridicule, hatred, marginalization and even death was good enough for the fore runners called to my office, especially Christ, then it's certainly good enough for me ... Prophets have been, and always will be concidered weirdos by most, we proclaim, "Fire's coming, fire's coming"! ... but few believe until we're all in the fire ... He has it all under control ... Amen

Any man with a heart for the things of the Lord understands, without having revelations or dreams, without being "prophetic", that our nations are straying and in fundamental need of a voice preaching repentance covered by intercessors who know what God wants. This is true to an extent. But in fairness, the extent is that to which you look and see the need with your eyes and begin to trevail in prayer as God commonly uses men and women of God. But; there is something about God sending you a dream that you know is from Him that will cause you to wake up and PREACH the message of repentance until you are utterly spent. Like FIRE shut up in your bones- you will preach and preach and preach. God will lead you into your prayer closet and call you out to preach. There have been over 30 such dreams sent to people I know and they are all stuff like you would read in the book of Revelation. Stuff that people don't just make up. They are all WARNINGS. When you KNOW that God has visited you in this way there is an urgency that cannot be explained. I have done a fair amount of praying and fasting over the last 10 years I suppose; but when God placed an urgency in me to utterly repent I showed up here at sermonindex. If it were not for a 'prophetic' visitation from God into my life I would not be at this forum and would not be preaching repentance. I would not be burning the candle like I am. The Spirit of God is upon me in a way that will not allow for silence. The pattern is this PRAY and PREACH... PRAY and PREACH. Perhaps I'm a "Finnyite" in this regard. May as well be I suppose; I grew up under his theology. We need the Daniel Nash's- but someone has to be the Charles G. Finney. Someone has to put some legs on their prayers. I would not follow anyone either with revelations- but we better be attuned to this repentance message in America. God Bless,-Robert

"Thus says the Lord of hosts: "Do not listen to the words of the prophets who prophesy to you. They make you worthless; they speak a vision of their own heart, not from the mouth of the Lord. They continually say to those who despise Me, The Lord has said, You shall have peace, and to everyone who walks according to the dictates of his own heart, they say, No evil shall come upon you.For who has stood in the counsel of the Lord, and has perceived and heard His word? Who has marked His word and heard it? Behold, a whirlwind of the Lord has gone forth in fury-- a violent whirlwind! It will fall violently on the head of the wicked. The anger of the Lord will not turn back until He has executed and performed the thoughts of His heart. In the latter days you will understand it perfectly. I have not sent these prophets yet they ran. I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied. But if they had stood in My counsel, and had caused My people to hear My words, Then they would have turned them from their evil way and from the evil of their doings." Jeremiah 23:16-22.Which prophets do we choose to hear today? Look around you these days are evil.In ChristJeff

A couple of shekels... (the shirt is in the wash :-( )Nothing earth shattering here, think Lars summed it up well. Also concur with what Robert and Greg 'sensed' in that creepy kind of feeling about angels and all the rest. None of which is to disregard any of the input from Chanin, Rahman et al...Guess what came to mind is that this is obvious to a more attuned eye and ear and frankly has been going on for quite awhile.A loose paraphrase from 'our' favorite grandfather:"If the Lord doesn't judge America soon, He will have to apologize for Sodom and Gomorrah" Leonard Ravenhill

Brother Greg,Thanks for the link ... i've went thru it and have to say that i agree with Brother Selvaraj's ...Statement of Faith:http://www.jesusministries.com.sg/aboutus_3.htmlAnd found his ...Personal Testimony:http://www.jesusministries.com.sg/aboutus_1.htmlvery interesting, raised Catholic, then Hindu, then saved .... Brother Greg you posted:((( I would be careful with this character Sadhu Sundar Selvaraj (-prophet from India). He is in fellowship with many very questionable and false people and if he was a true prophet he would seperate himself from the false priesthood and prophets. )))You call this brother a "character", which makes me think you've concluded him shady ... Can you please give us any additional info (links) about the group of unsavory people you said this brother is a part off? ... i'd like to know more ... Also you also posted:((( I believe I have heard an audio message by this fellow and even though he says alot of good things here the things stated in the audio message drew up red flags all over the place. )))Is it possible for you to find that audio message and post it (i really would like to hear it) ... And finally you posted:((( Amen Lars, the true prophetic voice in our day will not tickle ears, what a mockery that we have so many self-proclaimed prophets, but truly how many has God called to that office. )))Well i certainly didn't sense any ear tickling from Brother Selvaraj's "word" ... i myself have never had any visions on the level of his, or visitations from angels as this brother proclaims (except one dream where three of them silently flew past me) , but his warnings ring true in my spirit ... God knows i'd much rather hear from this brother if in fact he's a false prophet, than the brand we have here, and export from America ... i've often wondered when Joel spoke of God's pouring out of His Spirit in the last days, where He's giving dreams and visions to folk, what would be the criteria for how He'll choose to show someone something ... He doesn't give any criteria in Joel but the Bible is jam packed full of accounts of how He's appeared to folk, but today we sure seem to have put a lot of proof criteria on how He can, and cannot appear to folk ... The Book says that we are to try the Spirit, by the Spirit ... God in the OT talked to men with angels visibly, in visions and in dreams, spoke to Mary thru Gabriel, appeared to the shepherds in the field thru them, so why can't He appear to NT prophets thru angels, even today? ... Why is that so hard to believe? ... Is it because it hasn't happened to us personally, so therefore it can't be true? ... The book says that God is the same yesterday, today and tommorow ... but since He's now contending with our science drenched age He should alter Himself to reveal Himself in ways that we're comfortable with? ... God forbid, that's why He says He uses the foolish things to confound the wise ... Brother Mike, in all love and respect, you posted:((( Nothing earth shattering here, think Lars summed it up well. Also concur with what Robert and Greg 'sensed' in that creepy kind of feeling about angels and all the rest.)))I'll bet that's the same way the majority of Israel felt toward the words of Jeremiah, until Babylon lowered the boom on them ... Perhaps Brother Selvaraj isn't aware that in America he'd fare much better, if he said like Jeremiah, that "only" the Word of the Lord came to him, and not an angel as tall as the World Trades ... i wish that i could hip him to this and let him know that we Westeners are much to savy to believe something like that, and that when we don't believe one part of anything, we will throw the baby (the message) out with the bathwater (what we can't possibly believe) ... Someone earlier posted that they were from Missouri, the "show me" state ... We'll i think most of us Americans are from Missouri, including Christ Church, and i think He's about to show us all! ... i think that He's about to make us true .... believers .... '0) To me the proof of a true prophet of God is his message ... Is it one that points to God, toward true repentance, especially if that message appears at a time of dire wickedness ...

To try to prove the obvious with the sensational does not belong to the categories of the Father.A prophet, and there are quite a few at work these days, does not have to use any amplification, any fireworks or dramatic posturing. Plain words, veracity and the seal confirming God’s sending bring conviction. The poor man’s soup advertised and served at this table has been rolled back and forth from the kitchen too many times to warm a praying heart – angels or no angels helping in the distribution.Lars W

Perhaps Brother Selvaraj isn't aware that in America he'd fare much better, if he said like Jeremiah, that "only" the Word of the Lord came to him, and not an angel as tall as the World Trades ... i wish that i could hip him to this and let him know that we Westeners are much to savy to believe something like that, and that when we don't believe one part of anything, we will throw the baby (the message) out with the bathwater (what we can't possibly believe) ... Hi Rahman,No problem brother. Don't have any real qualms with this actually at all. Wouldn't even throw out the message (baby) with the bath water, for what the context is stating. I am actually more surprised that the lord has been so longsuffering towards us, especially the churches!Whether it is 'prophetic' in the sense of 'apperances' of the Lord or angels..who am I to dispute what he has 'seen'? I guess it just does throw up some flags as a natural reaction to all the 'prohecies' that abound in our time. Everybody seems to have one.But as to the context of what he was saying...doesn't sound any different than what we discuss around here often. Repentance!Think we all can be challenged by the things that we 'percieve' in our dreams, meditations, prayers and not to discount them out of hand, but...let me put it this way: If I was to tell of half of the things that cross this whacky brain of mine on any given day, you all would be calling for a straight jacket! :-)Hope that helps clarify a bit...

The copycat is a common animal.Prophet Uriah belonged to that brand – Jer. 26:20-23.He prophesied words similar to Jeremia, even against Jerusalem.He was prophesying truths, things which could be said to come from the throne but the fear of the Lord did not follow as a testimony to the origin. The copycat will break under pressure, and run.So did Elijah once, running in the wrong direction, served by angles during the detour.Our detours result in great books and testimonies which draw crowds.Angles served him while being wrong, the Lord working hard making him realise he was wrong. If angles serve us, we are absolutely sure we are right.The copycat prophesies according to common trend.Copycats produce mutual endorsement, constituting common words as truths to be accepted without testing.The genuine prophet has to stand alone with few friends and perhaps some admirers who do not dare to approach him.

Whoa, Chanin! You got us all thinking! I'm glad to see this thread. Robert, all your posts are a blessing. Wow, these younger brothers that the Lord is raising up!! You guys are an inspiration.Indeed, the Lord led me to SI too, during deep travail in my soul. I cannot concentrate except to beseech God to spare my family members and turn our lives around. It is so urgent the past year.Every time I get serious with God, He says the same thing: I am coming with judgment! Is your household safe? And I have to say "aaak, Lord, it's NOT!" And down I go, fasting and praying and crying.There is one man who has been preaching his heart out on this very thing, warning whoever will listen. This man's preaching has turned thousands of parent's hearts back to their homes and their children through a series of tapes on the godly home... Denny Kenaston. A few of his sermons are on this site. He's like David Wilkerson -- prophetic and clear. But he takes holiness, and the calling of godly family life to the highest degree. He is radically on-fire and while he does not call himself a prophet, he has the gift, no question!! His church Charity Christian Fellowship in Lancaster County, PA and their sister churches hold several Seminars each year. In Feb. 2004 they had a Men's Leadership Conference --- 600 men attended and Gerhard Du Toit prophesied that if revival breaks out, it may happen in one of these churches. Click on the mp3 of #3299 here:Gerhard 2/15/04My encounter with God last summer, where He stressed the verse "they were all together in one place, praying" --- I keep hoping and watching for any kind of gathering where seeking God can be first & foremost and we can seriously fall on our faces and pray. Those of you in Phoenix, did you attend the PrayerQuake with Jim Cymbala and the pastor from Uganda? I went Thurs. night, and was very turned-off by the hype, the lack of seriousness, and the control of the prayer time. I drove 3 hours expecting to pray, for crying out loud!!! (Didn't know about fellow SI'ers then) After the preaching I join a hundred or so people to pray in the sanctuary. I'm broken, on fire, fasted all week, the needs in my OWN life are very great, I'm anxious to see God move if He so desires "and let it begin with me". I don't know a soul, so I plop myself down on the floor near some other women. A lady sits down next to me and we talk briefly -- we're both in earnest, crying and we are sharing our hearts. We pray for a bit, then begin sharing again. Somebody 'in charge' comes by and says to us (and many others) "This sanctuary is to be used for prayer only. No visiting allowed." I'm shocked, and look up to heaven and say 'what is THIS?' I left shortly afterward, feeling very out-of-place. Other ladies in the rest-room were saying 'that was so rude of that lady to ask us to leave because we were talking! That's not very Christian'. In a gathering of nearly 2,000 people, from all over the west attending workshops for 3 days on prayer with these big names, I and many others are not allowed to pray as we see fit, we can't even stay in the ROOM.But loud tongues-speakers are encouraged, drowning out the small conversations people are 'not allowed' to have!!!!AAAk!!!!!!!Would anybody be willing to host a week-long "Something" that would meet this need? I'm still looking into doing something here, altho the local paper did NOT run my notice about "revival prayer and discussion group forming". It was supposed to run last Friday. My husband and I have no church backing of any kind here, so we question the wisdom of holding an event here. But then again, I will do anything God asks, even if it seems weird or out-of-place. :-) Great moves of God in the past often started in annual, cross-denominational conventions --- Keswick, Sialkot, Llandridod (sp?), oh my the list is endless. Zac Poonen will be preaching in Ohio in Aug. and I don't know if we can make that, but it's a start.Looking at the calendar... New Year's Day falls on a Saturday. It's the tail-end of the Christmas - winter break season... would anybody come to Arizona right after Christmas for 4 days to a week of meetings? (Dec. 27 to Jan 2?) With Friday being New Year's Eve and a natural for all-night prayer... whole families welcome, all food provided in some sort of low-key setting where we're away from city lights and hub-bub and cell phones. Suggestions?I'm willing to do anything to facilitate. Please contact me at the email address in my profile.Mrs. Fred