The Law: pt #2

The, only law that was fulfilled was the Ceremonial law.

In Psalm 119, the word, "Word," is used interchangeably with,"law,""commandments,"Precepts," "statutes,""judgments," testimonies."

HIS WORD = HIS LAW

"Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. BUT HIS DELIGHT IS IN THE LAW OF THE LORD; AND IN HIS LAW DOTH HE MEDITATE DAY AND NIGHT." Ps 1:1,2

"THE LAW OF THE LORD IS PERFECT, CONVERTING THE SOUL: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple. The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes. The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring forever: the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether. MORE TO BE DESIRED ARE THEY THAN GOLD, YEA, THAN MUCH FINE GOLD: SWEETER ALSO THAN THE HONEY AND THE HONEYCOMB. Moreover by them is Thy servant warned: and IN KEEPING OF THEM THERE IS GREAT REWARD." Ps 19:7-11

"The law of God is in his heart; none of his steps shall slide." Ps 37:31

"I delight to do Thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart." Ps 40:8; Jer 31:31-34; Heb 8:10 (Under the New Covenant, the Lord engraves His Covenant in our hearts and minds. That is why Jesus said, that, if a man looks upon a woman to lust, he has, already, committed adultery with her in his heart.)

"Give ear, O My people, to MY LAW: incline your ears to THE WORDS OF MY MOUTH." Ps 78:1 (Again, the Word and the Law)

"As far as the east is from the west, so far hath He removed our transgressions ("of the law" 1 John 3:4) from us...TO SUCH AS KEEP HIS COVENANT AND TO THOSE THAT REMEMBER HIS COMMANDMENTS TO DO THEM." Ps 103 (Covenants have conditions.)

"Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the Lord...Open Thou my eyes, that I may behold wondrous things out of Thy law." Ps 119:1,18

"Remove from me the way of lying: and grant me Thy law graciously...Give me understanding, and I shall keep Thy law: yea, I shall observe it with my whole heart." Ps 119:29,34

"So shall I keep Thy law continually forever and ever...Horror hath take hold upon me because of THE WICKED THAT FORSAKE THY LAW." Ps 119:44,53

"Let Thy tender mercies come unto me, that I may live: for Thy law is my delight...O HOW I LOVE THY LAW! IT IS MY MEDITATION ALL THE DAY." Ps 119:77,97

"I hate vain thoughts: but Thy law do I love...It is time for Thee to work: FOR THEY HAVE MADE VOID THY LAW." Ps 119:113,126

"DO WE THEN MAKE VOID THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? GOD FORBID: YEA, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW." Rom 3:31

"Rivers of water run down my eyes, BECAUSE THEY KEEP NOT THY LAW...Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and Thy law is Truth." Ps 119:136,142

"I have longed for Thy salvation, O Lord; and THY LAW IS MY DELIGHT." Ps 119:174

"For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life." Pro 6:23

"The law of the wise is a fountain of life, to depart from the sanres of death." Pro 13:14

"THEY THAT FORSAKE THE LAW PRAISE THE WICKED: BUT SUCH AS KEEP THE LAW CONTEND WITH THEM." Pro 28:4

"Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law:FOR SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW." 1 John 3:4

"For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity (LAWLESSNESS) and idolatry..." 1 Sam 15:23

Jesus said, "He that rejecteth Me and receiveth not My Words, hath one that judgeth him: THE WORD THAT I HAVE SPOKEN, THE SAME SHALL JUDGE HIM IN THE LAST DAY." John 12:48

The Apostle Paul wrote, "For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: AND AS MANY AS HAVE SINNED IN THE LAW SHALL BE JUDGED BY THE LAW; For not the hearers of the law are just before God, BUT THE DOERS OF THE LAW SHALL BE JUSTIFIED." Rom 2:12,13

His Word/His law will judge each one of us. Do you want His Word/His law to judge you?

Or, to hear Him say, "Well done, thou good and faithful servant?"

"And being made perfect, HE BECAME THE AUTHOR OF ETERNAL SALVATION, UNTO ALL THEM THAT OBEY HIM." Heb 5:9

The, only law that was fulfilled was the Ceremonial law.

I don't think Solomon would agree with this statement....

Proverbs 1:
20 \tWisdom calls aloud outside;
\tShe raises her voice in the open squares.
21 \tShe cries out in the chief concourses,
\tAt the openings of the gates in the city
\tShe speaks her words:
22 \t“How long, you simple ones, will you love simplicity?
\tFor scorners delight in their scorning,
\tAnd fools hate knowledge.
23 \tTurn at my rebuke;
\tSurely I will pour out my spirit on you;
\tI will make my words known to you.

Only by the Spirit can one hear and do the word of God...

"Surely I will pour out my spirit on you; I will make my words known to you."

The law of the Spirit overcomes the law given to Moses on Mount Sinai

In Christ
Jeff

The law given to Moses was the Ceremonial law.
Circumcision is now of the heart, washings are baptism, Jesus, the clean, became unclean so that we may be clean. The Sabbath Feast Days were fulfilled:

Passover: Our Passover Lamb
Unleavened Bread: He was without sin
Tabernacles: He "tabernacled among us"

If the Ceremonial law had not been fulfilled, we would, still, sacrifice animals.

CEREMONIAL LAW:

1. Is called, "the law contained in ordinances." Eph 2:15
2. Was spoken by Moses. Lev 1:1-3
3. Was written by Moses in a book. 11 Chron 35:12
4. Was placed in the side of The Ark. Deut 31:24-26 (to show it's temporal nature)
5. Was nailed to the cross. Col 2:14
6. Was abolished by Christ. Eph 2:15

THE TEN COMMANDMENT COVENANT:

1. Is called, the "royal law" Ja 2:8
2. Was spoken by God. Deut 4:12,13
3. Was written with the finger of God. Ex 31:18
4. Was placed inside The Ark. Ex 40:20;Heb 9:4
5. Is to "stand forever and ever." Ps 111:7,8
6. Was not destroyed by Christ. Mt 5:17,18

The Ten Commandment Covenant deals with our character and is used by the Holy Spirit in our on-going process of sanctification.

You, surely, don't think, you can bow down and worship other gods, take His name in vain, profane His holy day, murder, commit adultery, steal, bear false witness, covet and walk in His Holy Spirit? That would be blasphemous. The Holy Spirit will never lead us into sin, or, "the transgression of the law." 1 John 3:4

James 2:10,11 tells us, that if we break any of His commandments, we become transgressors of His law and are guilty of breaking all of them.

Jesus said, "Not everyone that SAITH, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that DOETH the will of My Father, which is in heaven.

MANY will say to Me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy name? and in Thy name have cast out devils? and in Thy name DONE MANY WONDERFUL WORKS?

And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity (LAWLESSNESS) Mt 7:21-23

"AND HEREBY WE DO KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS. He that saith, I KNOW HIM and keepeth not His commandments is a LIAR and the Truth is not in him. BUT WHOSO KEEPETH HIS WORD, IN HIM VERILY IS THE LOVE OF GOD PERFECTED: hereby we do know that we are in Him." 1 John 2:3-5

Jesus said, "If ye love Me,keep My commandments." John 14:14

Jesus said, "He that hath My commandments and keepeth them, HE IT IS THAT LOVETH ME: AND HE THAT LOVETH ME SHALL BE LOVED OF MY FATHER, AND I WILL LOVE HIM, and will manifest Myself to him." John 14:21

Even in heaven, the Lord makes quite a statement about His Covenant:

"And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in His temple THE ARK OF HIS TESTAMENT: and there were LIGHTNINGS, and VOICES, and THUNDERINGS, and AN EARTHQUAKE, and GREAT HAIL." Rev 11:19

At the very end of the Book of all Books, the Apostle John wrote, "Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have RIGHT to the tree of life, AND MAY ENTER IN through the gates into the city." Rev 22:14 (Again, Covenants have conditions.)

The Holy Spirit will never lead us into sin, or, "the transgression of the law."

This is absolutely true...for Scripture says it so.

Proverbs 7:
3 \tShe cries out by the gates, at the entry of the city,
\tAt the entrance of the doors:
4 \t“To you, O men, I call,
\tAnd my voice is to the sons of men.
5 \tO you simple ones, understand prudence,
\tAnd you fools, be of an understanding heart.
6 \tListen, for I will speak of excellent things,
\tAnd from the opening of my lips will come right things;
7 \tFor my mouth will speak truth;
\tWickedness is an abomination to my lips.
8 \tAll the words of my mouth are with righteousness;
\tNothing crooked or perverse is in them.
9 \tThey are all plain to him who understands,
\tAnd right to those who find knowledge.

"All the words of my mouth are with righteousness; nothing crooked or perverse is in them"

Are "they " ..."all plain to him who understands"?

In Christ
Jeff

In Psalm 119, the word, "Word," is used interchangeably with,"law,""commandments,"Precepts," "statutes,""judgments," testimonies."

Without God speaking to us, His word, we would not understand His precepts and statutes. Without His word, we would not know what it is He wants us to do. Without His word, we would not be convicted of our sin, we would not understand His judgements in our lives. Without His word we would not have His testimonies of how He loves us.

If He didn't speak how could we know Him?

IN Christ
Jeff

Amen. And most important of all, Jesus is the Word of God. John 1:1;Rev 19:13

God spoke to Abraham,"And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;

BECAUSE that Abraham obeyed My voice (His Word), and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws." Gen 26:4,5

Rom 16:26 refers to "the obedience of faith."

"Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: FOR SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW.

And ye know that He was manifested to TAKE AWAY OUR SINS; and in Him is no sin.

Whosoever abideth in Him (walks in His Spirit) sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen Him nor KNOWN HIM.

Jesus said, "Not every one that SAITH, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven,but he that DOETH the will of My Father, which is in heaven.

MANY will say to Me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy name? and in Thy name have cast out devils? and IN THY NAME DONE MANY WONDERFUL WORKS?

And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity."(LAWLESSNESS) Mt 7:21-23.

"AND HEREBY WE DO KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS. He that saith, I KNOW HIM, and keepeth not His commandments, is a LIAR and the Truth is not in him. BUT WHOSO KEEPETH HIS WORD, IN HIM VERILY IS THE LOVE OF GOD PERFECTED: hereby we do know that we are in Him." 1 John 2:3-5

"Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as He is righteous.

He that committeth sin is of the Devil; for the Devil sinneth from the beginning.

FOR THIS PURPOSE WAS THE SON OF GOD MANIFESTED, THAT HE MIGHT DESTROY THE WORKS OF THE DEVIL.

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for His seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the Devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother." James 2

When we walk in His Spirit, we do not sin. It is when we fall back on the old ways, that we sin.

Rom 16:26 refers to "the obedience of faith."

"Even so faith, if it hath not works is dead, being alone.

Yea a man may say, Thou hast faith and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe and tremble.

But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

Was not Abraham our father (Ga 3:7,29) JUSTIFIED BY WORKS when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? (In obedience to God's Word)

SEEST THOU HOW FAITH WROUGHT WITH HIS WORKS, AND BY WORKS WAS FAITH MADE PERFECT?

And the Scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham BELIEVED GOD (Faith), and it was imputed to him for righteousness: and he was called the friend of God...For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also." James 2.

The bible tells us that we who are in Christ are not under the Law but grace, therefore sin does not have dominion over us.

2Co 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
2Co 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
2Co 3:8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
2Co 3:9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
2Co 3:10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
2Co 3:11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

2Co 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
2Co 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

The ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, but that glory has been done away.

The scriptures are clear that the law in it's entirety has been fulfilled by Christ and abolished and this also includes the 10 Commandments. We are not under thou shalt not anymore, but it is now, I delight to do thy will oh God. The righteousness of the Law is fulfilled in us who are in the new covenant by walking in the Spirit. I am not under the 10 commandments trying to fulfill them but His law is in my heart teaching me to walk in Love to keep the commandments of Christ. I am not trying to keep the commandments under the old covenant of "thou shalt not" nor "all the ceremonial rules and regulations" because Christ has already fulfilled the requirements of the OT and the only one who ever could.

I can only establish the Law through the righteousness of being in Christ walking in His Spirit.

"WHAT SHALL WE SAY THEN? SHALL WE CONTINUE IN SIN ("the transgression of the law" 1 John 3:4) THAT GRACE MAY ABOUND? GOD FORBID. HOW SHALL WE THAT ARE DEAD TO SIN LIVE ANY LONGER THEREIN?" Rom 6:1

In Psalm 119, the word, "Word," is used, interchangeably with, "law," "commandments," "precepts," "statutes,""judgments," "testimonies."

(I first learned this from Dr.R.C.Sproul, and I confirmed it with my Hebrew/Greek Interlinear Bible)

HIS WORD = HIS LAW

"A NEW HEART also will I give you, and A NEW SPIRIT will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

AND I WILL PUT MY SPIRIT WITHIN YOU, and CAUSE YOU to walk in My statutes, and ye shall keep My judgments and do them." Ezek 36:26,27

The, only, law that was fulfilled, was the Ceremonial law. Circumcision is now of the heart,washings are baptism, Jesus, the clean, became unclean, so that we may be clean. The Sabbath Feast Days were fufilled:

PASSOVER: Our Passover Lamb
UNLEAVENED BREAD: He was without sin
TABERNACLES: He "tabernacled among us"...

If the Ceremonial law had not been fulfilled, we would, still, sacrifice animals.

CEREMONIAL LAW:

1. Is called, "the law contained in ordinances." Eph 2:15
2. Was spoken by Moses. Lev 1:1-3
3. Was written by Moses in a book. 11 Chron 35:12
4. Was placed in the side of The Ark (to show it's temporal nature.)
5. Was nailed to the cross. Col 2:14
6. Was abolished by Christ.

THE TEN COMMANDMENT COVENANT:

1. Is called, the "royal law" Ja 2:8
2. Was spoken by God. Deut 4;12,13
3. Was written with the finger of God. Ex 31:18
4. Was placed inside The Ark. Ex 40:20;Heb 9:4
5. Is to "stand forever and ever." Ps 111:7,8
6. Was not destroyed by Christ. Mt 5:17,18

The Ten Commandment Covenant deals with our character and is used by the Holy Spirit in our on-going process of sanctification.

Even in heaven, the Lord makes quite a statement about His Covenant:

"And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in His temple THE ARK OF HIS TESTAMENT: and there were LIGHTNINGS, and VOICES, and THUNDERINGS, and AN EARTHQUAKE, and GREAT HAIL." Rev 11:19.

So, why does 1 John 3:4 say, that, "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: FOR SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW?

"DO WE THEN MAKE VOID THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? GOD FORBID:YEA, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW." Rom 3:31

Why does the Apostle Paul write, "For as man as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: AND AS MANY AS HAVE SINNED IN THE LAW SHALL BE JUDGED BY THE LAW; FOR NOT THE HEARERS OF THE LAW ARE JUST BEFORE GOD, BUT THE DOERS OF THE LAW SHALL BE JUSTIFIED." Rom 2:12,13?

I hope you are not saying, that we can bow down and worship other gods, take His name in vain, profane His holy day, dishonor our parents, murder, commit adultery, steal, bear false witness, covet and walk in His Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit will never lead us into sin, or, "the transgression of the law." 1 John 3:4.

And, why does the Apostle John write at the very end of the Scripture, "Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have RIGHT to the tree of life, AND MAY ENTER IN through the gates into the city." Rev 22:14.

COVENANTS HAVE CONDITIONS

Rom; 3: 19&31

HIS WORD = HIS LAW

I am reading many things in this thread but I am not seeing a distinction being made between the Old and the New Covenant.

The revelation of God's Divine will has come about in stages. We understand that by tradition the first revelation of God's Law was the Noachide Laws. This was 7 laws the Jews say were passed down orally.

Then came the Decalogue. This is the Ten Commandments given to Moses at Sinai.

The rest of the Old Covenant Law was given to Moses over time and passed to the people. The Jews codified that Law into [url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/articles/index.php?view=article&aid=1979]The 613 Commandments (365 Neg & 248 Pos).[/url]

One of the hardest things it seemed for many of the circumcision to understand during the first century is how that a Gentile could “establish’ the law without being UNDER the law. It is the TRUE gospel that frees us from the Old Covenant and all of its carnal ordinances that were imposed on the people until the time of reformation (Hebrews 9). The goal with the Old Covenant was not to bring about righteousness or help the righteous per se; it was to expose sins in the unrighteous (I Timothy 1:9; Romans 8:3,4 Romans 7:4-10).

Upon seeing their sin man should turn to God and the good news of the New Covenant which saves us from the wrath of the Old Covenant (not that we were ever under the Old Covenant as Gentiles but that we knew the will of God through the teaching of His commandments) or the general wrath of God that is revealed against all who hold the truth in unrighteousness (Romans 1:18). No amount of Law can save man. Man needs a New Nature (John 3:3).

[i]His Seed Remaineth In Him[/i]

I John 3:3-10 tells us plainly that those who are born of God are manifest by the fact that they live righteous lives that are characterized by purification of our hearts- which extends outward; and in turn perfects our love for God and one another. To those things scripture tells us; there is no law against. As it is written…

[color=000066]“But the Fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance, against such there is no law” (Galatians 5:22, 23)[/color]

[i]The Danger of the Judaizers[/i]

A ‘Judaizer’ can be defined as a person who insisted that Gentiles keep the Law of Moses in order to maintain fellowship with Jewish believers. This belief was not uncommon among the early Church as some of the Jews who accepted Christ continued to keep the law and many were in fact zealous of the law (Acts 21:20). They followed the teaching of Christ who stated… “Do not suppose that I am come to destroy the Law, or the prophets. I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven. But, whoever shall do them and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven" (Matthew 5:17, 19).

As time went on and a clear understanding and balance came to the Church. God dealt with Peter about the cleansing of the Gentiles and Paul began to preach by revelation the full riches of God's grace and the true nature of a life that [i]has begun in the Spirit[/i].

But as people mistakenly believed Paul was preaching lawlessness, it was not long until many began to believe they were under no law at all. Paul then addressed this in Romans 6:1 &15, etc..

[i]What is Antinomianism?[/i]

The belief that Christians are under no requirements before God concerning law is called ANTINOMINIANISM. Antinomianism is the heretical doctrine that Christians are exempt from all the obligations of moral law. The term first came into use at the, when it was employed by Martin Luther to designate the teachings of Johannes Agricola and his secretaries, who, pushing a mistaken and perverted interpretation of the Reformer's doctrine of justification by faith alone to a far-reaching but logical conclusion, asserted that, as good works do not promote salvation, so neither do evil works hinder it; and, as all Christians are necessarily sanctified by their very vocation and profession, so as justified Christians, they are incapable of losing their spiritual holiness, justification, and final salvation by any act of disobedience to, or even by any direct violation of the law of God.

The concept of antinomianism is not new as Paul battled it with the notorious question in scripture “Shall we sin that grace may abound?" The key to understand what life in the Spirit is is in it's establishment of the law through a life of love that does by nature those things contained in the Law.

"Do we then make the Law void through faith? May it never be! Rather, we establish the Law" (Romans 3:31). The fact is, it is impossible to establish the law under the Old Covenant as it was helpless to anything more than cause a person’s sin nature to manifest. It contained many carnal ordinances imposed upon the people until the time of reformation (Hebrews 9:10). The New covenant was brought about to accomplish the goals of the Old Covenant in establishing God’s personality in our hearts that we might be Pure from the heart. God is sought to make man in His image; but the Old Covenant cannot get us there. This is the message to the Galatians.

The Old Covenant was the Ten Commandment Covenant. Deut 4:13;Ex34:28. It was based upon the promise of the people. Ex 24:7. The New Covenant is based upon the promise of God:

"But this shall be the Covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; after those days, saith the Lord, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people." Jer 31:31-34;Ezek 36:26,27;Mt 26:28; Heb 8:10 - AN INTERNAL COVENANT.

WHO is He speaking of? Paul answers, "Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made, He saith not, And to thy seeds, as of many: but as of one, And to thy seed which is Christ." "And if ye be Christ's, then are YE Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." Ga 3:16,29

"Know ye therefore, that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham." Ga 3:7

"For he is not a Jew, who is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision which is outward in the flesh: BUT HE IS A JEW, WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and circumcision is that OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT,and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God." Rom 2:28,29

The promises were made through Abraham to the children of promise (Rom 9:6-8), who are justified by faith - whether Jew or Gentile.

The Old Covenant is the New Covenant engraved in our hearts and minds. That is why Jesus said, that, if a man looks upon a woman to lust, he has, already, committed adultery with her in his heart. Or, if we are angry with our brother without cause, we are in danger of the judgment. Mt 5:22,28.

Jesus said, "If ye love Me, keep My commandments." John 14:15

Jesus said, "He that hath My commandments and keepeth them, HE IT IS THAT LOVETH ME: AND HE THAT LOVETH ME SHALL BE LOVED OF MY FATHER, AND I WILL LOVE HIM, and will manifest Myself to him." John 14:21

HIS CHURCH KEEPS HIS COMMANDMENTS: "And the Dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, WHICH KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." Rev 12:17

HIS SAINTS KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS: "Here is the patience of the saints: HERE ARE THEY THAT KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, and the faith of Jesus." Rev 14:12

So, are you saying, that, we can bow down and worship other gods, take His name in vain, profane His holy day, murder, commit adultery, steal, bear false witness, covet and walk in His Holy Spirit? That would be blasphemous.

James 2:10,11 tells us, that, if we break any of His commandments, we become transgressors of the law and are guilty of breaking all of them.

"Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: FOR SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW." 1 John 3:4.

So, why did the Apostle Paul write, "For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: AND AS MANY AS HAVE SINNED IN THE LAW SHALL BE JUDGED BY THE LAW; For not the hearers of the law are just before God, BUT THE DOERS OF THE LAW SHALL BE JUSTIFIED?" Rom 2:12,13

John says, "WHOSO KEEPETH HIS WORD, IN HIM VERILY IS THE LOVE OF GOD PERFECTED..."

The Apostle Paul writes, "...BUT THE DOERS OF THE LAW SHALL BE JUSTIFIED."

HIS WORD = HIS LAW.

"But be ye DOERS of the Word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves." Ja 1:22

"Thy Word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin ("the transgression of the law" 1 John 3:4) against Thee." Ps 119:11

Jesus said in Matthew 7:21-23, that sinners will not enter into His kingdom.

John says, "And hereby we do know that we know Him, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS. He that saith, I KNOW HIM and keepeth not His commandments is a LIAR, and the Truth is not in him. BUT WHOSO KEEPETH HIS WORD, IN HIM VERILY IS THE LOVE OF GOD PERFECTED..." 1 John 2:3-5

Are you saying, that, we don't have to obey His Word?

If you belong to Him, you will obey His Word.

"Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have RIGHT to the tree of life, AND MAY ENTER IN through the gates into the city." Rev 22:14

"And being made perfect, He became the author of eternal salvation, UNTO ALL THEM THAT OBEY HIM." Heb 5:9

Are you saying, that, we don't have to obey His Word?

Are you saying we are under the Law?

The Old Covenant is the New Covenant engraved in our hearts and minds. That is why Jesus said, that, if a man looks upon a woman to lust, he has, already, committed adultery with her in his heart. Or, if we are angry with our brother without cause, we are in danger of the judgment. Mt 5:22,28.

There is a misconception here. The Old Covenant was basically a tenancy agreement between God and Israel along with stipulations for their remaining in the land of Israel. This is an important distinction. Ezekiel 31:33 does tell us that God will put His law in our hearts and minds, but we must be very careful how we look at that so that the Truth of the Gospel is not infringed upon. The New Covenant is just that; it is a [u]New[/u] covenant. The Old is passed away.

It is impossible to do with Law what can only be done in the Spirit. I don't want to talk past anyone here, but this is not lawlessness. We began in the Spirit and must continue in the Spirit. We cannot do in the flesh what can only be done in the Spirit. So I do not look at the Scriptures as 'laws' in the Old Covenant sense because the implication is that if we keep the Law then we are righteous; the New Covenant changed the heart so that we by nature do those things contained in the Law. Adding Old Covenant practices or even circumcision and the keeping of days is contrary to New Covenant liberty.

So, are you saying, that, we can bow down and worship other gods, take His name in vain, profane His holy day, murder, commit adultery, steal, bear false witness, covet and walk in His Holy Spirit? That would be blasphemous.

I am saying that the Born Again believer walks in harmony with God's word. But bear in mind that because a person keeps the 10 Commandments does not mean they are born again.

Our focus cannot be to keep 'laws' but to walk in the Spirit and thereby fulfill the law.

So, why did the Apostle Paul write, "For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: AND AS MANY AS HAVE SINNED IN THE LAW SHALL BE JUDGED BY THE LAW; For not the hearers of the law are just before God, BUT THE DOERS OF THE LAW SHALL BE JUSTIFIED?" Rom 2:12,13

John says, "WHOSO KEEPETH HIS WORD, IN HIM VERILY IS THE LOVE OF GOD PERFECTED..."

The Apostle Paul writes, "...BUT THE DOERS OF THE LAW SHALL BE JUSTIFIED."

Who is a doer of the Law?

[color=000066]Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. (Romans 3:19)[/color]

So why then the Law? Paul said the law was spiritual, but that he 'was' carnal and sold under sin.

[color=000066]Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. (Galatians 3:19)[/color]

To seek to be justified by the Law is to have fallen from grace. Our justification is based upon grace through faith in the finished work of the cross.

[color=000066]Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. (Romans 3:20)[/color]

The law was never intended to bring justification. If a law could have justified Christ would not have needed to die. Our justification is a gift of God's grace when we exercise genuine faith.

[i]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. [/i] Rom 8:2

sscr01,

You have been around a long time, near the inception of SI.

But this is becoming a bit of a game that is not playing out very well. Went back and read "Part 1", which you started back in Sept. There is little to distinguish that from this continuation. Your replicating - cut and pasting the same things over and over again is not making whatever the case is you seem to be presenting.

What is the case at any rate? Others have asked you but you choose to respond by pasting the same or variants of sections of verses ...

Would you have us in bondage? Have us guessing?

This is a [i]discussion[/i] forum, not a platform for agendas, bents, slants, peccadillo's. Elsewhere you made some mention about the opinions of men, well despite the true fact that the scriptures speak for themselves, that you choose to stitch various verses together to say, whatever it is you are trying to say, you are in fact giving your opinion.

I hate presumption and I hate guessing, would imagine others are not any more fond of it either. Stop playing games and converse. I will say however you are conveying something here spiritually, it's underneath it all, it smacks of legalism, some construct you have set up in your mind, even if you are using scripture to press it forward. In fact that seems to be the case, [i]using[/i] scripture.

Spit it out already.

We are justified by faith in the sacrifice of Jesus.

Again, Rom 16:26 refers to "the obedience of faith."

There is no true faith without obedience. Just as Abraham was ready to sacrifice his son, in obedience to God's command.

We are to obey His Word.

"A NEW HEART also will I give you, and A NEW SPIRIT will I put within you...AND I WILL PUT MY SPIRIT WITHIN YOU, and CAUSE YOU to walk in My statutes, and ye shall keep My judgments and do them." Ezek 36:26,27

When we abide in His Spirit - walk in His Spirit, we do not sin, or, "trangress the law." 1 John 3:4

According to Mk 16:17,18, I have healed the sick, cast out demons, and in a group of three, raised a man from the dead.

It wasn't by my might or power, but, by His Spirit being released through me.

Paul told Timothy, "I thank God, whom I serve with PURE CONSCIENCE..." 2 Tim 1:3

I serve Him with a pure conscience, because I cherish His every Word.

I trust the Holy Spirit to reveal anything to me, that I need to repent of - and I will. That is what "sanctification" is all about.

I for one certainly would not condone lawlessness and I think it safe to say that some thought Paul was preaching lawlessness or 'let us do evil that good may come, etc.' But the way in which we approach this is critical because this is a life begun and to be completed in the Spirit. This cannot be a set of rules that we follow and call it Christianity. Even saying that the law is written on our hearts may mean one thing to one person and something else to another. So I'm hoping we can pan this all out as we may just be talking past each other. ;-)

Amen!