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sermonindex Dec 21, 2008


"Feminism, Socialism, and Communism are one in the same, and Socialist/Communist government is the goal of feminism." - Catharine A. MacKinnon, Toward a Feminist Theory of the State (First Harvard University Press, 1989), p.10

"A world where men and women would be equal is easy to visualize, for that precisely is what the Soviet Revolution promised." - Simone de Beauvoir, The Second Sex (New York, Random House, 1952), p.806

"The Women's Caucus [endorses] Marxist-Leninist thought."


Why Are So Many Women Depressed?
by Dennis Prager

It is widely reported that women suffer depression at twice the rate of men. Apparently, more women are clinically depressed than ever before. On the assumption that these assessments are true, the question anyone interested in the subject -- which means anyone who cares about any woman -- asks is, why?

In a recent column I offered one explanation -- the impossibly high expectations for happiness that feminism created for many women.

There are other possible explanations.

One is the way in which many girls have been raised.

As every wise person and wise culture in history has known, it is impossible to attain any happiness without conquering one's nature. This is, of course, equally true for boys and girls, men and women. However, along with feminism arose a belief in the superiority of female nature. One result of this has been the suppressing of many male instincts -- both negative and positive -- along with little or no suppression of negative female instincts.

Societies and parents always knew that it was imperative to teach boys to control two aspects of their male nature -- their sexual desires and their predilection for violence. So all of us decent men were taught from a young age to touch a woman sexually only with her permission and to channel our physical aggression into sports or into helping to fight evil by joining a police force, or the military, or by being prepared to physically defend innocents. Men who did not learn to control these aspects of male nature not only became bad men, they became unhappy men. Happiness is attainable only when we control our nature and not when our nature controls us.

Societies and parents also always knew that it was imperative to teach girls to control their natures -- in particular their predilection to be ruled by their emotions. Women who allowed their emotions to rule them not only became destructive (to members of their families first and foremost), they became unhappy women.

However, with the advent of contemporary feminism and other social trends that coincided with the rise of feminism -- among them the elevation of compassion over standards, the great emphasis placed on feelings, the rejection of patriarchy and the devaluation of traditional masculine virtues (like subdued emotional expression) -- female nature came to be seen as far less in need of discipline than male nature.

So, while society continued to teach boys to control themselves, it stopped teaching girls to do so. Girls' emotions and feelings were inherently valuable. And denying this was attacked as sexist, if not misogynistic.

Consequently, the women many of these girls grew into lacked the ability to control their natures, to control their emotions, or their moods, and therefore lacked the facility to engage in the self-control necessary for happiness and the avoidance of depression.

Another aspect of feminism that has probably contributed to many women's unhappiness was the rejection of femininity. Feminism was more often the celebration of masculine virtues (for women only, alas) than the celebration of feminine virtues. The latter were usually dismissed as weak, passive, underachieving or even oppressive. There are scores of examples. One is the rejection of feminine dress -- a girl who attends class at almost any high school or college wearing a skirt or dress is an anomaly. Another is coarse speech. A generation ago, men refrained from using curse words in front of women. Today many young women curse as readily as men (I have probably seen more women than men drivers make an obscene gesture at other drivers). Such behaviors were inconceivable when women were expected to act feminine. And, of course, the "liberated" female's celebration of casual sex, throughout history associated with male nature, is the antithesis of femininity.

This loss of femininity may well have contributed to many women's depression. Though in our foolish age femininity is often identified with weakness, it was in fact empowering for many women, giving them a distinct power and identity that was unavailable to men. Women are not generally happy being largely indistinguishable from men.

Which brings us to yet another cause of unhappiness among women -- the effects of all the above on men. Women are generally happier when they have a good man in their lives. And by "good man," I mean not only devoted and kind, but masculine as well. Yet the prevailing egalitarian doctrines have conspired not only to undermine femininity in women but masculinity in many men. Just as women were supposed to forge feminine virtues, men were supposed to relinquish masculine virtues, which have been derided as sexist, oppressive, patriarchal and, therefore, anachronistic.

However, once again, things did not work out for many women as feminism had led them to expect they would. The dearth of masculine men has not brought most women happiness, but unhappiness. Those who do not believe this should simply ask single adult women looking for a husband what their greatest problem is with the men they meet. "They are not men," is the single greatest lament. Not "they are not egalitarian enough" or "not sensitive enough."

And women without men are not, as the old feminist saying went, fish without bicycles. They are women without men.

The 1960s ushered in The Age of Hubris, a time of almost unprecedented levels of conceit that one knew better than all previous generations how to order life, that almost everything inherited from the past was just plain wrong and outdated. For this hubris we have paid, and will continue to pay, a steep price. And many women, untrained in subduing darker aspects of their natures, deprived of the female joy of femininity and increasingly deprived of men (as opposed to boys), are feeling the brunt of these losses. They call it depression.

http://townhall.com/Columnists/DennisPrager/2008/06/24/why_are_so_many_women_depressed?page=full&comments=true

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ginnyrose Dec 21, 2008

I want to make a brief comment - got to go get ready for worship service.

Women are generally happier when they have a good man in their lives.

AMEN! and AMEN! And this includes being married to one for life and birthing males; having a dad who is married to your mother; and having brother[s], if you're are lucky. My dad is dead now - I miss him but cherish the memories; my brother, whom I loved to sit down and visit with for long periods of time, has moved out of state - how I miss him but thank God for cell phones. And we have four boys - now men: how I love to visit with them. All these males in my life gives me balance, helps me a lot to think rationally. God bless them! Yup, I love males...I have been richly blessed with males - all a gift from God! :-)

OK, you men out there - go reconnect with your sister[s], if you have any, and be a blessing to her!

ginnyrose

sermonindex Dec 21, 2008


ginnyrose wrote:
I want to make a brief comment - got to go get ready for worship service.

Women are generally happier when they have a good man in their lives.

AMEN! and AMEN! And this includes being married to one for life and birthing males; having a dad who is married to your mother; and having brother[s], if you're are lucky. My dad is dead now - I miss him but cherish the memories; my brother, whom I loved to sit down and visit with for long periods of time, has moved out of state - how I miss him but thank God for cell phones. And we have four boys - now men: how I love to visit with them. All these males in my life gives me balance, helps me a lot to think rationally. God bless them! Yup, I love males...I have been richly blessed with males - all a gift from God! :-)

OK, you men out there - go reconnect with your sister[s], if you have any, and be a blessing to her!

ginnyrose

Amen, I had no brothers so I am very thankful for brothers..spiritual brothers in the Lord which are the best brothers there are! :-)

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ginnyrose Dec 21, 2008

This article reminds me what my Presbyterian friend used to tell me when I would psycho-analyze bad behaviors. She would listen and after I finish my rant she would say "Sandra, it is because of sin!" I can now hear her say this after explaining this article to her. However, having said all this one must not be blind to the cultural trends and how it effects the church. The devil is sneaky and will take his good old time if he thinks he will win: just go slow and get people used to the dark gradually, and when it is dark they will devise ways to lighten the room. And people have done a fantastic job at that.

Women have always worked in the marketplace however this trend was accelerated after WW2 and has since spiraled out of control. Higher education was promoted among females to ensure a decent wage for time spent at work because females were paid less then males for the same work performed.

In the meantime, divorce was becoming more frequent so the need to become self-sufficient was greater. Now women needed more specialized training to accommodate the loss of income incurred by divorce. Another trend asserted it self by unregenerate males working in close proximity to unregenerate females providing lots of opportunities for lust that led to divorce. Now females were thrust into the arena of being a provider for themselves plus their children.

This is what popular culture has done and too many Christians have unwittingly participated in this by taking their daughters out of the home and promoted their secular education at the expense of learning domestic skills that are essential to making a house a home. Too many educated females care little about making the home an orderly place to be, to kick back and relax. Homemaking has been spurned, mocked as being beneath one's dignity to pursue. What is the alternative?

May I suggest that daughters be taught homemaking skills that include cooking, baking - beginning with basic ingredients; cleaning a house on a schedule; learn some craft that will beautify your house; take an interest in child development; learn the value of making your money go further by thrift; learn the value of postponing instant gratification done by impulse buying; learn to sew modest clothes for yourself and other family members; teach gardening, the growing of fruits and veggies and then preserving the excess. If a girl is taught all these skills it will be of great value to the male she will marry because she will not need as much money to run a household. She will be very productive.

Must run now - our church meets to go Christmas caroling. May write more later...

Any comments, anyone?

ginnyrose

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Tears_of_joy Dec 22, 2008

Here is an article for consideration:

http://www.savethemales.ca/040902.html

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frontier Dec 22, 2008

Ginnyrose,your post tempts comment. Yes I agree with what you say. Sounds like your "daughter" would make some farm lad a good wife. No, I've been happily married 42 years.

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Tears_of_joy wrote:
Here is an article for consideration:

http://www.savethemales.ca/040902.html

Great article. The more I delve into this subject the more I see how far we have declined. It's shocking! I thank God for women like [url=http://www.yoursacredcalling.blogspot.com/]Stacy McDonald[/url] and others who are trying to get women back to where they left off I guess you could say. It makes me wonder what this has done to men. They came out with this [url=http://artofmanliness.com/]site for men[/url]. My husband thought it was great. I'm finding more and more of these sites.

The Lord is using these people and addressing this issue by using women like, Stacy McDonald and [url=http://www.ladiesagainstfeminism.com/] Jennie Chancey[/url].


sermonindex Dec 24, 2008

For those of you who may not have heard it yet my husband thought this was really good so I am posting it again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX8KWSuEhIc

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TroyorTakoda Dec 24, 2008

Is it absolutely necessary that one have a "significant other" in their life to be happy? Is the grace of Jesus not sufficient for us?

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ginnyrose Dec 25, 2008

Quote by Troyor:

"Is it absolutely necessary that one have a "significant other" in their life to be happy? Is the grace of Jesus not sufficient for us?"

As a married woman who has lived in this state for 41 years I can say with absolute certainity the answer to this question is "NO!". Allow me to explain.

If you marry for the purpose of "personal happiness" you will be disappointed - eventually. This purpose reeks of selfishness and selfishness has absolutely no place in a sucessful marriage. Consider Ephesians 5:25: Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her." This text implies a sacrifice on the husbands' part for the betterment of his wife. And sacrifice is not pleasant, it hurts. Having said this, marriage is satisfying. I love being married and if my DH would die, I would miss him and the relationship. It is the lack of relationship many widows find difficult to deal with.

Some are called to singleness and find the grace of God adequate to live in this state.

If you are making a decision of marrying or not marrying on the basis of personal happiness, seems to me you are in serious error because no one state can promise one perpetual happiness. Happiness as a goal is ellusive: it is the by-product of serving and living in obedience to God.

My observation and opinion...

Blessings,
ginnyrose

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JoanM Dec 30, 2008

The reference to Hubris and the last paragraph of RebeccaF’s original post stood out to me.

I have debated for a while about posting this but the loss in the Body of Christ (and of course our nation) really needs addressing. The question is, "How"? We may have a small group of women in my fellowship led to pray together for the men in their life. Knowing God and what happens in prayer I am encouraged. So, something to consider for the record are the following:

I should say that do not follow Derek Prince, or take great interest in spiritual warfare, but I did find a lot to agree with, (biblical agreement) in his two-part message:[url=Women in the Church - Part 1 by Derek Prince; ]Women in the Church - Part 1 by Derek Prince; [/url]and [url=Women in the Church - Part 2 by Derek Prince.]Women in the Church - Part 2 by Derek Prince.[/url]

And his further thinking about women in [url=Witchcraft - Public Enemy #1 - Part 1 by Derek Prince; and ]Witchcraft - Public Enemy #1 - Part 1 by Derek Prince; [/url]and [url=Witchcraft - Public Enemy #1 - Part 2 by Derek Prince.]Witchcraft - Public Enemy #1 - Part 2 by Derek Prince.[/url]

These added a dimension to Denny Kenaston’s message “Where are the men?” [url= (Godly Home) Part 22 - Where are the Men ] (Godly Home) Part 22 - Where are the Men? [/url]

On the practical application of scripture side, I also found this Question and Answer by a pastor and wife remarkable. It was generated by a sermon series that distinguished between sisters that are walls verses sisters that are doors from SOS 8:9 - If she [be] a wall, we will build upon her a palace of silver: and if she [be] a door, we will inclose her with boards of cedar. It is preceded by a cartoon video. [url=http://www.marshillchurch.org/media/the-peasant-princess/greatest-hits-q-a]Link[/url]

I did not listen to the sermon series (archived as “The Peasant Princess”). This church is a growing church in a very godless community in Seattle.

Maybe I should add there are no doubt errors in all these offerings. The question is whether there is something useful and biblically true.

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JoanM wrote:
On the practical application of scripture side, I also found this Question and Answer by a pastor and wife remarkable. It was generated by a sermon series that distinguished between sisters that are walls verses sisters that are doors from SOS 8:9 - If she [be] a wall, we will build upon her a palace of silver: and if she [be] a door, we will inclose her with boards of cedar. It is preceded by a cartoon video. [url=http://www.marshillchurch.org/media/the-peasant-princess/greatest-hits-q-a]Link[/url]

I did not listen to the sermon series (archived as “The Peasant Princess”). This church is a growing church in a very godless community in Seattle.

Maybe I should add there are no doubt errors in all these offerings. The question is whether there is something useful and biblically true.

This is a great video. Thanks for posting this! I may comment more when I get home. :-)

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White_Stone Dec 30, 2008

[b][size=medium][color=CC0033][font=Verdana]Happiness as a goal is ellusive: it is the by-product of serving and living in obedience to God.[/font][/color][/size][/b]

Dear Sister ginnyrose,

This was a Red Letter post, I rate it 5 STARS!! Your "observation and opinion" echos mine.

After close to 34 years of marriage, (20 of which were spent living in various vans, buses and old campers - literally singing for our supper) my husband and I are welded into 'one' person who happens to be living in two bodies. Thank God, 5 years into our travels we were both saved. After that, although our life got tougher, our Faith got stronger. We can look back at some events we lived through and see how God used us to allow others to store up blessings in Heaven. Some things still are a mystery to us but we believe all things work to the good for those that love God.

[b][color=0000FF]Romans 8:28 And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose[/color][/b]

That reminds me of a story that circulated in emails a while ago, the gist of it was - from the back of a tapestry it is unclear what all the threads depict, but looking at the front you can see what it is. Right now, while on Earth, we can only see the back of the marvelous tapestry God weaves with our lives (through a glass darkly). We look forward to the day we shall see be able to worship Him in person.

Excuse my rambling, I feel so much like sharing. . .
white stone

sermonindex Dec 31, 2008


JoanM wrote:
It is preceded by a cartoon video. [url=http://www.marshillchurch.org/media/the-peasant-princess/greatest-hits-q-a]Link[/url]

Verse often quoted in this video:

1 Timothy 5:8
But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.


OUCH!!!


sermonindex Jan 9, 2009

I just wanted to say here that I think it is important for men especially to remember and know that just as many men as women have a feministic mindset. The majority of the men I know have wives that work and if you tried to tell them their wives should be home and quit thier job you would be ever-so grateful if you weren't at arms length when you said it--seriously! These men would rather kill you than have their money machine taken away. One man I work with has a wife that is in the pharmacutical business and makes ALOT of money, he reminds me of Elmer Fudd :-D . Everyone calls him Peter Pan because he works at most a 20 hour week and complains about it. They go on trips, live in a mansion and he loves it. He hates working and like the Cindy Lauper song he "just wants to have fun!"

So my point is feminism is not just something that women started. Also MOST PASTORS are feminists and have no problem with their wives preaching. If you want to do away with feminism in the church you have to go to the root of it.

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Miccah Jan 9, 2009


RebeccaF wrote:


I just wanted to say here that I think it is important for men especially to remember and know that just as many men as women have a feministic mindset. The majority of the men I know have wives that work and if you tried to tell them their wives should be home and quit thier job you would be ever-so grateful if you weren't at arms length when you said it--seriously! These men would rather kill you than have their money machine taken away. One man I work with has a wife that is in the pharmacutical business and makes ALOT of money, he reminds me of Elmer Fudd :-D . Everyone calls him Peter Pan because he works at most a 20 hour week and complains about it. They go on trips, live in a mansion and he loves it. He hates working and like the Cindy Lauper song he "just wants to have fun!"

So my point is feminism is not just something that women started. Also MOST PASTORS are feminists and have no problem with their wives preaching. If you want to do away with feminism in the church you have to go to the root of it.


Great post Rebecca. This is very true.

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Also, if a man wants his wife to work it doesn't mean he is a [i]feminist[/i]. Feminism is a teaching or a philosophy but just because you were brought up this way and were taught this or have a somewhat feministic lifestyle doesn't neccesarily make you a feminist. If that were true my husband and I would be feminists and were definately NOT.

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