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Offenses - Gareth Evans

sermonindex Dec 27, 2008

When I was in Scotland with part of my family, we had the privileged blessing of spending time with brother Gareth Evans. He was our wonderful chauffeur for most our time in Greenock. :) Several times the topic of offenses came up in conversation, and he kept mentioning to be careful not to let the monkey get on your shoulder. So I decided to listen to his message on offenses when I got home. And there was the story about the monkeys! Now I understand what he meant. :) And I encourage others to listen to this sermon and find out what it means to have a monkey on your shoulder, so that you will be careful never to let it happen!

[url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/singlefile.php?lid=15640&commentView=itemComments]Offenses by Gareth Evans (audio sermon)[/url]

Also, I discovered on his website a short series on offenses. I'll be posting this six part series over the next few days.

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[url=http://www.garethevansministries.org/pages/teachings/offenses/losing-our-fruit-and-the-supernatural-work-of-god.php]Part One: Matthew 13[/url]

Have you ever been offended? I'm sure you have .... but have you ever realised just how damaging this can be to yourself and to others.

Jesus told us that offences will surely come. You cannot avoid them, but you can decide what you will do with them. Being offended is not the same as being wronged or sinned against. When you are offended by someone else's action or attitude, the offence is yours, not theirs!

Jesus was the cause of offence to many but He never sinned against them. I want to look at some Biblical examples of those who took offense and at what it cost them.

In Matthew 13 Jesus tells the parable of the sower and the seed. Some seed fell on stony ground where it had not much root. It sprang up and was quickly scorched by the sun. He said that this is like the man who receives the word of life gladly but, when persecution comes because of the Word, he is offended, and turns away from the faith.

How many have become Christian believers because they were promised a wonderful life but were never warned that Jesus calls us to the disciplined life of taking up our cross and following Him, if we would know the truths of His promise.

When it became tough, they fell away, being offended. The result was that the seed sown produced no fruit. The Holy Spirit wants to produce the fruit of love, joy, peace in our lives but, when we take offence, there can be no such fruit.

Later in the same chapter, we read that Jesus came to His own town of Nazareth and stood up in the synagogue to read on the Sabbath day. The people who heard Him had known Him as a young lad and familiarity had bred contempt. "Who does he think he is?" they said. "Isn't his father Joseph the carpenter and aren't his family our neighbours?" Matthew 13:57 records that they took offence at Him. The result was that He did not do many miracles there.

When we are offended, we will not only produce no fruit in our lives but we also hinder the supernatural work of God in our community!

sermonindex Dec 27, 2008

Psalm 119:165
Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

1 John 4:20
If a man say, [b]I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar:[/b] for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

sermonindex Dec 28, 2008

The one thing that has always blessed me about this forum is we all meet here (hopefully)because we love God and that's the only reason.

[b]1 John 4:20If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?[/b]

[b]1 John 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.[/b]

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[url=http://www.garethevansministries.org/pages/teachings/offenses/losing-our-confidence-and-our-testimony.php]Part Two: Matthew 26[/url]

One day a woman came into the house where Jesus was resting. She was carrying an expensive vase of perfume which she broke open to pour the contents upon His head. She wished to bless Him with this anointing but the disciples, especially Judas, were offended when they saw what she had done.

"Why this waste?" they exclaimed. "Couldn't this perfume have been sold and the proceeds given to the poor?"

The apostle John tells us that Judas wasn't really concerned about the poor but was offended because he was a thief and wanted to take advantage of any money which might have come into the disciples' hands. (John 12:6)

This was the catalyst that finally made him go out to the chief priests, the enemies of Jesus, in order to betray his master. Maybe he wanted to force His hand to bring about the kingdom of heaven which He had promised. Maybe things were moving too slowly for Judas. Whatever he was thinking, his offence prodded him into action.

He had lost confidence in the Lord and his offence had magnified this to the point of betrayal!

Be sure, another fruit of being offended is a loss of confidence, leading to betrayal.

How often Christian leaders have been put out of office because someone took offence at something they said or did!

Later, in the same chapter of Matthew's gospel, chapter 26, we read that Jesus warns His disciples that many will be offended because of Him this very night, as He will be taken by the chief priests and scribes to be beaten and crucified. Peter vehemently protests that he will never be offended, even if everyone else is.

How he must have regretted those words just a few hours later. He had managed to enter the kitchen of Pilate's home where Jesus was being tried. There a young maid had recognised him as one of Jesus' followers. Maybe she wanted to know more about the Lord but Peter was offended as Jesus had prophesied, and he swore that there was no relationship between him and this criminal being tried!

He repeated this denial two more times before he heard the cock crow and realised how his offence had cost him his testimony.

Taking offence can cause us to lose our fruit, our confidence and our testimony. It also hinders us in experiencing the supernatural working of God in our lives and community. The result of being offended can be very bitter!

sermonindex Dec 29, 2008

[url=http://www.garethevansministries.org/pages/teachings/offenses/losing-our-communion.php]Part Three: John 6[/url]

This is a very long chapter with teaching quite difficult to understand. The disciples said, "This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?" Jesus is telling his followers that they must "eat His flesh and drink His blood" if they would be His people.

In retrospect we can understand this as a call to communion - identification with one another in the Body of Christ.

In the upper room, the night before He died, Jesus had made many wonderful promises to the disciples - and hence to us - peace the world could not give, a joy that would be "full", the Holy Spirit to dwell within, a home in Heaven.

He also asked of them three things: that they serve one another as He demonstrated by washing their feet; that they love one another as He commanded; that they obey His word.

He then instituted the "Lord's Supper" - a covenant meal. A covenant is an agreement between two parties - the terms of which are the promises and requirements expressed above.

Every time we take the bread in 'communion' we are declaring ourselves members of His body, His 'flesh'; every time we take the cup we are declaring our agreement to the covenant - to serve one another, love one another and to obey His word. This is what He was asking of His followers in John 6 - a call to communion.

Do you get offended when told that the King commands you to love the brethren, including those whose doctrine and styles of worship are so different to yours?

Those listening to Jesus found this difficult to accept. They were offended by Him (v.61) with the result that many of His disciples followed Him no more. They lost their communion with Him.

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RobertW Dec 29, 2008

Hi Joy,

I listened to Gareth's message yesterday and found it quite refreshing. I think his main point is very important.

I have since thought about the youth leading worship with red hair and a lip ring and the other youth type things that tend to be 'offensive' to me (I guess). As a youth pastor I have seen a lot of things passed off in the name of Christ and have been particularly sensitive to it. Just being honest.

Perhaps the Lord is trying to deal with [i]me[/i] here? I'm ready to nail my colours to the mast when folk judge others that are trying to worship or respond to God in ways they don't think is appropriate, etc., but then I do the same things when I see young people dressed like punk rockers as Christians or youth meeting rooms that are blackened out like a night club. Maybe I have been blinded by the offense and inconsistent in my aggravation?

But I think that these types of offenses are often the result of our not liking people serving Christ in a way that we don't agree with. But really, [i]to his own Master he/she stands or falls.[/i] That is to say, a lot of the things we get angry about are really none of our business. It's as if we might tell the Lord, "What about them? What about the lip ring and the red hair? What about their black fingernails?" And the Lord simply replies, "What is that to thee? Follow [i]thou[/i] Me!"

sermonindex Dec 29, 2008


RobertW wrote:
That is to say, a lot of the things we get angry about are really none of our business. It's as if we might tell the Lord, "What about them? What about the lip ring and the red hair? What about their black fingernails?" And the Lord simply replies, "What is that to thee? Follow [i]thou[/i] Me!"

Yes, brother Robert, amen. Thank you for sharing how the message spoke to you.

sermonindex Dec 29, 2008

[url=http://www.garethevansministries.org/pages/teachings/offenses/john-the-baptist.php]Part Four: John the Baptist.[/url]

We are looking at what can happen in our lives when we take offence. We have to take ownership for the offence we carry and not try to pass the blame onto others.

Offence is NOT sin. Taking offence upon ourselves is sin! Jesus often caused offence but no one would recognise His actions as sin. He offended the Pharisees; He offended the demons; He even offended His own family!

There are two examples I wish to show you when He seems to deliberately offend those He loved!

John the Baptist was a cousin to Jesus and was the one who first declared that Jesus was the "lamb of God, come to take away the sin of the world". He had baptised Jesus in the Jordan and had seen the dove descend upon Him and had heard the Father's voice from Heaven. Of all men, John knew that Jesus was the Messiah.

Later, as Jesus began His ministry, John's importance declined until he was taken by Herod and cast into prison. I can imagine his thoughts as he lay there.

"My cousin is the Messiah and he has come to overthrow Herod's little empire and to establish His own kingdom! He'll get me out of this prison soon for He has declared that He has come to set the prisoner free. Surely it wont be long! John sits back in his cell and waits .. and waits ... and waits.

Meanwhile, Jesus continues His ministry in the neighbouring villages, not even finding the time to visit His cousin in prison! Surely He would at least come to visit Him! Others did! He does not come - and John is offended!

John's disciples are sent to Jesus to ask a question. "Are you truly the Messiah or should we wait for another?" ie; "You do not meet our expectations!" (Matthew 11)

Jesus replies "Go and tell John what you have seen and heard. The blind receive their sight and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up and the poor have the gospel preached to them, and blessed is the man who is not offended in me". In other words, "I am doing exactly what I was anointed to do!" (Luke 4:18,19)

Could it be that the Lord allowed offence to come to John to teach him something about himself. Though John had declared that He must increase and I must decrease, John had to learn that the agenda, the timetable, must be the Lord's, not ours.

sermonindex Dec 29, 2008

[url=http://www.garethevansministries.org/pages/teachings/offenses/mary-of-bethany.php] Part Five: Mary of Bethany[/url]

Jesus had some special friends who lived in the small village of Bethany.

He was just a few miles away when He heard that His friend Lazarus was dying and that the sisters, Mary and Martha were grieving for him. When He heard this, Jesus stayed several days longer in the place where He was! We read of no miracles, no teaching that He did during that time! And Lazarus died!

On the journey to Bethany, Jesus taught just one simple truth. He who walks in the light does not stumble (is not offended), but he who walks in darkness is offended for he does not see the light.

When Jesus finally came to Bethany, Lazarus had been in the tomb for four days and his sisters were in deep sorrow. It was Martha who came out to greet the Lord.

That is noteworthy as she was the one we normally consider to be the drudge, the one who was kitchen bound, while her sister Mary would leave everything to sit at Jesus' feet, washing them with costly perfume and wiping them with her hair while absorbing everything He said. The Bible adds the interesting comment, "but Mary stayed at the house!"

Today, Mary would be prominent in Christian activity, President of the local Women's Adoration Group, while her sister would be in the background making coffee and serving cookies.

Martha says to Jesus, "Lord if you had been here my brother would not have died". Jesus assures her that He is the resurrection and the life. I do not hear any condemnation in the comment of Martha, just a sadness.

She then goes to Mary to ask her to come to Jesus. Why isn't Mary already there? Surely she knows He is coming! Everyone would be aware of that, but Mary still sat in the house. Why?

May I suggest that she was pouting! She was offended!

When she comes to Jesus, she falls before Him and says the same words as Martha, "Lord, if you had been here, my brother would not have died". This time Jesus wept!

Not because Lazarus was dead. He had known that for some time and also knew that, in a short while, all would be rejoicing at his resurrection. He did not weep because Mary, Martha and their friends were in sorrow. He had known they would be for that was natural at the death of a loved one.

He wept because Mary was offended! Jesus would die for our offences but He still grieves when we take offence.

Did He allow Mary to be offended because she had to learn that obedience and trust are more important than prominence and popularity in the Lord's service? Greatness in the Kingdom is counted to those who would be least, even as servants.

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[url=http://www.garethevansministries.org/pages/teachings/offenses/why-he-allows-offenses-to-come.php]Part Six: Why He allows offenses to come. (final part)[/url]

"Offences will surely come" said Jesus. (Luke 17:1)

He has promised to deliver us from evil but has not promised to deliver us from the causes of offence. He allows them to come to challenge our attitudes.

I have given you six examples from the Scriptures of those who were offended and we have seen the terrible result upon them. They lost their fruit, their confidence, their testimony and the supernatural working of God in their midst. The price is too high!

Jesus allowed His special friends to face offence so that they might learn some home truths. John the Baptist might have to learn that Jesus does not always do what we expect of Him. He is Lord and His agenda takes priority over ours.

Mary, sister of Lazarus, might need to know that obedience and trust are far more important than prominence and public displays in the service of the Lord.

What is it you need to learn? Is it possible that the offences you are facing have been allowed by the Lord so that you also can learn something about yourself?

What then should you do when offended?

Firstly, own the offence. It is yours and you must bear responsibility for its fruit.

Second: ask yourself, "What should I learn from this? Why am I offended? Is it challenging my ego, my expectations, my selfishness? In reacting this way, am I in danger of losing my testimony, my peace, my joy?

Third: receive the grace of God that enables you to pro-act to the offence, not react. The writer to the Hebrews says, "Be careful not to come short of the grace of God, lest there spring up in you a root of bitterness which not only effects you but defiles many others."

Fourth: Cast the offence off your shoulders and bury it!

Fifth: Pray blessings upon the one who offended you.

Finally, be careful not to be the one who causes offence! Whereas the Lord can allow offences to come to us, He shows no pleasure in those who cause them!

May it be true of us that we neither cause nor take offence, so that Satan may never gain an advantage in spiritual warfare because of us - and we cause our beloved Saviour to weep!

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LarryD Jan 1, 2009

I have read part 4: John the Baptist. I am sorry but I have to totally disagree with the implication that John the Baptist was in any way offended by Jesus.

Quote:

John's disciples are sent to Jesus to ask a question. "Are you truly the Messiah or should we wait for another?" ie; "You do not meet our expectations!" (Matthew 11)

After reading this quote I think I am not feeling well. Who teaches this stuff?

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rbanks Jan 2, 2009


RobertW wrote:
Hi Joy,

I listened to Gareth's message yesterday and found it quite refreshing. I think his main point is very important.

I have since thought about the youth leading worship with red hair and a lip ring and the other youth type things that tend to be 'offensive' to me (I guess). As a youth pastor I have seen a lot of things passed off in the name of Christ and have been particularly sensitive to it. Just being honest.

Perhaps the Lord is trying to deal with [i]me[/i] here? I'm ready to nail my colours to the mast when folk judge others that are trying to worship or respond to God in ways they don't think is appropriate, etc., but then I do the same things when I see young people dressed like punk rockers as Christians or youth meeting rooms that are blackened out like a night club. Maybe I have been blinded by the offense and inconsistent in my aggravation?

But I think that these types of offenses are often the result of our not liking people serving Christ in a way that we don't agree with. But really, [i]to his own Master he/she stands or falls.[/i] That is to say, a lot of the things we get angry about are really none of our business. It's as if we might tell the Lord, "What about them? What about the lip ring and the red hair? What about their black fingernails?" And the Lord simply replies, "What is that to thee? Follow [i]thou[/i] Me!"

I also agree that there is a lot of truth in this message concerning offenses and not being offended.

Let’s look at these two scriptures.

Lu 17:1 Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come!

Mt 11:6 And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me.

I believe that the Lord is trying to tell us to deny ourselves and be willing to change to the glory of God. It is not our will but His will that we are to follow regardless of other peoples offenses toward us. He is also trying to tell us that we will be blessed indeed if we don’t allow anything that is of Him in word or deed to offend us but that we are to be transformed into His image.

The only part I don’t quite follow Him on is when some one is doing something that one might believe is not right. I think you can, not agree with the way others are doing things they call worship with out being offended…but believe that it is not acceptable unto the Lord. I may not allow it to offend me to the point that I loose any fellowship to my Lord but I may not accept it because of the Love I have grown in…to the Lord.

Grace to all!


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ChrisJD Jan 2, 2009

Hi everyone,


I was wanting to suggest something about the passages from Luke 17:1 and Mat 11:6 that we are looking at together. I'm not sure that the two have the same thing in view?

It seems to me that the passage in Luke is at least a warning against [b]causing offences[/b], verse 2 especially?


And then, the passage in Matthew seems rather to have reactions to the Lord Jesus in view?


It seems as though these same two passages were perhaps considered together earlier in the thread also? The following is from part one of the series:


Jesus told us that offences will surely come. You cannot avoid them, but you can decide what you will do with them. Being offended is not the same as being wronged or sinned against. When you are offended by someone else's action or attitude, the offence is yours, not theirs!

Jesus was the cause of offence to many but He never sinned against them.


I'm not sure that [i]being offended is not the same as being wronged or sinned against[/i], at least I'm not sure that they may never be the same. It seems to me that that is exactly what is in view though in Luke 17:1-4?

Of course, we could be offended at something that is not wrong, or if we have not been sinned against, but that doesn't seem to be in view here?

About the other part, concerning the Lord and how others where offended at Him though He never sinned, I think that we should be careful to consider what a special and peculiar example this is!! I think of Isaiah chapter 8 verse 14 for instance.

But I think that we should be especially carefull of this [b]if we are to compare ourselves here to the Lord Jesus, and suggest that we too may do things which offend others, and not be sinning against them[/b].


For instance, we may appeal to some of the things that the Lord Jesus said and feel as though we may say them also and not be concerned if others stumble at it or are grieved, or hurt, or offended by what we say. But He also said that He spoke the words of God!


Take for a specific example, what He said to the religous leaders in Mat 23:27.


But can we easily say that to others? Even if it were true?


Well, didn't Paul say something similar to the high priest when he was before the religous leaders in Acts 23(verses 1-5)? But it appears that Paul was wrong(v5). Even if he was permitted to say what he said, did he not err through his own ignorance of who he was speaking to?


But such a thing could never have been said of the Lord Jesus(Jn 2:24, 5:30).


Well, thank you all for considering those things. I hope that my weak ability to share these things will not hinder anyone. Please correct me wherever I might be wrong or confusing to you.

Wish you all well,

Chris

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RobertW Jan 2, 2009

John's disciples are sent to Jesus to ask a question. "Are you truly the Messiah or should we wait for another?" ie; "You do not meet our expectations!" (Matthew 11)

After reading this quote I think I am not feeling well. Who teaches this stuff?

I think the context here suggests that Gareth believes that John Baptist took a similar view to the coming of Messiah as the vast majority of the Jews and especially the Galileans. Hind sight is 20/20 for us, but the Jews had Messianic concepts that very much involved being liberated from Roman oppression.

This desire for liberation is essentially what caused the first and second Jewish Revolt (Ad 70 and AD 135). I think this is what was back of Gareth's view:

"My cousin is the Messiah and he has come to overthrow Herod's little empire and to establish His own kingdom! He'll get me out of this prison soon for He has declared that He has come to set the prisoner free. Surely it wont be long! John sits back in his cell and waits .. and waits ... and waits.

Meanwhile, Jesus continues His ministry in the neighbouring villages, not even finding the time to visit His cousin in prison! Surely He would at least come to visit Him! Others did! He does not come - and John is offended!

John's disciples are sent to Jesus to ask a question. "Are you truly the Messiah or should we wait for another?" ie; "You do not meet our expectations!" (Matthew 11)

You will know that a couple of Jesus' disciples were formerly John Baptist's disciples (Andrew and Peter see John 1). We would suspect that these men would have known that Jesus would not have come to overthrow Rome if John Baptist has taught them that. So we have only a few options.

1. Either John Baptist didn't think it important enough to bring up.

2. Peter and Andrew did not believe John Baptist when he taught this.

3. John Baptist simply did not understand the fullness of what Christ came to do and only taught what he knew.

Several of the disciples can be linked to the [url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/articles/index.php?view=article&aid=1951]Jewish Freedom Movement. [/url] Peter, Andrew and Simon the Zealot in particular. With such radical freedom views, it is hard to imagine John Baptist was communicating a message that was contrary to what these men believed unless they simply run roughshod over it.

In summary I think it is plausible that Gareth Evans is right, but we don't know for sure. ;-)

J
JoanM Jan 2, 2009

Oh how important the subject of “Offenses” is in our growth in Christ. I thank God, Gareth, and my sister for adding more scripture to my understanding for application. [u]To my thinking Gareth presents a sub-section of biblical teaching on the nature of Offenses[/u].

I agree clarification is needed. With respect to the similarity or difference between SIN and OFFENSE, it is helpful to me to remember WHO is sinned against when we sin. Looking into the Greek for these words was also helpful.

Below are the two scriptures that began my understanding of how to think and act on offenses. The scriptures come from a message that God used by Lou Sutera titled “God’s Collision Course.” to set my feet on solid ground. The first scripture is:

[b]#1. When I have sinned against my brother (my brother sees it so)[/b]. Mathew 5:23-24 - Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee; Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.

I have longed to see a pastor to suspend the collection of offerings until this Mathew verse had been applied fully in the Body. I think revival would break out in some churches if this were done. A pastor could easily see how this is needed because pastors say members withhold offerings when they are offended.

The second scripture is:

[b]#2. When my brother has sinned against me (I see it so). Mark 11: 25-26 [/b] – And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses. But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father, which is in heaven, forgive your trespasses.

I have added verse 26 because, like in Mathew 6, God emphasizes the importance of forgiving through the certain consequences of un-forgiveness.

[b]Summary[/b]: I am not to allow my brother to remain in the offended state (with out respect to whether or not I sinned against him) AND I am not to remain in the offended state (without regard to whether or not I was sinned against). These things affect prayer and any offering to God, probably making prayer ineffective and maybe offerings unacceptability.

I think I’ll stop here. It is late and the more ideas on a post, the more confusing things can be. ChrisJD as well as RobertW raised multiple things to get clear about biblically.

Greg may be able to add a copy of that message (God’s Collision Course) since Lou Sutera is listed in our sermon section.

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JoanM Jan 2, 2009

[u]From Gareth - Part One[/u]: [i]” Have you ever been offended? I'm sure you have .... but have you ever realized just how damaging this can be to yourself and to others.”[/i]

I think the subject of causing, receiving, and picking up offenses is very important to growth in Christ. It divides churches and families. [u]Or maybe this could bring it home[/u]: Have you ever read a thread that has been locked? Have you ever been a poster on a thread that has been locked? Was there damage done?

One tiny comment I’d like to make on this subject [u]and what the Bible has to say about it[/u] is related to a point in [u]Part 6[/u]:[i] “What is it you need to learn? Is it possible that the offences you are facing have been allowed by the Lord so that you also can learn something about yourself?”[/i]

[u]One Old Testament image of this is found in Deuteronomy 23:8[/u][i]“thou shalt not abhor an Egyptian; because thou wast a stranger in his land.”[/i] Oppressed, enslaved, children murdered, workload increased, none of these things were to be received as an offense?!

The Hebrew word for Egypt — [i]Mitzrayim [/i]— means narrow and constricted passage way, just like a birth canal. Egypt was the womb of the nation of Israel in so far as Israel grew there. Some think that the challenge and adversity both in Egypt and in coming out of Egypt forged the strength that was needed to survive just as years in the desert grew them. I saw these ideas [u]today[/u] in Rabbi Daniel Lapin Thought tools #53 01/01/09.

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