choking newborns

I want to post this with humility, but I must admit to a little indignation at the lack of wisdom I see on display here recently.

Mat 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 18:4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 18:5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.
Mat 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

This concerns the religious debate over the young lady's question on makeup. There is no debate in the heart of one who learns to commune with the Holy Spirit-HE has been sent to guide us into all truth, but you wouldn't know that to read some of the debates on this forum. Ever wonder why God gave us 2 ears , 2 eyes and only 1 mouth?

I love Sermon Index, it is one of my favorite websites. But when someone young in the Lord, asks a question about make up and people just can't restrain themselves from giving their opinions and quoting a bunch of Scripture a young lady can't possibly comprehend, are you not possibly choking a newborn with your theology and doctrine? This is dangerous when you consider all the different, often conflicting answers given to this young lady. How confusing! God is not the Author of confusion!

I would just like to ask those of you who have so much information and knowledge of Scripture to exercise some restraint and wisdom. Remember when 16 year old girls who have an honest desire to learn what is right and wrong, and serve Christ, (which is of great value in His sight!) ask a question, stop trying to feed young ones and newborns a steak when they can't swallow it and may just need some milk. How about just encouraging them to seek Christ, and pray and read, and trust His promise:

"I will instruct you and teach you in the way you shall go and guide you with My eye" Psa 32:8

Stop choking the newborns and babes with a bunch of doctrine that spiritually they can't comprehend yet. Point them back to prayer, the Word, and the Master! I pray this young lady was not overwhelmed and discouraged by this. If all you can offer is opinion, that is not backed up by Scripture, please, show me one place where God's Son on this earth ever gave man, woman, boy or child, His opinion? He didn't. Since He set the example those who make it will follow, may He help us learn to keep ours to ourselves.

It's a good word, Kathleen. Thank you.

If all you can offer is opinion, that is not backed up by Scripture, please, show me one place where God's Son on this earth ever gave man, woman, boy or child, His opinion? He didn't. Since He set the example those who make it will follow, may He help us learn to keep ours to ourselves.

Thank you kathleen1,

white stone

When I first saw the thread title I feared that this might be a disturbing article about somebody literally choking babies. I almost didn't check it out because of that.

Kathleen, I think you and I are both wishing to see a sensitivity towards our readership. I hope you don't mind me sharing my thoughts about your title. When I read your comments, I knew what you meant, and I heartily agree! You are a sensitive person! Do you think a different title might be more to the point: ex: "Let's be Mindful of Young Believers" - or something like that?

Diane

A sensitive title? No, because many times people do not use wisdom, and they don't understand or stop to consider what harm their words can do. They can literally choke the spiritual life out of a babe in Christ, by sowing seeds of discouragement, confusion and despair. You would never try to force an infant with no teeth to eat a piece of steak, for fear of choking it, would you? People need to stop and think about what they say and ask themselves, when I face these words at the Judgment seat of Christ, will I be wishing I'd kept my mouth shut?

People need to learn restraint, and wisdom. This is where we need to die so Christ can live, so it is HIM that is seen, not self. Self wants to spout its knowledge, be seen, thought well of, admired, etc. Often, to young ones this can be very damaging. Because Christ is the one she needed to be pointed to, not what people think, or have written on the subject. Only HIS Word is Spirit and Life, not men's.

Religious talk is mostly a dead letter ministry that frequently kills. I was more interested in sparing the innocent than those who should know better.

[b][size=small][color=CC3366][font=Verdana]I was more interested in sparing the innocent than those who should know better.[/font][/color][/size][/b]

Amen

Leaning on His word.

[b][size=x-small][color=0000FF][font=Verdana]Romans 8:28 And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose.[/font][/color][/size][/b]

Greetings sister
I appreciate your heart but the title of your thread is a cause of concern for me. I often have allowed my younger boys to come on and read some of the sermons and so forth, but I know that this type of thread title (choking newborns) would be very upsetting to them. The image it puts in your thoughts is that of harming a baby. For a child that can be very upsetting. Maybe you might reconsider the title for the sake of people who are young in Christ as well as in years that visit Sermon Index?

God Bless
MJ

love Sermon Index, it is one of my favorite websites. But when someone young in the Lord, asks a question about make up and people just can't restrain themselves from giving their opinions and quoting a bunch of Scripture a young lady can't possibly comprehend, are you not possibly choking a newborn with your theology and doctrine? This is dangerous when you consider all the different, often conflicting answers given to this young lady. How confusing! God is not the Author of confusion!

A thousand Amens

For those who find the title of this thread offensive, and those who are concerned it may upset their children. You have a perfect opportunity to teach you children what the term means and why it was used.

It is a very sad thing to appear more upset about the title of this thread than what happened on the other. As I type this I see there are 42 guests online, how do we appear to those guests?

Kind regards,
white stone

Greetings White_Stone

I did not mean to give anyone the impression that I was upset or angry about the title of the thread. I simply asked that perhaps their might be another one chosen for the sake of younger children who come here and read. For my son I know the term(choking newborns) would cause him to be upset. For him it would make him think of a baby being choked. In all honestly I thought that too. When I first read the title of the thread, I thought that someone had posted another news story about some parent killing their child and I was apprehensive about even viewing the thread. In the end it does not make a difference if the author of the thread chooses to keep the title or not. Sadly my husband feels that perhaps this is no longer the best place for my son to visit because of some of the way things have been written in the forum of late. So he will no longer be coming here. There is much I am praying about as well. My desire above all else is to live daily unto the Lord and to walk in such a way that is pleasing to Him.

If anyone was offended by my post asking for the sake of my son that the title be changed then please accept my apologies, it was not my heart or intention to cause any strife.

Thanks for your time and God bless you
MJ

Edit-I wanted to make clear that my husbands decision to no longer allow my son to come to the site was not only because of the title of this thread. There were many factors involved and much prayer. For me my heart filled desire is to post in such a way that others might be encouraged and edified. I don't want my time here on sermon index to be about me but rather to further His kingdom. I need to be sure that is the motivation of my own heart. thank you all

Perhaps it would be better for your son to go where there is real substance on this site-the audio sermons, the video sermons...and avoid the discussion forum altogether. Instead of worrying about being upset or offended by the title, perhaps this would be a time to teach him how dangerous religion can be. There is a real enemy out there and shielding him from the truth is just as dangerous. However, I agree, a debate forum full of conflicting opinions is not a good place for an impressionable young one.

White_Stone wrote:
For those who find the title of this thread offensive, and those who are concerned it may upset their children. You have a perfect opportunity to teach you children what the term means and why it was used.

It is a very sad thing to appear more upset about the title of this thread than what happened on the other. As I type this I see there are 42 guests online, how do we appear to those guests?

Just an amen. We need to be sure we are concerned about the real eternal issues. The title of this thread is bad. Letting your young people come on here to read the carnage under nicely titled threads is worse. It is possible that "choking spiritual newborns" would have been better, but as has been mentioned, this is a rough and tumble site. You really need to be prepared for anything.

personally,the title drew me to read the first post. I was moved by it,and immediately thought,good idea.

For those who find the title of this thread offensive, and those who are concerned it may upset their children. You have a perfect opportunity to teach you children what the term means and why it was used.

White-stone, Since I am one of those weaker ones who misread the title at first and suggested a different one, I will share my perspective:

Due to my busy life, I must exercise discretion in what I read. Periodically I pop into SermonIndex and browse the thread titles. There are certain kinds of titles that I tend to avoid right off the bat – at least, unless I have a Spirit nudging. Perhaps sometimes I am wrong in my assumption about the topic, as in this case. But usually I just avoid a thread if I think it will pull me down or be unfruitful for me. (My assumptions are based on my experience here on SI for a few years.)

Perhaps an SI thread could be started and maintained in which we could learn how to create effective titles, write meaningful and sensitive posts, format our material, acknowledge the voices of others, etc. That's what journalism and homiletics students must learn. Why shouldn't the rest of us learn some communication skills too? It’s all part of being sensitive to others and building a healthy cybercommunity; after all, it’s not about ourselves, right?

Diane

I am saddened and grieved that the title of this thread seems of more concern than people's souls. God help us, people, it's not about US or what we like it is about HIM and the souls HE DIED FOR!!! The title is graphic because the damage to babes in Christ is graphic!!