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The End times and 2012

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Fuegodedios Jan 26, 2009

In my opinion this whole 2012 thing is set up by satan himself to divert the attention of the masses from the true facts of biblical eschatology. I have not seen so many people take to Nostradamus, the Hoppi Indians, Edgar Casey, The Mayans and other prognosticators as they have today. This seems like a great attempt to try to blind men to what the scriptures have to say about the end times. It amazes me that even christains are caught up in this whole debacle looking to the Mayan calendar, Casey and Nostradamus when right in their possession is a bible that is inerrant,infallable and 100% accurate it is Gods truth that sets us free. One of the things I have noticed about this whole 2012 thing is that Jesus Christ is never mentioned and that is what rubs me the wrong way. The scriptures imply that the central mission of the Holy Spirit is to exalt Jesus Christ and him alone (John 16). All prophecy centers and revolves around the person of christ and his providential hand. The age will end with his glorious return. However this whole 2012 thing has no christ, No exaltation of the scriptures and it is anti-GOD, anti-Christ, and Anti-Holy Spirit because it does not bring one to rest upon biblical truth and the great hope of christ return. We must be careful in what we take in and know the signs of the times that are in line with and in accord with the scriptures alone. If we are in fear about 2012, Nostradamus, Edgar Casey or any other prognosticator then we have not come to rest in Hebrews 1:3 in which it says he uphold all things by the word of his power. Our Lord is still seated on the throne dear friends.

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MrBillPro Jan 26, 2009

What bothers me most about this, is it supposed to happen on 12/21/2012 this will be my 38th wedding anniversary on this date. :-o

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Compton Jan 26, 2009

Mr. Billpro,

It's a good thing we don't plan our lives according to the ancient Mayan calender, or that would be a real bummer. :)

MC

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Fuegodedios Jan 26, 2009

Amen Compton. If our lives were based on the Mayan calender then we all would be in a heap of mess. Thank God for his word and the truth it reveals and upholds. God bless my friend

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4givenchris Jan 26, 2009

I just think of how many people in the world will be deceived into actually believing that will be the end of the world. It could be similar, or worse, than the millennium crisis back in 2000 when people were buying up generators because all the computers in the world were going to crash. Satan has used this lie to plant that seed of fear into the world while erasing the hope of Christ.

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White_Stone Jan 26, 2009

Speaking of the lies satan has planted, one that has given me the most trouble until just recently is the lie of the US Constitution and the Nation as a whole.

The events of the last elections started me questioning many things I had believed. For instance the Bombing of Pearl Harbor, 9/11 the structure of our Gov't. Growing up in this Nation has given many a false sense of security. My eyes are open to this now and I finally feel more at ease with what is going on in Washington. I see I have only to lean on Jesus and each day will take care of itself. I am not going to worry any more.

We are preparing to plant a large garden but growing food is always a good idea, it is not with the plan to 'save ourselves.' We have purchased a pot belly stove to cook on and warm the house, not for survival but as a way of economizing and stretching the resources God makes available to us.

We do not watch for 2012, we watch the sky and look for His return and we tell as many as we can that we are only camping on this Earth, it is not our home, our home is with our God. Praise his name, Jesus.

Kind regards,
white stone

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4givenchris Jan 26, 2009


Growing up in this Nation has given many a false sense of security.

I have thought about this too just recently. Because we have become accustomed to the way of life here in the US, we think we are invincible. The way of American living will not last forever. This empire will fall, as many have come and gone before us. Only the Kingdom of God will stand forever. But I do pray, that if the Lord tarries, He will show mercy on this land for the sake of our children's future.

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TaylorOtwell Jan 26, 2009

There is something that has always struck me as odd about the 2012 controversy. What do people expect the Mayan calendar to be? Infinite? They had to stop the calendar somewhere.

I have a calendar here in my cube that stops on December 2009. My co-workers don't barge in and ask me if I think the world is going to end on 12/31/09.

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Fuegodedios Jan 26, 2009

Exactly Taylor this is a great point. This is why we must hold to the scriptures.

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ccchhhrrriiisss Jan 26, 2009

Interestingly, the last thing that the Lord spoke as He walked with His disciples (before ascending into Heaven) regarded the question about God's timing. Notice Acts 1:6-8...


6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, "[i]Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel[/i]?"

7 And he said unto them, "[color=990000]It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth[/color]."

Jesus took questions about God's exact timing and refocused the disciples on a much more pressing matter -- the Holy Spirit who powers us to fulfill the Great Commission.

:-)

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rreighe Jan 27, 2009

There is something that has always struck me as odd about the 2012 controversy. What do people expect the Mayan calendar to be? Infinite? They had to stop the calendar somewhere

i was just thinking that! haha.... awsome.

oh and my freind pointed this out. the 2000 computer chash y2k mess was at 2000, ok 6 years later the 2006 june 6th. now 6 years later we have 2012 which is 6 years later. i wouldn't put it past me to just see another one "happening" at 2018 or something like it....

glad i know who's side i chose.

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(this is a true story....)
ok someone i know what like "i got this feeling that in the year 2012 there is going to be a nuclear hulicost and all of the satanic people are going to fight against the christian people."

and i was like "dude that isn't true"
he said "how do you know?"
me: "becuase it isn't true unless it is from scripture and from GOD himself."
him: "i know what i said was true and from GOD becuase i had a feeling"

dude needs some serius praying...
morgan is his name.

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ginnyrose Jan 27, 2009

Most of you may not remember but back in 1988 Edgar C. Whisenant, who was a NASA scientist and a Bible scholar, predicted that the rapture would occur in 1988. He wrote and widely distributed a book "88 Reasons why the Rapture will be in 1988". You can google his name and read more about him.

Anyhow, as of this writing Jesus still had not returned. There will never be a dearth of false prophets. I have already seen websites of men who will claim they are Jesus Christ! If it would not be so serious it would be hilarious! I mean: how dumb can people get? Not only is the impostor weird, the followers are equally misguided. If these impostors would have no following, it seems to me the problem would go away. But alas, human nature....

ginnyrose

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fuehrerbe21 Jan 27, 2009

Ginny, I think he wrote 89 reasons why Christ will return in 1989 the following year. Not sure of that; just something I heard.

I think it is foolishness to even try to guess when Christ will return when He himself does not even know, only the Father.

But if we are guessing, I'd like to see it happen 12/31/11 @ 11:59pm - just to spite everyone!

I also wanted to point out that the Mayan's base their guess on astrology. It has something to do with the 13th Zodiac reappearing in the sky. This is nothing but pagan ritual and belief.

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graceamazed Jan 27, 2009

The world is coming to an end in 2012????!!!! :eek:

Why didn't anybody tell me?!

There's still so much I haven't done...

1. Base-jump off a bridge
2. Visit the Great Wall of China
3. Feed sharks off the Great Barrier Reef
4. Climb Mt. Everest
5. ......

I'd love to talk to you guys some more, but we've got less than 3 years to finish living... thanks for the warning! :-P

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rreighe Jan 27, 2009


by graceamazed on 2009/1/27 10:46:34

The world is coming to an end in 2012????!!!!

Why didn't anybody tell me?!

There's still so much I haven't done...

1. Base-jump off a bridge
2. Visit the Great Wall of China
3. Feed sharks off the Great Barrier Reef
4. Climb Mt. Everest
5. ......

I'd love to talk to you guys some more, but we've got less than 3 years to finish living... thanks for the warning!

haha i hope that you are being sarcastic! dude that is funny (only if you were being sarcastic).

notice that there will be false prophets and christ so that fits into that category. oh well... i think. the best we can do realy is just pray and spread the word, the real Word.

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White_Stone Jan 27, 2009

There's still so much I haven't done... 1. Base-jump off a bridge 2. Visit the Great Wall of China 3. Feed sharks off the Great Barrier Reef 4. Climb Mt. Everest 5. ......

[b][color=CC3300]And Jesus answering said unto him(the devil), It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. (Luke 4:12)[/color][/b]

Do you actually believe God called you to do these things? I ask this because I do not believe that is so.

Perhaps you posted off the top of your head and you would really be spending the remainder of your short life for the Lord and not for self. I pray that is the case.

white stone

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graceamazed Jan 28, 2009


White_Stone wrote:
There's still so much I haven't done... 1. Base-jump off a bridge 2. Visit the Great Wall of China 3. Feed sharks off the Great Barrier Reef 4. Climb Mt. Everest 5. ......

[b][color=CC3300]And Jesus answering said unto him(the devil), It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. (Luke 4:12)[/color][/b]

Do you actually believe God called you to do these things? I ask this because I do not believe that is so.

Perhaps you posted off the top of your head and you would really be spending the remainder of your short life for the Lord and not for self. I pray that is the case.

white stone

White_Stone,
Yes, this was only a bit of humor... if I had only hours or days left to live then I would not fill it up by pursuing any of the adventures on this list. However, if opportunity arises in this life, I would love to take part in some of these adventures. I went skydiving a couple of years ago and love it! I highly recommend it. I also enjoy riding motorcycles at times and I often go rock repelling with some of the guys from my church. I love to do many of these things and have found that I can know God and enjoy Him in the midst of these hobbies. By your posts, I gather that you like gardening... I pray that you enjoy gardening and have perhaps experienced the glory of God in different aspects of your hobby, just as I have in some of my hobbies. Are my hobbies any more of a vain, self-centered pursuit than yours? What if I said to you, "I would hope that if you only had a designated amount of time left on the earth then you would not spend it gardening and serving self, but rather serving the Lord. Do you really believe that God has called you to gardening, because I don't believe that it is so?"

Reality is, we do only have a finite amount of time alotted to us on this earth, so why would we do anything but seek to serve God with everyday as though it were our last? I want that to be my aim, but I don't take that to mean that I must be standing on a street corner crying out for people to repent and handing out tracts 24/7. I seek to live for God when I'm spending time with my daughters and/or my wife; I seek to live for God when I'm operating my business and working with clients; I seek to live for God when I'm witnessing to people on the streets or preaching from a pulpit; and I seek to glorify and know God as I'm riding a motorcycle or kyaking down a river.

So, whether you eat or drink (or garden or climb mountains) do all things to the glory of God!

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White_Stone Jan 28, 2009

Dear graceamazed,

Clarification that it was humor would have sufficed.

I pray that you enjoy gardening and have perhaps experienced the glory of God in different aspects of your hobby, just as I have in some of my hobbies.

My hobby as you call it, feeds myself and my husband and we were fortunate to have excess to share with some others who could use it. It is a food garden. God gifts me with lovely flowers on the plants before they bare fruit but I do not plant them for the beauty or the rush of digging. I can admit to a great deal of excitement and anticipation after the seeds are put into the ground. A week later, you will find me, early every morning, walking the rows looking for 'signs of life.' That is a miracle I will never tire of seeing and by His marvelous Grace he allows me to take part in it. The peace I find when I go out to the garden each afternoon and pick our daily meal is also a gift from my Lord Jesus.

Perhaps you could explain to me how jumping out of a plane feeds your family. What will happen to them IF the chute fails? You gave up the luxury of that life style when you accepted the responsibility of family life. Would you really want to risk orphaning your children? Or, perhaps, saddling your wife with a cripple? Have you seriously considered these circumstances and said, 'Nah, never happen to me. I know what I'm doing?' I beg you to talk with God about your interest in 'risky' activities. I pray He will lead you into doing something constructive with your spare time. Just because you are rock climbing with members of your Church does not speak well of the Church, sounds more like a Social Club. Don't they teach responsibility there?

So, whether you eat or drink (or garden or climb mountains) do all things to the glory of God!

Don't you see the contradiction in what you are saying? Open your eyes before it is too late. Jesus IS coming ANY day.

regards,
white stone

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graceamazed Jan 28, 2009

Perhaps you could explain to me how jumping out of a plane feeds your family. What will happen to them IF the chute fails? You gave up the luxury of that life style when you accepted the responsibility of family life. Would you really want to risk orphaning your children? Or, perhaps, saddling your wife with a cripple? Have you seriously considered these circumstances and said, 'Nah, never happen to me. I know what I'm doing?' I beg you to talk with God about your interest in 'risky' activities. I pray He will lead you into doing something constructive with your spare time. Just because you are rock climbing with members of your Church does not speak well of the Church, sounds more like a Social Club. Don't they teach responsibility there?

White_Stone,
It was not my intent to offend you (and I hope I have not) and it is not presently my intent to do so further, so I pray that we can continue fellowshipping on the aspects of the Lord that we agree on. I would like to say a few things in response though.

By your line of reasoning, we as Christians should only participate in activities that directly supply provision for our families or are "ministry" related. That would mean that the follow activities should be discouraged: taking time to paint a picture (unless you are good enough to sell it and provide for your family), planting and maintaining a flower garden (seeing as how this does not provide edible food for the family), going fly-fishing for sport of it and not harming or keeping the fish to eat, playing a musical instrument as a hobby (unless its on a worship team), playing any sport for the sake of recreation, et cetera.

As for rock-climbing with members of my church, I do this because the men at my church are my friends. This isn't some kind of church sponsored out-reach program that we've devised, it's called fellowship and we are all greatly edified by it. Yes, we spend time fellowshipping in prayer and on our faces before God as well, but we also spend time "hanging-out" together and glorying in Him as we do it.

Just because you are rock climbing with members of your Church does not speak well of the Church, sounds more like a Social Club. Don't they teach responsibility there?

Wow, try not to be so critical and judgmental, you really have no idea of the kind of church I attend or the intentions of our hearts. Yes, we do teach responsiblity at our church, but we not in a manner that would tell our members that they shouldn't go hiking in the woods, or floating down a river, or even skydiving.

Perhaps you could explain to me how jumping out of a plane feeds your family. What will happen to them IF the chute fails?

I didn't jump out of a plane intending to feed my family, I work hard at my job to see that they are fed. Statistically it is much more dangerous for me to get in my car and drive through Atlanta or any other big city on a daily basis than it is for me to take part in some of these "risky" hobbies. Yet, am I putting the Lord to the test by driving in potentially dangerous traffic? No, because I'm wearing a seatbelt and have take precautions when driving. If I were to jump out of an airplane WITHOUT a parachute on (which is more along the lines that Satan tempted Jesus), only trusting that God would miraculously save me, then that would be putting God to the test. Is it putting God to the test to drive a Ford Escort instead of a Volvo, after all, the Volvo is much safer.

Sorry if I'm writing a lot, but it does kind of bother me that you so easily have been able to dismiss me and my church as being the types that don't seek God in the way we live our lives and conduct ourselves. Yes, I have sought, and continue to seek, the Lord in every aspect of my life (as best as I can), from the kind of foods I eat to the way I manage my business activities, to the way I spend my money, to the way I spend the 24 hours in each day. And believe it or not, I have not felt convicted or rebuked about some of my hobbies. Should the Lord "open my eyes" to the error of my ways, then I will gladly discontinue these activities. I have no t.v. in my house because the Lord convicted me of the amount of time it consumes and the trash that it can expose my family to. I left a much more profitable job a few years ago because of the demands it put on my time, family and ministry. Currently, my wife and I are working on selling our house and vehicles and preparing to go into the mission field next year because the Lord has led us in that direction. And yes, if He shows me that He is displeased with me for rock-climbing, I will no longer do it.

I hope I've not taken the issue too far, you seem to be a great believer and I don't want to cause strife between us, but I would ask that you try to understand that God can be okay with someone fly-fishing in a river, or climbing a rock (with harnesses, braking systems and ropes) or jumping out of a plane with a parachute (and back up parachute) on or spending hours on an oil painting.

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