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MaryJane Mar 2, 2009

Greetings

I have been thinking and praying about all the things shared here on SI concerning future events and things that are happening. I had a question that I would really appreciate some advice on. I have been working at becoming debt free, and have been managing my budget pretty tightly but of late I feel a sense or urging that I need to perhaps spend more on food and other necessity items that I might store for possible future events. I am not sure if this is from Father or if it is just a fearful reaction of the flesh because of all the things that I have been reading. I don't want to walk in fear,I know that God is in control and will provide, but I know that there is wisdom in being a prepared as He gives provision also.

Praying to know if I should continue to pay down my debt, to get it paid in full in the fastest time, or if I should work toward paying off my debt while putting some extra aside for times of struggle that may lay ahead??? Does anyone have any thoughts or anything that Father is showing you that you might feel led to share??

Thanks for any thoughts
God Bless
MJ

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White_Stone Mar 2, 2009

Dear Sister MaryJane,

What my husband and I feel is to do both. I have been reading that the farmers have not been able to get the loans they normally take out at the beginning of the season and payin gthem off with the harvest. If they do not get the loans, they can not plant. If they do not plant . . . . Pray for those who do not have a pantry full.

We do not have the means to buy bulk, but we have 1 acre to plant a large garden and this is what we are working towards. Already have the seeds, trying to get as many trees down before time to plant. Too many roots in the ground in the back, so we are going to lay out a tire garden. Normal one in the front yard. Do you have any space to plant anything?

I am buying lots of brown rice & dry beans. Cooking oil and matches and all the other things that may vanish off the shelves in the coming months. Preparing to hunker down and do what work the Lord puts in front of us.

Hope this gives you something to think over.

Kindest regards to you and your family,
white stone

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tinluke Mar 2, 2009

My family and I have been stockpiling for a few years now. My husband, son and I all felt impressed upon by the Lord to do so. The last time I was roatating our supply and adding to the shelves, I felt the Holy Spirit reminding me that this food was not only for our family, but to be used as a way to reach people who are suffering in the days ahead. I know when the time comes, it is going to be a real sacrafice to do so, but I'm trusting that the Lord will give me the Grace at the time it is needed most.

We've basically been storing food that last a long time, and that we like. Also, trying to pick foods that are nutrious as possible. Here is an example of some things we have choosen.

baked beans
brown bread
olive oil
dry fruit
canned fruit (without heavy syrup)
canned veggies (mostly canned tomatoes)
pasta
pasta sauce
nuts
condensed milk
tuna fish
beef jerky
granola bars
water
juice


Hope this helps

Tina

sermonindex Mar 2, 2009


tinluke wrote:
My family and I have been stockpiling for a few years now.

Probably best to keep that on the quiet side. There is a site I visit where people are stockpiling guns and ammo to come take your supplies. They are not what you would consider friendly people, but they need to hear the gospel too....


Old Joe

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MaryJane Mar 2, 2009

Greetings white stone

I live in the desert so farming is not really an option. My backyard is a huge rock sage brush filled mountain and the front is hard rock and clay that we zero scape long time ago when we were in a drought. We have in years passed had a small garden bed to grow tomato's though but that is all. I can buy in bulk though, I have a large freezer and some pace to store canned goods, dry foods, things like that.

Tina- those are really good suggestions. Thank your very much for sharing.

I can if I stop making double and triple payments on some of my debt, I can buy more food and such to have on hand but not sure as I said if this is Fathers heart for us or if I am acting in the flesh. I will be praying about this, it is good to know what Father is showing others about this though. Thank you very much for sharing

God Bless
MJ

sermonindex Mar 2, 2009

I would encourage everyone to be wise to the evil day that lies ahead, but be sure it is the Lord telling you how much to keep and not your flesh...

There are brethren that are already suffering around the world... Matthew 25

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Lysa Mar 3, 2009

/////Old Joe wrote:
Probably best to keep that on the quiet side. There is a site I visit where people are stockpiling guns and ammo to come take your supplies. They are not what you would consider friendly people, but they need to hear the gospel too..../////

MaryJane,

I would listen to Old Joe even though he wasn't talking to you per se. It doesn't matter if we stockpile, even to help others, jealousy will come and take it away and maybe kill you in the process. There will be nothing you can do; if you cook, they will smell it. If your trash piles up, they will see it. If you don't lose weight like everyone else is doing, they will notice. There is nothing to fear. This is what I was talking about in that other thread... it's getting exciting!

Sister, this next phase will be by faith and not by sight or touch but pure faith! Just thihnk, the whole Bible is our example... every single thing that He did for others for the last 6,000 years, He will do for you and me!!

I would spend like there was no tomorrow; spend time on my knees, spend time in the Word, send time laying up my treasure where moth doesn't corrupt!! Spend time learning the voice of the Holy Spirit a LOT better than I know it now because one day they may come and take away our Bibles too!

That shouldn't scare us either, we've only had the printed word for 600 years while they walked with the Holy Spirit for 1400 years before that!! And I can tell you that they did a whole lot more without the printed word than we've done with it. All we've done is get theologically proud and fought over individual verses and what they mean and created individual camps of disbelief. God have mercy.

That's what I'm talking about... it's getting exciting! I don't know how excited I will be in a couple of years :-P but I think it is so now!!

God bless you MaryJane!! Let's look up, our redemption draweth nigh!!

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psalm1 Mar 3, 2009

5When Jesus then lifted up his eyes, and saw a great company come unto him, he saith unto Philip, Whence shall we buy bread, that these may eat?

6And this he said to prove him: for he himself knew what he would do.

7Philip answered him, Two hundred pennyworth of bread is not sufficient for them, that every one of them may take a little.

8One of his disciples, Andrew, Simon Peter's brother, saith unto him,

9There is a lad here, which hath five barley loaves, and two small fishes: but what are they among so many?

10And Jesus said, Make the men sit down. Now there was much grass in the place. So the men sat down, in number about five thousand.

11And Jesus took the loaves; and when he had given thanks, he distributed to the disciples, and the disciples to them that were set down; and likewise of the fishes as much as they would.

12When they were filled, he said unto his disciples, Gather up the fragments that remain, that nothing be lost.

13Therefore they gathered them together, and filled twelve baskets with the fragments of the five barley loaves, which remained over and above unto them that had eaten.


Note Jesus says;
"10And Jesus said, Make the men sit down."

Remember God aint broke

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White_Stone Mar 3, 2009

Dear Lysa,

We DO live in interesting times. Your post was very enlightening about the printed word. Thank you for pointing that out. I feel you are right. For all the benefits we have been given, we have been unprofitable servants compared to the early Christians.

Trying to do as you suggested and immerse myself in His word. Grateful for the opportunity to do so.

Kindest regards,
white stone

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Vakugal Mar 3, 2009

Jesus did say not to worry about what we will eat and what we will wear?
So definitely whether we pile or not, we need to be free from the worry, knowing that God is our Father and He will provide. Yes we need to be wise, we should not be like the rich farmer who built up barns and had his assurance on that.

Jesus did say, to owe no man anything but love. So it definitely make sense to priortize on clearing ones debt. But at the same time have suffucinet "working capital" funds for day to day needs and the possible contigencies. And yet we trust only in HIM and not our bank balance.

I will tell you this, that there is nothing like being free from debt. God will have complete freedom to use you and what He has given you without any hinderance.

Think about this, what if hard times fall and the money is drained and we still have debt? What use of the stored cans if they will take it all from us. But what if we run out of money but we owe no man anything. This is just a practical thought, but cant we still find even the meanest of labour to feed ourselves.
But let us not forget that Our Father fed the multidude in the desert, He send a raven to feed His prophet, He multiplied the loaves and fish. He feeds the birds and clothes the lillies, but it is for us that He gave His only Son.

In a time where there is "social secutrity" benefits, inusrance policy, piled up reserves, bank balances,etc we need God's grace and His intervention so that we will truly be able to depend only on HIM, despite the fact that God might have given us some of the above mentioned
'reserves'.
Let us admit our lack and ask God for wisdom so that we will priortize the way He wants to priortize and not by human reason but on the strong fact the God who created the heavens and the earth, He who loves us so as to die for us, The almighty is the one whom we call our Father and The one who is our Saviour. He will provide and we shall not want.

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MaryJane Mar 3, 2009

Greetings

I wanted to say thanks to everyone who shared what Father had for them here with me. It has given me much to think and pray about. The most important thing for me is to walk out what Fathers heart in all of this is. I know that He will always be there and care for me. I also know that even if I loose everything in this life and find myself with nothing left but Jesus then I will still have everything that I could possibly need, He truly is my all and all!

God Bless you brothers and sisters
MJ

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psalm1 Mar 6, 2009

Found this in SI archives;

TOMMY HICKS' END-TIMES VISION.
exerpt;

...And this is the miracle of it - this is the glorious miracle of
it - those people would stretch forth their hands exactly as the
Lord did, and it seemed as if there was this same liquid fire in
their hands. As they stretched forth their hands they said, "Ac-
cording to my word, be thou made whole."

As these people continued in this mighty end-time ministry, I
did not fully realize what it was, and I looked to the Lord and
said, "What is the meaning of this?" And he said, "This is that
which I will do in the last days. I will restore all that the
cankerworm, the palmerworm, the caterpiller - I will restore all
that they have destroyed. This, my people, in the end times will
go forth. As a mighty army shall they sweep over the face of the
earth."

As I was at this great height, I could behold the whole world. I
watched these people as they were going to and fro over the face
of the earth. Suddenly there was a man in Africa and in a moment
he was transported by the Spirit of God, and perhaps he was in
Russia, or China or America or some other place, and vice versa.
All over the world these people went, and they came through fire,
and through pestilence, and through famine. Neither fire nor per-
secution, nothing seemed to stop them.

sermonindex Mar 6, 2009

There is certainly a lot about our future here that we should be concerned about. We need to be smart. We need to prepare.

But at the same time, I remember all the hype over Y2K... heard sermons about it... churches and Christians freaking out about it.

My alarm clock buzzed the next morning like it always does... and nothing happened, and many Christians looked like kooks.

Then there was this atom smasher a couple months ago. People even on this website saying "we're all gonna die tomorrow"... even tho if you know scripture you knew that was impossible.

Again... my alarm clock buzzed the next morning like it always does... and nothing happened, and many Christians looked like kooks.

The wise man will do as Joseph did in Egypt, and be prepared. But those without faith will freak out and worry.

What's the worst thing that can happen? We die? Big deal.

Krispy

sermonindex Mar 6, 2009

While everyone is freaking out, there are voices of reason out there. Yes, things are bad... but we need to look at history.

Here are some FACTS about todays economic meltdown cmompared to other historical meltdowns.

The following is excerpted from Bradley Schiller, [b]“Obama’s Rhetoric”[/b], The Wall Street Journal, Feb. 13, 2009:

“President Barack Obama has turned fearmongering into an art form. ... As he tells it, today’s economy is the worst since the Great Depression. Without his Recovery and Reinvestment Act, he says, the economy will fall back into that abyss and may never recover. This fearmongering may be good politics, but it is bad history and bad economics. It is bad history because our current economic woes don’t come close to those of the 1930s. At worst, a comparison to the 1981-82 recession might be appropriate. Consider the job losses that Mr. Obama always cites. In the last year, the U.S. economy shed 3.4 million jobs. That’s a grim statistic for sure, but represents just 2.2% of the labor force. ... 1981-82 job losses totaled 2.2% of the labor force, the same as now. ... In 1930, the economy shed 4.8% of the labor force. In 1931, 6.5%. And then in 1932, another 7.1%. ... The latest survey pegs U.S. unemployment at 7.6%. That’s more than three percentage points below the 1982 peak (10.8%) and not even a third of the peak in 1932 (25.2%). ... Real gross domestic product (GDP) rose in 2008, despite a bad fourth quarter. The Congressional Budget Office projects a GDP decline of 2% in 2009. ... It is nothing like 1930, when GDP fell by 9%, or 1931, when GDP contracted by another 8%, or 1932, when it fell yet another 13%. Auto production last year declined by roughly 25%. That looks good compared to 1932, when production shriveled by 90%. The failure of a couple of dozen banks in 2008 just doesn’t compare to over 10,000 bank failures in 1933, or even the 3,000-plus bank (Savings & Loan) failures in 1987-88. Stockholders can take some solace from the fact that the recent stock market debacle doesn’t come close to the 90% devaluation of the early 1930s. ... A more cool-headed assessment of the economy's woes might produce better policies.”

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MaryJane Mar 6, 2009

Greetings krispy
Thanks for posting these very good reminders. I don't want to react in fear but rather walk in Him and what He may have me. I have been praying about this with my husband and for now he feels we should continue to walk out what Father has shown us about getting out of debt. we are planning also to buy a few extria canned goods and keep the freezer full as we have but we are not going to go overboard.
our faith is in Him and no matter what comes I need to stand firm on the rock of Christ Jesus! I want to walk out daily in Him and what He has for me. Jesus is everything and I never want loose sight of that!

God bless
Mj


God bless
Mj

sermonindex Mar 6, 2009

I have been praying about this with my husband and for now he feels we should continue to walk out what Father has shown us about getting out of debt. we are planning also to buy a few extria canned goods and keep the freezer full as we have but we are not going to go overboard.

Exactly! And thats what we should do in good times and bad times. It's just common sense!

Debt will choke you to death. Obviously someone forgot to mention that to Obama.

Krispy

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NoWhining Mar 7, 2009

MJ, the Lord's never told me anything to tell anyone else, but it was always to straighten me out. So my comments are for me and me alone.

If I stockpile food and supplies, and place my faith in those goods, I am lost. If I buy gold and silver to protect me against hyperinflation and place my faith in those things, again, I'm lost. Any god or idol I put faith in will fail. My faith must first be in my Lord. But, IMO, that doesn't mean I can't prepare for bad times.

Reducing debt is always a good move. And having food stored is also a good thing to do. My folks grew up during the depression, and from their experiences, we always had a garden, canned our food, raised our own chickens, beef and pork, all on 1-1/2 acres in Houston. It wasn't disbelief in God to do so, it was considered common sense.

I believe we're going to experience hard times like we've never seen before. My wife and I are stocking up. We're reducing our debt. Rather than put all of our savings in a bank account, which could be ravaged by a devalued dollar, we buy items we feel might be needed in the future, including a small amount of precious metals.

Our small church has several elderly couples and widows that would be the hardest hit. I felt led to start stockpiling for them as well. I started to mention it to the pastor, but the Lord didn't tell me to, so I didn't. No need to have my pastor think I'm a nut!

My God created in me a strong desire to provide for and protect my family. I thank Him for it. And I thank Him for giving me time to build my ark for when the storm comes. I don't dishonor Him by preparing, because I first believe in Him and His tender mercies.

Just my thoughts, not the Lord's. God's blessings to you both.

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MaryJane Mar 7, 2009

Greetings brothers and sisters

I wanted to tell everyone that I am thankful for your willingness to share with me about this. Its good to hear what Father has shown everyone and how each of you is walking it out daily. This I will admit has been very difficult time for me. To be completely truthful I really struggle with the sin of worry, and fear. I read the news, and the things that are being shared about future end times and I have to really be in prayer and seeking Him, because in my flesh I want to give into the fear and go out and charge up my credit cards to buy as much food and necessities as possible. This fear and worry is something that I have struggled with for most of my life. When I was a child, my dad didn't work. There were seven children in my family and for the most part we lived on welfare. It was difficult because there were actually times when there was no food in the house. I can remember spending the time waiting for the sisters(nuns) to stop by and bring us boxes of food from the food banks. As a small child it was frightening there was no sense of security at all. Even after I was saved I really struggled for a long time with not trusting in the Lord to provide. I use to go to the store several times a week just to make sure I had enough and sometimes even more then enough of everything on hand just in case. My cupboards would be so filled with food that I actually would run out of places to put it. My husband counted and at one time I actually had over a hundred cans of soup in the house. I was actually terrified of the thought of an empty cupboard, I couldn't bare it. I know that sounds crazy to some and yet the fear about not having enough for my family and those around me at times has been so strong that it actually consumed all my thoughts. A little over a year ago, through much prayer Jesus really helped me to see that this area of my life was sin and that by doubting Him I was really saying "Jesus your just not big enough to care for me so I have to do it myself." I had to repent of my heart and attitude of doubting, and lack of faith that Jesus would care for me just as He said He would. Father opened my eyes to see and understand that I really needed to change the way I saw things. I needed to understand that even if I lost everything in this life, even my physical life that it did not matter because I would still be His child. He was and is faithful to see me safely home with Him. I have spent many hours in prayer before Him, crying out, repenting, and seeking His heart in all of this. As I look to the rapidly changing times around me, I want to use His wisdom in the choices that I make and not fall back into old sinful self attitudes and heart of walking in fear and doubt. I realize that Father gives us understanding of the times and prepares us according to His good purpose to be about His kingdom business. I pray that each of us hears His voice and is faithful to walk out what He has for us in these times.

God Bless
Maryjane

sermonindex Mar 7, 2009

For anyone to pin this on President Obama is just wrong, and betrays their political leanings. Forget pinning this mess on one political party, or one man, the seeds of this impending fiscal disaster lay at all of our doorsteps.

You all want to be "one nation"?

Then we should all 'own' this, it's us.

I have no idea what 'think tank' Bradley Schiller crawled out of, but I read the same statistic's he should be privy to, and this is bad. Worse than you can even imagine.

First, the difference between the depression of the 30's and now, is that one, we are a 'consumption' driven economy with a negative savings rate, and much of the currency that oils this GLOBAL economy is 'electronic', meaning that in the time it takes me to type this sentence I can transfer one billion dollars from the Northern Trust Bank in Chicago to UBS in Switzerland, and then to a branch of ING in Toyko, which means that "bank runs" aren't the familiar pictures of poor sods lined outside a 30's bank, bank runs can happen in the blink of an eye, in an trading room, all across the world.

secondly, the other difference between the 30's and now, is that our wired world, meaning the global economy, is just that, global, interconected and dependent. Therefore, when multinational companies decided that US labor was too expensive, we lost our manufacturing base...to whom? The PEOPLE's Republic of China, a communist nation. Take a stroll down any walmarts lane, pick up an item, and see where it was manufactured? the PRC.

We do have three bases of production left, meaning we maintain a trade surplus with the rest of the world, agriculture, which is good, but pity the poor farmer who is only able to sell the raw material, ie. yellow number two corn, or hard red winter wheat, because he cant ADD VALUE to this product, and as time has shown, if you cant add value to an ag product, you get the lowest price, he cant take this wheat, grind it into flour, and bake billions of loaves of bread, no. That farmer can only TAKE what ADM or Cargill, or Conti, or whatever multinational grain trader is going to give him at the country elevator. We also maintain a trade surplus in entertainment content, and I'm not even going to go into that, because thats what the world SEES of America, and its not a pretty picture, considering the sewage that flows from those pipelines, and third, we are the largest arms dealers to the world. We build the best weapons systems, and every nation wants them, because they're the best, and isnt that swell? and as you know, weapons systems only have one purpose, KILL PEOPLE....or, should I say, "kill the enemy", and we sing, "God's grace shine on thee"?..

I could refute every single one of Schiller's stat's, but I dont want to bore you. let me just give you two things to think about, the "toxic assets" (CDO's, CDW's) that overhang the economy and have yet to be dealt with, total about 64 TRILLION dollars. Nobodies dealt with them, because nobody knows what they're worth, and if a trader cant valuate an asset, he wont be biding on it. Those CDO's are everybodys bundled up mortgages and credit card obligations....that's our mess, and nobody can assign value. 64 trillion dollars, and the second thing to think about is money supply, which we have ramped up between 200 and 300% every month, we're trying to print our way out of this mess, and it wont work, its going to kill the dollar, simple as that. No, this isnt 81-82, nor is it the 30's depression, this is something altogether new, strange and different, we're in uncharted waters.

go look at Pastor Wilkerson's "thus saith", is that fear mongering?

in Jesus' love, neil

sermonindex Mar 7, 2009

God bless you for sharing all your heart, you're not alone,

My cupboards would be so filled with food that I actually would run out of places to put it. My husband counted and at one time I actually had over a hundred cans of soup in the house. I was actually terrified of the thought of an empty cupboard, I couldn't bare it. I know that sounds crazy to some and yet the fear about not having enough for my family and those around me

Even though i'm not in the roman church, God bless those dear nuns who would love a little girl enough to bring her family food, and maybe the way to think of those hundreds of cans, is that they taught you the lesson of charity. That those cans belong to the Lord, so that when you see a hungry wee girl, you are now able to bless her and fill her little stomach.

All hard times are is God's way of teaching us and steeling us to the realities of His Mercy.

Thank you for sharing your testimony, neil

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