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rreighe Mar 24, 2009

i don't know if i already posted something like a few months ago but here it is anyways.. i'm sure i didn't but yeah...


i've been wanting to write a letter to the poeple that get left behind (no pun intended) after the rapture. explaining that antichrist is about to come up to a powerfull position and to talk about all of thies rumours ect. what will happen. point them to verses... i dont know what i should put on it though.

any ideas? i want to get this done soon so i can post it on here so that yall can possibly print it out and put it in your wallets or cars and homes or something. because when we are gone there is a good chance that our homes will get raided and our cars stolen ect. i want evidence of God and keys of salvation everywhere around me if i can help it.. like in my backpack, car, room, song book, computer, ipod ect.

the best one i found so far was this one;

go to http://raptureready.com/ and then scroll down where it says [i]Information For Those Left Behind
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they have letters for left behind and stuff...

sermonindex Mar 24, 2009

I really recommend you read this book:
http://www.cfcindia.com/web/mainpages/book_window.php?book=the_final_triumph

The words of Jesus are clear: “In the world YOU HAVE TRIBULATION. But take courage; I have overcome the world” (Jn.16:33). He never promised that we would escape tribulation - whether small tribulations or the great one. But He did say that we could overcome even as He overcame. He is far more interested in making us overcomers than in saving us out of tribulation, because He is far more interested in our character than in our comfort.
Neither did Jesus ever say that escaping the great tribulation was a reward for faithfulness, as some teach. On the contrary, He said that those who forsook everything to follow Him would have even more tribulations than others who didn’t follow Him (Mk.10:30).
When He prayed to His Father for His disciples, He said, “I do not ask Thee to take them out of the world, but to keep them from the evil.” (Jn.17:15). He did NOT want His disciples to be raptured out of the world at that time, just because they were going to face tribulation.
In the 3rd-century when Christians were being thrown to the lions in the Roman amphitheatres and being burnt at the stake in different parts of the Roman empire, the Lord did not rescue them from such tribulations. The God Who shut the lions’ mouths and took away the power of the fiery furnace in Daniel’s day, did NOT. do such miracles for these disciples of Jesus - for these were new-covenant Christians who were going to glorify God through death. Like Jesus their Master, they neither asked for, nor expected twelve legions of angels to come and protect them from their enemies.

Such a message is strange teaching indeed to a comfort-loving Christendom that has been coddled in their pews every Sunday for years by ear-tickling preachers. But this is the message that the apostles preached to the early churches. “They (the apostles Paul and Barnabas) strengthened the souls of the disciples, encouraging them to continue in the faith, saying, `Through many tribulations we must enter the kingdom of God’” (Acts 14:22).
-Zac Poonen

I also recommend this website: http://www.olivetdiscourse.com/ which has a long list of believers who did not hold to any sort of pre-tribulational rapture: http://olivetdiscourse.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=section&id=6&Itemid=43

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rreighe Mar 24, 2009

i thank you for that message. and i will look at the links...

i was meaning more of a note explain the people left after the rapture what is going on and then some verses to help them learn about salvation. i know that that wont get them to escape tribulations, i just want them to have a way to know how to get to jesus.

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psalm1 Mar 24, 2009

Tell them not to take the mark.
They will most likely be beheaded for not taking the mark or worshipping the image of the beast

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psalm1 Mar 24, 2009

these examples are that of believers that believed in Jesus Imminent return throughout history

"All the saints and elect of God are gathered together before the tribulation, which is to come, and are taken to the Lord, in order that they may not see at any time the confusion which overwhelms the world because of our sins" (Pseudo-Ephraem (374-627 AD).
The First Epistle of Clement, 23 (written around 96 A.D. by Clement, a prominent leader of the church at Rome who knew some of the apostles personally and probably is the Clement referred to in Phil. 4:3): "Of a truth, soon and suddenly shall His will be accomplished, as the Scripture also bears witness, saying, 'speedily will He come, and will not tarry.'"

As early as 70 - 180 AD, The Didache, chapter 16, section 1, says, "'Be vigilant over your life; let your lamps not be extinguished, or your loins ungirded, but be prepared, for you know not the hour in which our Lord will come."

"But what a spectacle is that fast-approaching advent of our Lord, now owned by all, now highly exalted, now a triumphant One!" (Tertullian 155 - 245 AD).

John Calvin, the reformer at Geneva during the 1500s and founder of the Presbyterian Church, made the following statements in some of his commentaries on books of the Bible: "Be prepared to expect Him every day, or rather every moment." "As He has promised that He will return to us, we ought to hold ourselves prepared, at every moment to receive Him.” "Today we must be alert to grasp the imminent return of Christ." Commenting on 1 Thessalonians 4, the "Rapture passage,” Calvin said that Paul "means by this to arouse the Thessalonians to wait for it, nay more, to hold all believers in suspense, that they may not promise themselves some particular time . . . that believers might be prepared at all times."

The Westminster Confession, written by the Puritans of England during the 1600s, declared that men should "shake off all carnal security and be always watchful, because they know not at what hour the Lord will come."

"I say, somewhat more because the dead saints will be raised, and the living changed at Christ's 'appearing in the air' (1 Thess 4:17); and this will be about three years and a half before the millennium, as we shall see hereafter: but will he and they abide in the air all that time? No: they will ascend to paradise, or to some one of those many 'mansions in the father's house' (John 14:2), and so disappear during the foresaid period of time." (Morgan Edwards 1742-44).

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ginnyrose Mar 24, 2009

I did not read all the replies...

But my first reaction is that this would be an exercise in futility. The better option would be to share the WORD now. What ever is in the future, God will take care of it better then you or me or anyone else. Liberating concept, don't you think?

Blessings,
ginnyrose

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sojourner7 Mar 24, 2009

I agree, Ginny Rose!! If they are to hear the
truth of the gospel and come to the cross for
mercy and salvation; now is the time!!

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adamdawkins Mar 24, 2009

i was meaning more of a note explain the people left after the rapture what is going on

I think the point of Greg's link and quote was to challenge the notion of the 'left behind' theory itself.

Either way, I don't think any sort of apocalyptic circumstance will make men turn to Christ then any more than you can convince them to change now. In David Wilkerson's sermon "Hell, what is it like?" he tells the story of a man who gets severely burned on an oil rig and when he was about to die he didn't call out to God as many would expect, he asked "Do I still have a nose..."

This may seem irrelevant but I think it highlights man's total negligence towards God and eternity. Excluding times when God moves in mercy in a man's dying moment, it seems to me that if you live in sin and rebellion against God, you will die in it too. The things men trust in now will still be the things they try to trust in then.

As a result I agree with Ginnyrose, [b]Today[/b] is the day of salvation.

Don't be disheartened though, you have the right mindset. It was exactly because 'the end' was on the early Apostles minds that they preached the gospel so fervently. The same could be said of men of God through the ages; Wesley, Finney, Spurgeon, Edwards etc.

We should pray as Jonathan Edwards did: "Lord stamp eternity on my eyes".

Adam

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adamdawkins Mar 24, 2009

@sermonindex: Sorry, can I also say thanks for posting that quote and material, it's nice to read about the "strange teaching" that is in accordance with the Truth!

sermonindex Mar 24, 2009

Tis truly the time to take down this abominable heresy of any pre-trib rapture.

GOD's WORD is Clear.


We will meet HIM in The Clouds when HE COMES - that is ALL that The WORD of GOD says - from the O.T. to the very end of The Revelation.


For those who may enjoy this CD -

http://mp3.rhapsody.com/michael-card/unveiled-hope--2006

An enjoyable tip is to put your media player's 'animation' on "battery:cominatcha". :)

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Lysa Mar 24, 2009

I couldn't resist responding!

psalm1 wrote:
Tell them not to take the mark.
They will most likely be beheaded for not taking the mark or worshiping the image of the beast

Going according to pre-trib... Christ returns and all Christians are gone, so it would seem that what faith there was on the earth is gone.

If they didn't have enough faith to walk the walk while there was faith [b]ON[/b] the earth (before Christ returns); where in the world will these people get the faith that it's going to take to [b]NOT[/b] to take the mark? ...when their babies are starving and they are starving? ...when they are being gutted? When "whatever" happens?

If you say there will be faith then, where will it come from? Won't the Holy Spirit be gone? Jesus will be gone. Where will one find this faith?

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kathleen1 Mar 24, 2009

I have a question. When you were in sin what convinced you that you needed a Savior? The Word is a dead letter without the anointing of the Holy Spirit. He convinces, convicts and exposes sin and error for He is the Spirit of Truth. God's children are not appointed to the wrath that will be poured out without mixture (no mercy mixed in). When He and everyone whom He lives in are taken from this earth, how will anyone know truth from error when the Spirit of Truth is gone? Selfishness is the mark (nature, likeness) of the beast and mankind is eat up with it. The only way to overcome it is the cross, and the Holy Spirit. Being filled. Being led. Any letters or videos to those left behind will be a wasted effort. They will laugh at it for they will receive a strong delusion and believe a lie because they chose self over the Way, the Truth, and the Life and were left behind. (Read 2 Th 2-who exalts himself in the Temple of God (we are the temple now) as God, over all that is God)? Why, that carnal nature in every one that will war against the spirit of God in us. It's a war we must win-and the side you feed the most will be the one who wins. Spirit or Carnal? Read Romans 8. For those who walk after the desires of their flesh will die. Flesh (Self) and God never desire the same thing.

No one will bother reading any letter left for them. Things will be so chaotic and dark there will be no truth left to restrain the darkness. The time to share the Gospel, and pray for the lost and minister CHRIST not men's opinions, is NOW. You cannot represent Him if you don't spend time alone with Him. HE is what people need to see. When we have tarried in His Presence and received the power from on High to overcome what we are apart from Him, and are sold out to Him, then others will take knowledge we have been with Him and ask what must they do to be saved. People have a hard time giving up their time and agenda to the Holy Spirit and get in the presence of God so they can be changed. He wants to take us to the cross. Many are called but few are chosen because few will go where He wants to lead them. There is no option now debating pre or post trib. Settle it in your heart-HE is coming and we must be ready in the blink of an eye to leave here. If there is a question in your heart- do what He said.

"And behold I send forth the promise of My Father upon you; but tarry in Jerusalem until you be endued with power from on high." Luke 24:49.

"But you will receive power when the Holy Ghost has come upon you; and you shall be My witnesses both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and Samaria and even to the uttermost parts of the world." Acts 1:8

If you have not tarried in His Presence, and not received the power He promised then any thing you do to try to represent Him is done in the flesh and won't work or be accepted because those who do this are walking in disobedience. They have not tarried. They have not give up self that they might have HIS life instead.

If you are not walking close enough to Him now to hear His Voice (My Sheep know MY Voice) then you will not hear Him when He comes for His own.

One last question-have you spent as much time in the Word and prayer lately as you have on here debating and talking and writing posts? If not, you better stop and think-are you giving God first or last of your time?

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sonofthunder Mar 25, 2009

Whatever happened to this passage also???
Unto them that look for him ...will he appear the SECOND TIME, WITHOUT SIN ...UNTO SALVATION

NOTICE HEBREWS SAYS EMPHATICALLY " THE SECOND TIME" HERE'S ONE FOR THE PURIST'S AND ALL THE SPIRITUAL PUNDITS OUT THERE IN YONDER CHRISTENDOM. If you beleive in pre-tribulation ... then effectively you have Christ coming BACK NOT TWICE - BUT THREE TIMES!!! ONCE BEFORE - AND ONCE IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS ( MATT 24 ) Immediately after the tribulation of those days Shall the sign of the (appearing) of the son of man be!!

Of course the way people get around those passages - is by dividing up the rapture from the DAY OF THE LORD AS BEING 2 SEPERATE EVENTS. But no matter which way you slice the cake (or) mustard - you still effectively have him coming back twice (for two lots of saved saints)??? Once before trib and once after! Yet my bible reads this way.... the catching-up of the saints co-incides with the resurrection of the saints ...And at the last trump (1 corinth 15) anyway's continue to talk amongst yourselves in this ever so calm and refreshingly nice and civil peaceful way!! Good to see respectful talk and the honouring of each other's views amongst the brethren!! Amen and Amen

Personally i don't believe in pre-trib rapture at all...

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kathleen1 Mar 25, 2009


Quote: anyway's continue to talk amongst yourselves in this ever so calm and refreshingly nice and civil peaceful way!! Good to see respectful talk and the honouring of each other's views amongst the brethren!! quote:


Read Luke 9:54-55, Son of Thunder. Scripture is not to be debated-it's to be studied so we can see if it approves the life we are living. Regardless of your views on the rapture, you must be ready to go when He comes.

To debate the Word of God rather than pray over it seeking understanding, is carnal and not profitable. It only leads to strife and contention-works of the flesh. Neither does He need us to defend His Word-but believe and live it in obedience. End of story.

I spoke the truth in love, but apparently it struck a nerve with you, because your viewpoint on the rapture is different. Do you trust your heart (Jer 17:9) enough that you don't feel the need to (Just to be sure) pray and seek God for understanding and examine your own heart to be sure? I don't trust mine. I want to know if I'm wrong-and not too proud to go to God seeking answers, not man. And by the way, that Scripture you quoted says He will appear unto them (revealing Himself to them), not COME FOR.

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