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The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood

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Earendel Mar 31, 2009

The sun shall be turned into darkness,
And the moon into blood,
Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the LORD.
Acts 2:20

...a study into Jewish holy days:

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[i]The Jewish Talmud (book of tradition/interpretation) says, "When the moon is in eclipse, it is a bad omen for Israel. If its face is as red as blood, [it is a sign that] the sword is coming to the world."
Rabbi Meir said, "Whenever the luminaries are in eclipse, it is a bad omen for Israel since they are inured to blows. This may be compared to a school teacher who comes to school with a strap in his hand. Who becomes apprehensive? He who is accustomed to be daily punished."

Anciently, a blood red moon symbolized violence, war, and evil factions rising up against the nation of Israel.
A red moon has historically and 'scripturally' meant a period of judgment for the wicked.
Total-eclipse “blood-red” moons have been rare in history but many battles and wars coincided with an eclipse.[/i]


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Mark Biltz, a Messianic Jewish Rabbi/Pastor, (not kabbalistic, as he believes Jesus is the Messiah) has this to say about the Jewish calender of feast days and blood moons:
http://66.155.114.80/video/Dsl/5904-D.wmv

sermonindex Apr 1, 2009

[b]Rev 6:12-17 "And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair and the moon became as blood and the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs when she is shaken of a mighty wind and the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; and said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"[/b]

This "earthquake" many believe is what affects the sun and moon by the cloud that erupts from all of the above and not "eclipses" - as you can see from these verses, this is a Very Major Event.

Brother, I haven't seen JR Church in many years, but he's changed and has moved in directions I didn't know he had. Very disappointing.

There is much going on, even about this month and this particular Passover, etc as well. Being sort of 'Messianic' can put more cautions before us that we'll need to be careful of now and in the future. All articles or programs should be checked for Biblical accuracy and key Hebrew words put through a Search engine to see 'where' they originate.

"[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbi_Meir]The Talmud[/url] and the Kabbalah" are Not Biblical and this world is following both as never before, besides anything resembling any type of "prophetic" - whether New Age prophetic, or 'Christian' or Jewish - Anything to hear "a Good word" as they see this planet go to pieces right before their eyes.

These "Jewish" books were written by men who learned how to spiritualize the Torah and the oral law and whatever other 'knowledge' they gained while they were captive in Babylon - astronomy, astrology, etc.

They are trying to fulfill certain "special dates" and certain powers-that-be can use these Kabbalistic/Talmudic writings, when it will aid their own plans to deceive the Jews and Christians with counterfeit fulfillments of End-Time prophecies.

The Hebrew Roots Movement [HRM] in general, bring people back to the O.T. law and many times incorporates the Talmud into their teachings.

Those are Red Flags to watch for.

Some believe that "they will bring Messiah's coming".

The more secularized portion who follow these extra-Biblical books are looking for a Messiah-person that brings "Peace on earth". [even Madonna follows Kabbalah]

They are looking for an "Elijah" that says what the majority want to hear. [the false prophet]

They are looking for a human-being to fix Jerusalem's and the world's problems [and Soon] and not for Revelation 19:11 through Revelation 22:21

I don't believe in date setting and do believe that some folks are trying too hard to pin down when He's returning. For all that we know, antiChrist could pop-up this month, and 3 1/2 years would be 9 or 10/2012.
I don't mean to judge their motives, but His Word takes these things very seriously, as we see written towards the end of the Revelation.


Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

We need to get a grip on "the patience of the Saints" because though we obviously are in 'those days' - we ain't seen nothin' yet so, we really do need to "get a grip". Mat 24:48 2 Pet 3:3,4

Shalom in His Love, Amen.

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Earendel Apr 1, 2009


Jesus-is-GOD wrote:


We need to get a grip on "the patience of the Saints" because though we obviously are in 'those days' - we ain't seen nothin' yet so, we really do need to "get a grip". Mat 24:48 2 Pet 3:3,4

Shalom in His Love, Amen.

Agreed!


Jewish holy feast days are not exactly extra-biblical, but I understand and know that is not what you are saying.

There is actually much to be learned about the study of Jewish Holy days, (for the purpose of study and understanding) such as Passover, Pentecost, Feast of Trumpets, Feast of Tabernacles etc.

The Christian faith has its roots in Judaism, and should not be ignored. The Holy Spirit fell on Pentecost (a Jewish feast day), which began the Church...

Personally, I am not going to be so quick to dismiss the Jewish heritage of Christianity. ( and I am not saying anyone is doing this) I am reminded of what that Apostle Paul said concerning the Jews, of which he is one: "Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee." Romans 11:18

Jesus said that "Salvation is of the Jews" (and not the Gentiles) John 4:22

also consider:

For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. [u]And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:[/u]


“ The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”
Romans 11:25-27


Now in posting this, I am not talking about, or taking into consideration Jewish mysticism such as the kabala, or Jewish apostates, or any other thing like that, I never mentioned it.


I just found it interesting that the lunar cycles of the Jewish calender of feast days, line up with lunar and solar events like timed clockwork.

...Signs in the sun, moon and stars?

The Jewish holy feast days are based on the Jewish lunar calender and cycles, not the Gregorian calender which we have and use in our modern world today.

So for the purpose of study of these important Jewish holy feast days, to return to the origins of the Holy Bible to study it, is not a bad thing.

I find this a fascinating study, and worthy of consideration.

Now concerning the scripture you quoted.

Now what causes the massive earthquake written about?

The earthquake by itself will not cause the darkening of the skies, but an explosion and dust particles in the atmosphere would.

Personally, I think it is possible that the sun could be darkened by a massive explosion of some kind, and particulate suspended in the atmosphere could cause the moon to appear blood red, perhaps from a thermo-nuclear war or supervolcanoes, or both, or some other cataclysm/supernatural God ordained event.

Or perhaps, blood moons (lunar eclipses where the moon is a blood red) may be indeed what is referred to by the moon shall be turned into blood.

BTW There is an active supervolcano in Yellowstone National Park.
http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/supervolcano/supervolcano.html

sermonindex Apr 1, 2009

Brother, you've wrankled my post.

I am Messianic - half my family are Jewish and do know our roots & how HE will keep the Feast days until the end of the Millenial reign - but the Talmud and Kabbalah are extra-Biblical. You didn't mention Kabbalah but you quoted the Talmud in your post.

We were talking about eclipses compared to Rev 6:12-17 which happen with the Sixth Seal - and at the Seventh Seal Then the Seven Angels with the Seven Trumpets are loosed in Chpt 8. So the moon turning blood red is a while before the Last Trump.

The earthquake and the stars falling from the sky etc that happens after this earthquake is not talking about eclipses nor of anything that man has done because the Rev 6:15-17 the Kings etc hide from the wrath of the Lamb ... read those verses closely from Rev 6.

This program was done in 2008.

I don't think the book of the Revelation is interpreted by NASA.

Edit: I forgot to smile to show you I'm not upset.

:-)

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Earendel Apr 1, 2009


Jesus-is-GOD wrote:
Brother, you've wrankled my post.

I am Messianic - half my family are Jewish and do know our roots & how HE will keep the Feast days until the end of the Millenial reign - but the Talmud and Kabbalah are extra-Biblical. You didn't mention Kabbalah but you quoted the Talmud in your post.

We were talking about eclipses compared to Rev 6:12-17 which happen with the Sixth Seal - and at the Seventh Seal Then the Seven Angels with the Seven Trumpets are loosed in Chpt 8. So the moon turning blood red is a while before the Last Trump.

The earthquake and the stars falling from the sky etc that happens after this earthquake is not talking about eclipses nor of anything that man has done because the Rev 6:15-17 the Kings etc hide from the wrath of the Lamb ... read those verses closely from Rev 6.

This program was done in 2008.

I don't think the book of the Revelation is interpreted by NASA.

Edit: I forgot to smile to show you I'm not upset.

:-)

For the purpose of study I may quote the Encyclopedia Britannia, or Webster's Dictionary, or Strong's Concordance as well, but these do not replace the Scriptures either.

I found the study by Mark Biltz of Jewish feast days and blood moons an interesting study. :-)

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Earendel Apr 1, 2009


Jesus-is-GOD wrote:

This program was done in 2008.

Edit: I forgot to smile to show you I'm not upset.

:-)

sure it was...

And just look what happened on the Feast of Trumpets:

Rosh Hashanah September 30th, 2008

DOW Jones falls 777 points.
http://www.thenewstribune.com/business/story/495525.html

...thus began the woes of the current economic crisis, and there is no end in sight.

sermonindex Apr 1, 2009

I see christian-forum.net is still down. Do you know why? I'm not a poster there - just peeked in at you all from time to time. I'm not into Bible Codes.

As far as the Dow Jones - I believe that is 100% manipulated by the powers-that-be, so you with your Bible Codes and me with my theories about the illuminati can both be called nutz and by each other as well --- as long as we're Honest nutz.
Honesty is all HE is looking for presently. That 'heart condition'.

I think you'll enjoy being here after the style of that other place wears off and you catch on that each website has an atmosphere. You can see that all the wonderful Messages here are the main theme and our side conversations are just a bonus thrown in thanks to the Site owner.

You can make some good friends here.
Hope Shekel doesn't open back up for a while.
I think this is the place to be 'refined' for what's ahead.

GOD Bless you & Keep you.

E
Earendel Apr 1, 2009


Jesus-is-GOD wrote:
I see christian-forum.net is still down. Do you know why? I'm not a poster there - just peeked in at you all from time to time. I'm not into Bible Codes.

As far as the Dow Jones - I believe that is 100% manipulated by the powers-that-be, so you with your Bible Codes and me with my theories about the illuminati can both be called nutz and by each other as well --- as long as we're Honest nutz.
Honesty is all HE is looking for presently. That 'heart condition'.

I think you'll enjoy being here after the style of that other place wears off and you catch on that each website has an atmosphere. You can see that all the wonderful Messages here are the main theme and our side conversations are just a bonus thrown in thanks to the Site owner.

You can make some good friends here.
Hope Shekel doesn't open back up for a while.
I think this is the place to be 'refined' for what's ahead.

GOD Bless you & Keep you.

The Dow is manipulated...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-qufOWDawU

Listen to this guy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pD8viQ_DhS4


Money never disappears, it is merely transferred.
I don't know why that site is still down, sever problems I think. I'm not too much into bible codes, it's just not my thing, Shekel over there is. That site is full of messianic Jews too...a good thing. That site is mostly end times prophecy, news and current events, and bible studies that relate to end times. Doctrinal debates come up as well from time to time. I have done a considerable amount of research into the very thing you are talking about actually. Some videos on who the elites are, and what they are doing.

Pastor Lindsay Williams
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7889976507340301551

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2219026291450576553

The Money Masters - How International Bankers Gained Control of America
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936

Money As Debt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVkFb26u9g8

I had a considerable and lengthy post over there exposing these elites on that site, who they are, and why they are doing what they are doing, and their role in the overthrow of nation's self rule in favor of a one world global economic governing system.


sermonindex Apr 1, 2009

Ecc 1:18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.


It's difficult to not sorrow at this world, isn't it?

And to love the world as He does at the same time.

All we can do is pray one for another Brother.

Amen!

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