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crsschk Apr 3, 2009


[b]Trademark of the Beast[/b]

[i]June 10, 1998[/i]

Here's proof that you can't stop an urban legend, not even in a court of law.

In 1997, Procter & Gamble filed the most recent in a series of lawsuits against Amway Corporation and several of its distributors for allegedly spreading rumors to the effect that P&G, maker of familiar household products such as Mr. Clean and Tide laundry detergent, is affiliated with the Church of Satan.

In evidence, P&G lawyers submitted the transcript of a voicemail message in which an Amway distributor could be heard relaying what they characterized as false and malicious statements about Procter & Gamble to associates, including the allegation that the president of the company had avowed his personal allegiance to Satan on a nationally-televised TV talk show.

The text of the voicemail recording appears been lifted practically verbatim from a flier that has been circling the globe for many years via fax, snail mail, and, more recently, email. The rumors upon which it is based have existed for close to three decades and are still running rampant despite Procter & Gamble's best efforts to combat them -- as evidenced by a forwarded email that showed up in my inbox just last week:

PLEASE MAKE A DIFFERENCE
The President of Procter & gamble appeared on the Phil Donahue Show on March 1, 1994. He announced that due to the openness of our society, he was coming out of the closet about his association with the church of Satan. He stated that a large portion of his profits from Procter & Gamble Products goes to support this satanic church. When asked by Donahue if stating this on t.v. would hurt his business, he replied, "THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH CHRISTIANS IN THE UNITED STATES TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE."

Product list includes:
Cleaning supplies: Bold, Cascade, Cheers, Joy, Comet, Dash, Spic & Span, Tide, Top Job, Oxidol, Ivory Dreft, Gain, Mr. Clean, Lest Oil, Bounty Towels
Food: Duncan Hines, Fisher Nuts, Fisher Mints, Dehydrated Fruits
Coffee: Folgers, High Point
Shortening Oils: Crisco, Puritan, Fluffo
Deodorants: Secret, Sure
Diapers: Luvs, Pampers
Hair Care: Lilt, Head & Shoulders, Prell, Pert, Vidal Sassoon, Ivory
Acne Product: Clearasil
Mouthwash/Toothpaste: Scope, Crest, Gleam
Peanut Butter: JIF [nr] Personal Hygiene: Always, Attend Undergarments
Lotions: Oil of Olay, Wondra
Soap: Camay, Coast, Ivory, Lava, Safeguard, Zest, Oil of Olay
Fabric Softener: Downy, Bounce
Citrus Punch: Sunny Delight
Medication: Aleve, Pepto-Bismol

If you are not sure about the product, look for a Procter & Gamble written on the products, or the symbol of a ram's horn, which will appear on each product beginning on April. The ram's horn will form the 666, which is known as Satan's number. Christians should remember that if they purchase any of these products, they will be contributing to the church of Satan. Inform other Christians about this and STOP buying Procter & Gamble Products. Let's show Procter & Gamble that there are enough Christians to make a difference. On a previous Merv Griffin Show, the owner of Procter & Gamble said that if Satan would prosper he would give his heart and soul to him. Then he gave Satan credit for his riches.

Anyone interested seeing this tape, should send $3.00 to:
DONAHUE TRANSCRIPTS, JOURNAL GRAPHICS
26 BROADWAY NEW YORK, N. Y. 10007

WE URGE YOU TO MAKE COPIES OF THIS AND PASS IT ON TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE. THIS NEEDS TO STOP. LIZ CLAIRBORNE ALSO PROFESSES TO WORSHIP SATAN AND RECENTLY OPENLY ADMITTED ON THE OPRAH WINFREY SHOW THAT HALF OF HER PROFITS GO TOWARDS THE CHURCH OF SATAN.


Apart from the partial roster of Procter & Gamble products, which is accurate enough as far as it goes, the message contains nothing but false, misleading, defamatory statements without a shred of evidence to support them.

[i]Cont.[/i]

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crsschk Apr 3, 2009

The allegations aren't even plausible. There is no single "owner" of the Procter & Gamble Company blessed with the ability do whatever he likes with the profits, let alone tithe them to Satan. P&G is a publicly held corporation (as is Liz Claiborne, another company alleged to participate in Satan worship). The profits go to shareholders, to whom the companies' officers are answerable for every penny spent.

It's laughable, in any case, to picture the figureheads of such hugely successful companies — even if they did happen to be fanatical devil-worshippers — avowing their love of the Prince of Darkness on national television. People don't achieve that level of power and success by being morons.

What's more, we have Donahue's word for it that the president of Procter & Gamble never appeared on his show, let alone laid claim to being a Satanist:

[i]April 5, 1995
To Whom It May Concern

It seems impossible that the rumor of an appearance by the President of Procter & Gamble on DONAHUE is still circulating after more than a decade. There is absolutely nothing to this rumor.

The president of P&G has never appeared on DONAHUE, nor has any other P&G executive.

Anyone who claims to have seen such a broadcast is either mistaken or lying. It never happened!

Sincerely,
Phil Donahue[/i]

(Source: Procter & Gamble)

Donahue wrote this letter back in 1995, remarking even then that false rumors of an appearance by P&G's president on his show had been circulating for more than a decade.

The flyer claims the interview took place in 1994.

Nor was this the first statement Donahue had ever made on the matter. Jan Harold Brunvand, who debunked these selfsame rumors in his 1984 book, The Choking Doberman, reported at the time that Donahue, along with fellow talk show host Merv Griffin, had publicly denied the rumors as far back as 1982 (which was the same year, coincidentally or not, that P&G filed its first lawsuit against an Amway distributor for allegedly spreading misinformation about the company).

[b]Satan's number[/b]

Does the number 666 — the numeric "mark of the Beast" said to represent the Antichrist in the biblical Book of Revelation — appear in a ram's horn on Procter & Gamble packaging, as alleged in the flier?

No. There is no symbol of a ram's horn on P&G products, period. Once upon a time, the company logo featured a line drawing of the Man in the Moon with flowing white hair and a beard which curled off to a point in each direction [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Procter_&_Gamble#Logo_controversy](see example)[/url]. Granted, these could be imaginatively likened to ram's horns, but there is no reason to think they were intended to be seen as such, nor any reason to suppose that the designers embedded a secret reference to the number of the beast within them.

It's a moot point anyway, since the logo hasn't appeared on Procter & Gamble products in years.

[b]The religious factor[/b]

Despite the fact that its claims are not only demonstrably false but downright silly, the Procter & Gamble rumor continues to enjoy a global circulation both online and off, partly because it plays into the paranoid fears of its intended audience.

"There aren't enough Christians in the United States to make a difference," Procter & Gamble's president supposedly announced. Outlandish as it may seem to believe that such a prominent company -- one that prides itself on being a "household name" -- would alienate every Christian on the planet by aligning itself with Satan, there are obviously a great many people ready and willing to believe it. As Jeff Siemon of Search Ministries observes, the rumor is especially compelling to "Bible-believing" Christians because it fits into a world view that presupposes a literal battle between the spiritual forces of good and evil on earth:

[i]When we think of hoaxes that relate to conspiracies that are being concocted against Christianity — in the case of Madalyn Murray O'Hair or Procter & Gamble — this is in some sense consistent with the Biblical understanding that a great war rages at a spiritual level. Certainly there are enemies of the faith. This does not mean that these hoaxes are real, but there will be resistance and enemies of Christianity. The Christian, with an understanding of the Biblical world view, is sensitive to these kinds of responses against the Christian faith.[/i] (Source: Christian Coalition Website)

Defending the faith does not require abandoning reason. Bob Passentino, another evangelical leader, argues bluntly that some Christians are just too gullible: "It's not just a stamp we're wasting. It's our credibility. Our credibility is on the line. People might think if Christians are stupid enough to fall for this falsehood, maybe early Christians were gullible enough to fall for the resurrection story."

The issue goes beyond credibility; it's also a moral one. People who believe they're combating evil by spreading unverified rumors may in fact be doing just the opposite. Tempting as it may be to always look for deceit in high places, we would all do well to remember that lies, intentional or otherwise, can just as easily pass from our own lips or through our computer modems. Before sharing such scurrilous allegations with others, we ought to stop for a moment and consider whose interests are really being served.

[b]Update:[/b] In January 2003, the U.S. 10th Circuit Court of Appeals upheld a lower court's dismissal of Amway Corporation as a defendant in the lawsuit, chastising Procter & Gamble for "vague and confusing legal arguments."

[b]Update:[/b] In March 2007, Procter & Gamble was awarded $19 million in its lawsuit against four Amway distributors for disseminating rumors tying the company to Satanism.

[url=http://urbanlegends.about.com/]About.com: Urban legends[/url]

[url=http://www.snopes.com/business/alliance/procter.asp]Trademark of the Devil[/url]

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Compton Apr 3, 2009

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Interesting stuff Mike.

MC


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wayneman Apr 3, 2009

This first started over thirty years ago. I believed in it at the time because this sort of thing is fun to believe in. My excuse is that I was about 12 years old.

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crsschk Apr 3, 2009

[b]Robb Thompson preached a message of fear and dread[/b]


In 1999 I paid close attention to the teachings of one particular minister: Robb Thompson, pastor of Family Harvest Church in Tinley Park, Illinois (formerly called Midwest Christian Center), and host of the TV show, Winning in Life. My interest in Thompson was due in part to the fact that I lived in the Chicagoland area at the time, my brother-in-law knew people who attended (what was then called) Midwest Christian Center, and he and I even had the opportunity to attend a pool party at Thompson's multi-million dollar home. [3] But my biggest interest in Robb was due to the repeated warnings he gave to his congregation about the horrors of Y2K (which I heard via his television program).

Robb Thompson preached a message of fear and dread, and - with all the melodrama of a Left Behind novel - alluded frequently to how Y2K could very well signify the "beginning of the end." Of course, nothing happened. January 1, 2000 came and went without incident. By January 2 the clearance racks of every bookstore were filled to capacity with the all the prophecy books fortelling the doom and gloom of Y2K, and how "the end is near." I saw several stores with books marked up to 80% off. They couldn't give those books away! The authors don't care; the poor souls who bought the books became their cash cow in 1999. Thus, while I'm certain many of them could care less, more than a few of these writers of false prophecy lost all credibility. I also know of a few folks with basements full of canned goods who vowed never to return to Midwest Christian Center.

Why are people so prone to such invincible irrationality? At risk of oversimplification, the problem lies in pastors who care more about money than ministry, media who care more about ratings than reality, and a majority of citizens who embrace feeling over fact.

Nevertheless, Robb still has his job, and is going strong three years later. Why? Because the same gullibility that led so many of Robb Thompson's followers to blow their savings to stock up on canned goods also led most of them to believe whatever excuse Mr. Thompson concocted to cover his behind. I'm sure there are those who attend Robb Thompson's church who are genuinely seeking God. I'm also sure there are several who are only after the "health and wealth." Robb uses both motivations to his advantage, which means, financially speaking, Robb Thompson is currently "winning in life." A man may gain the whole world, but at what cost?

The event undeniably more significant than Y2K was the terrorist attacks in 2001 (the year which marked the real beginning of the new millennium). Y2K and 9-11 were both huge news items for the media, and several members of the media exploited them for the sake of higher ratings. When Y2K was seen as a real threat to many, the media often catered to the fears of the public. In the days, weeks, and months following 9-11, the media relied on their familiar modus operandi: sensationalism. Does anyone deny the damage this type of programming can cause? The National Mental Health Association doesn't deny it, and, as the one-year anniversary of 9-11 approached, the Association cautioned that people should "cut back on TV time" to avoid adverse effects. [4] Many so-called journalists, like Robb Thompson and the afformentioned authors of false Y2K prophecy, care only about personal gain. Truth and propriety are abandoned when either becomes a hindrance.

http://www.a180.net/y2k_editorial.html

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Compton Apr 3, 2009

Truth and propriety are abandoned when either becomes a hindrance.

This can describe the buyer as well as the seller.

MC

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ccchhhrrriiisss Apr 3, 2009

Thanks Mike!

What is so sad is that you can say this to some believers...show them "evidence" online...show them webpages and court documents where P&G actually SUED people for spreading this...and you will STILL have some of those same believers claiming that it is still true. The "evidence" doesn't really matter when these sort of people so badly want the outcome to be otherwise.

Hmmm...it makes me think of some of the petty doctrinal issues that serve to divide believers. Are people looking for evidence to support their views...or are they searching for truth regardless of the outcome? It makes me wonder how many of us [i]strain a gnat and swallow a camel[/i]?

:-(

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crsschk Apr 4, 2009

[b]Apocalypse Then[/b]

[i][b]Remembering the Y2K Hysteria[/b][/i]


Exactly ten years ago this week I preached in our church's morning service. I can't remember if John MacArthur was ill or suddenly called out of town for some reason, but I remember being asked very late to fill in. I had about 24 hours to prepare.

It being the first Sunday of 1999, I decided to preach an appropriately forward-looking message on Matthew 6:34 and its context: "Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself."

In those days, the evangelical world was at the peak of the Y2K insanity, so I made reference to that issue in my message. At the time, Gary North was operating a heavily-trafficked website that included this:

[i]We've got a problem.[/i] It may be the biggest problem that the modern world has ever faced. I think it is. At 12 midnight on January 1, 2000 (a Saturday morning), most of the world's mainframe computers will either shut down or begin spewing out bad data. Most of the world's desktop computers will also start spewing out bad data. Tens of millions—possibly hundreds of millions—of pre-programmed computer chips will begin to shut down the systems they automatically control. This will create a nightmare for every area of life, in every region of the industrialized world.


North's Web site had links to more than 3,000 places where you could read similar doom-and-gloom predictions about the Y2K crisis. He grimly told visitors to his Web site that they had better heed these doomsday warnings, or they would certainly regret it.

Today, he admits, "I did not understand the Y2K thing in any sort of detail. I took someone elses [sic] word for it. . . ."

At the time, he was saying:

It took me from early 1992 until late 1996 to come to grips emotionally with the Year 2000 Problem. You had better be a lot faster on the uptake than I was. We're running out of time.

I don't mean that society is running out of time to fix this problem. Society has already run out of time for that. There are not enough programmers to fix it. The technical problems cannot be fixed on a system-wide basis. The Millennium Bug will hit in 2000, no matter what those in authority decide to do now. As a system, the world economy is now beyond the point of no return. So, when I say "we," I mean you and I as individuals. We are running out of time as individuals to evade the falling dominoes . . .. We are facing a breakdown of civilization if the power grid goes down.


(It frankly amused me that a postmillennialist like North, who had frequently derided premillennialists by referring to them as "[i][b]pess[/i][/b]imillennialists" would himself make a career of fear-mongering. But that is just what he has done. So much for the vaunted "optimism" of theonomic postmillennialism.)

In my message that morning a decade ago, I pointed out that the spirit of that kind of panic-mongering was 180 degrees at odds with a whole string of Jesus' commands in Matthew 6:25-33. I mostly just explained the biblical text.

I admit I wasn't prepared for the reaction I got that morning. There was a smallish group of people in the church who were fully into the Y2K hysteria, and they approached me in a phalanx as soon as the service was over. The guy who would have been their spokesman (if his wife hadn't kept interrupting him) was so angry he was red in the face and spitting when he talked. He said he was going to meet with the elders and demand equal time to tell the people of Grace Church they needed to start stockpiling food and preparing for the looming crisis. He likened me to me a holocaust denier.

I stood there and listened to them for ten minutes or so until they began to calm down a bit. I let them talk and did not interrupt, except to ask how [i]they[/i] thought Matthew 6:25-34 applied to our society in 1999.

As the spokesdude began to lose some of his steam, he said, "Look: all I know is that if you're wrong, you are guilty of placing the people of our church in mortal jeopardy by not encouraging them to stockpile food and prepare Y2K bunkers. But if [b][i]I'm[/i][/b] wrong, the worst that will happen is that I will have to come back and apologize to you for losing my temper."

"Will you do that?" I asked.

"Of course I would—if it turns out I am wrong," he avowed. "But I am [i][b]not[/b][/i] wrong."

"I will look for you on the first Sunday of the year 2000," I promised.


He moved to a remote part of Idaho that fall because he wanted to be as far as possible from any urban area when all the computers started spewing bad data. One of the hard-core Y2K aficionados in the group actually left his wife when it came to light that she did not share his fear of the coming apocalypse. He likewise moved out of state.

Ten years after the fact, not one of that group of Y2K cadets has ever come back and formally acknowledged that they were wrong, much less apologized for the scene they made that morning.

Gary North is now selling doomsday advice for a monthly fee—[url=http://www.garynorth.com/public/10.cfm]"approximately the cost of one movie ticket, a large box of popcorn, and a large soft drink per month."
[/url]

My advice: the popcorn is much healthier for you.

Even if you load it with butter.

Seriously.

[url=http://teampyro.blogspot.com/2009/01/apocalypse-then.html]Phil Johnson[/url]

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ginnyrose Apr 4, 2009

Mike,

I am curious: why are you bring this subject up now? (BTW, I agree with what you posted..) I think I know the answer but would like to hear what else you have to say...

ginnyrose

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crsschk Apr 4, 2009

I am curious: why are you bring this subject up now? (BTW, I agree with what you posted..) I think I know the answer but would like to hear what else you have to say...

Hi Ginny, others ... Apologize if this seems elusive, I am dealing with some things and don't have the wherewithal to write or speak much at the moment. Perhaps later ...

Painting a picture here, something that has been a growing concern for a very long time.

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tjservant Apr 4, 2009

My advice: the popcorn is much healthier for you.

Even if you load it with butter.

:-)

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ginnyrose Apr 4, 2009

If this rumor started 30 years ago, I was a young mother in my 30s. I remember it well! My! If you did not believe it you were suspect! Really! You could not believe the hysteria this story caused among adults. The reason people believe is because most are honest folks who assume others will be honest as well, so that makes honest folks vulnerable.

Back then there was no Internet to disseminate misinformation, it was letters and word-of-mouth. Today we have the Internet - and a proliferation of more legend legends - and there are sites set up to wade through stories, working to discern truth from error. I find www.truthorfiction.com to be good.

The flip side of it all is that in our country one still has the freedom to post whatever you imagine with little repercussions. Such is the down side of the 'freedom of speech'. To be discerning to stop rumor when we hear it becomes a challenge. (Hey, some are quite cute and inspiring! :-( )

ginnyrose

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Earendel Apr 4, 2009

I remember that Proctor and Gamble thing from the 80's. Their trademark is not the mark of the beast.

Revelation 13:16-17 Mark of the beast in order to control who buys and sells anything? That is one of the reasons why the mark of the beast comes, there are other reasons for the mark.

Control over Buying/Selling? Whoever controls the money, whoever controls the regulation of money - the regulation of business, controls it all. Whoever controls world economics and the banking sector, controls the buying and selling of goods and services. They set the prices of goods and services by creating inflation or deflation, by expanding or contracting credit within the banking system.

sermonindex Apr 4, 2009

Yes and I prefer JIF peanut butter but why is this on this section where we look for ....

[b]Articles and Sermons[/b]
[i]This section is for posting and discussing of sermon articles and audio sermons by various speakers. There is a restriction to post to audio sermons outside of SermonIndex but text sermons can be posted for fruitful, edifying discussion.[/i]


Just threw me - I couldn't make out what the title was at first - thought it was some huge theological word that I'd never learned. :-(

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MaryJane Apr 4, 2009

Greetings Mike

I am really liking these articles. I am also looking forward to seeing what Father is showing you through these. Thanks for sharing.

God Bless
MJ

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crsschk Apr 5, 2009

[b]When Prophecies Fail[/b]

[i]Few aspects of the Jehovah's Witness movement are more fascinating to the outside observer than their predictions of the end of the world.[/i]

Yet the predictions themselves are just the surface ripples of a much deeper current in the lives of the movement's adherents. How the prophecies affect the members, how their belief in the prophecy gets stronger, and how they cope with disillusionment and finally regroup with greater strength is far more fascinating food for thought. There have been plenty of end-times scenarios that could be studied since the time of Christ.

As early as the second century, the charismatic leader Montanus gained a following around the belief that the second coming of the Lord was at hand, and that this would occur at a specific location according to his "New Prophecy". Harold O.J. Brown says, "Montanus' conviction that the end of the age was at hand led him to call on Christians to abstain from marriage, dissolve marriages already contracted, and gather in an appropriate place to await the descent of the heavenly city. The heavenly city did not descend when expected, and consequently Montanus and his followers had to come to terms with its delay, as the whole church had to learn to deal with the postponement of Christ's Second Coming." 1 What is interesting, however, was that the Montanists did not die out right away, but continued as a small cult for several centuries in Phrygia of Asia Minor."

[b]Leon Festinger's Theory[/b]

In studying this phenomenon, credit must be given to Leon Festinger for his cognitive dissonance theory, as developed in his book When Prophecy Fails, originally published in 1956 and co-authored by Festinger, Henry W. Riecken and Stanley Schachter. The authors comprised a research team who conducted a study of a small cult-following of a Mrs. Marian Keech, a housewife who claimed to receive messages from aliens via automatic writing. The message of the aliens was one of a coming world cataclysm, but with the hope of surviving for the elect who listened to them through Keech and selected other mediums. What Festinger and his associates demonstrated in the end was that the failure of prophecy often has the opposite effect of what the average person might expect; the cult following often gets stronger and the members even more convinced of the truth of their actions and beliefs! This unique paradox is the focus of attention in this article, and will be later applied specifically to the Jehovah's Witness movement.

Festinger observes: "A man with a conviction is a hard man to change. Tell him you disagree and he turns away. Show him facts or figures and he questions your sources. Appeal to logic and he fails to see your point. "

We have all experienced the futility of trying to change a strong conviction, especially if the convinced person has some investment in his belief. We are familiar with the variety of ingenious defenses with which people protect their convictions, managing to keep them unscathed through the most devastating attacks. "

But man's resourcefulness goes beyond simply protecting a belief. Suppose an individual believes something with his whole heart; suppose further that he has a commitment to this belief, that he has taken irrevocable actions because of it; finally, suppose that he is presented with evidence, unequivocal and undeniable evidence, that his belief is wrong: what will happen? The individual will frequently emerge, not only unshaken, but even more convinced of the truth of his beliefs than ever before. Indeed, he may even show a new fervor about convincing and converting other people to his view. 3

When Prophecy Fails focuses on the failure of prophecies to come true, termed disconfirmation by Festinger, and the accompanied renewal of energy and faith in their source of divine guidance. His theory presupposes the cult having certain identifying features, such as:

(a) belief held with deep conviction along with respective actions taken,
(b) the belief or prediction must be specific enough to be disconfirmed (i.e., it didn't happen),
(c) the believer is a member of a group of like-minded believers who support one another and even proselytize.

All of these characteristics were present in the saucer cult. Of particular interest in Festinger's book is how the followers of Mrs. Keech reacted to each disconfirmation (failed date). Little attempt was made to deny the failure. The strength to continue in the movement was derived, not largely from the rationalizations , but from the very energy of the group itself and its dedication to the cause. This explains why proselytizing was so successful later in reinforcing the group's sagging belief system.

Festinger relates: "But whatever explanation is made it is still by itself not sufficient. The dissonance is too important and though they may try to hide it, even from themselves, the believers still know that the prediction was false and all their preparations were in vain. The dissonance cannot be eliminated completely by denying or rationalizing the disconfirmation. But there is a way in which the remaining dissonance can be reduced. If more and more people can be persuaded that the system of belief is correct, then clearly it must, after all, be correct. Consider the extreme case: if everyone in the whole world believed something there would be no question at all as to the validity of this belief. It is for this reason that we observe the increase in proselytizing following disconfirmation. If the proselytizing proves successful, then by gathering more adherents and effectively surrounding himself with supporters, the believer reduces dissonance to the point where he can live with it." 4

In the end, the members of the flying saucer cult did not give up their faith in the Guardians from outer space with their promises of a new world. Despite numerous prophecies and the resultant disappointment accentuated by many personal sacrifices, the group remained strong. Summarizing the final stages of the flying saucer cult, Festinger says: "Summarizing the evidence on the effect that disconfirmation had on the conviction of group members, we find that, of the eleven members of the Lake City group who faced unequivocal disconfirmation, only two, Kurt Freund and Arthur Bergen, both of whom were lightly committed to begin with, completely gave up their belief in Mrs. Keech's writings. Five members of the group, the Posts, the Armstrongs, and Mrs. Keech, all of whom entered the pre-cataclysm period strongly convinced and heavily committed, passed through this period of disconfirmation and its aftermath with their faith firm, unshaken, and lasting. Cleo Armstrong and Bob Eastman, who had come to Lake City heavily committed but with their conviction shaken by Ella Lowell, emerged from the disconfirmation of December 21 more strongly convinced than before..." 5

[b]Application to the Watchtower[/b]

Festinger and co-authors review a few of the historic millennial movements. Among them were the Millerites, a cult centered around the advent hopes for the end of the world to come in the year 1843 as taught by William Miller. The feelings of those in the Millerite movement after the 1843 prophecy had passed were conveyed in the memoirs of F.D. Nichol (who continued to defend William Miller even after the disconfirmed date): "Our fondest hopes and expectations were blasted, and such a spirit of weeping came over us as I never experienced before. It seemed that the loss of all earthly friends could have been no comparison. We wept, and wept, till the day dawn. I mused in my own heart, saying, my advent experience has been the richest and brightest of all my Christian experience. If this had proved a failure, what was the rest of my Christian experience worth? Has the Bible proved a failure? Is there no God, no heaven, no golden home city, no paradise? Is all this but a cunningly devised fable? Is there no reality to our fondest hope and expectation of these things? And thus we had something to grieve and weep over, if all our fond hopes were lost. And as I said, we wept till the day dawn." 6

Interestingly, Festinger fails to discuss the International Bible Students (later known as Jehovah's Witnesses) who borrowed extensively from several millennial theories of the day. In January 1876 Russell began a partnership with Nelson H. Barbour, a former Millerite. Barbour convinced Russell that the year 1873 marked the end of 6000 years of human history.

Historian M. James Penton tells us that Barbour had gone far beyond Wendell and his associates, who had originally believed that 1873 would see the second advent and the consummation of the earth by fire. When nothing visible had happened in that year, they were at first quite perplexed until B.W. Keith, a reader of the Herald, discovered Benjamin Wilson's translation of parousia as "presence" Then, like Russell, Barbour and Paton began to believe in the idea of an invisible presence of the Christ, which they felt had begun on schedule in 1874." 7

Penton, a Watchtower historian and critic of the movement, relates additional information regarding the prophecies of Russell: "No major Christian sectarian movement has been so insistent on prophesying the end of the present world in such definite ways or on such specific dates as have Jehovah's Witnesses, at least since the Millerites and Second Adventists of the nineteenth century who were the Witnesses' direct millenarian forbears. During the early years of their history, they consistently looked to specific dates-1874, 1878, 1881, 1910, 1914, 1918, 1920, 1925, and others-as having definite eschatological significance...When these prophecies failed, they had to be reinterpreted, spiritualized, or, in some cases, ultimately abandoned. This did not deter Russell or his followers from setting new dates, however, or from simply proclaiming that the end of this world or system of things was no more than a few years or perhaps even months away." 8

The results of disconfirmation of prophecy within the organization was later admitted by the Watch Tower itself: "The Watch Tower, and its companion publications of the Society, for forty years emphasized the fact that 1914 would witness the establishment of God's kingdom and the complete glorification of the church. During that period of forty years God's people on earth were carrying on a witness work, which work was foreshadowed by Elijah and John the Baptist. All of the Lord's people looked forward to 1914 with joyful expectation. "When that time came and passed there was much disappointment, chagrin and mourning, and the Lord's people were greatly in reproach; They were ridiculed by the clergy and their allies in particular, and pointed to with scorn, because they had said so much about 1914, and what would come to pass, and their `prophecies' had not been fulfilled." 9

The disconfirmation of the 1914 date did not deter the majority of the Bible Students. Russell had the ability to lift up their spirits with new fervor and hope, as the December 15, 1914 issue of The Watch Tower illustrates: "God has promised that He will give His true children the light at the time appointed, and that they shall have the joy of understanding His Plan at the appropriate season ... Even if the time of our change should not come within ten years, what more should we ask? Are we not a blessed, happy people? Is not our God faithful? If anyone knows anything better, let him take it. If any of you ever find anything better, we hope you will tell us. We know of nothing better nor half as good as what we have found in the Word of God." 10

Russell reworked his chronology and moved the date for the end of the world up to 1915. After the end failed to materialize in 1915, the end was set for 1918, when "God destroys the churches wholesale and the church members by millions." 11

At the death of C.T. Russell in 1916, J.F. Rutherford took over the role of the `prophet,' proclaiming in 1920 that Millions Now Living Will Never Die in a booklet and lecture by the same name. Rutherford set a new date for the end for 1925, also claiming that it would bring the resurrection of the ancient men of God to the earth, such as Abraham, Isaac, David, etc. So sure was Rutherford of this that he made the following statements: "Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and the faithful prophets of old, particularly those named by the apostle in Hebrews chapter 11, to the condition of human perfection." 12

"The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by the scriptures than 1914." 13

"Our thought is, that 1925 is definitely settled by the scriptures. As to Noah, the Christian now has much more upon which to base his faith than Noah had upon which to base his faith in a coming deluge." 14

Rutherford even had a house built in San Diego for these ancients, and it was deeded to them when it was built! 15

Bearing witness to the ability of the Witnesses to ride out this period of disconfirmation, the house and the prophecy wasn't abandoned until 1943, when it was promptly sold. The Witnesses were later told that it was "built for brother Rutherford's use." 16

Rutherford kept the Witnesses occupied with proselytizing during the thirties. As with the flying saucer cult, Rutherford began teaching that there was some great significance in their disappointment over the disconfirmed prophecies and that the dates were somehow important, but they eventually decided against setting dates: "There was a measure of disappointment on the part of Jehovah's faithful ones on earth concerning the years 1914, 1918, and 1925, which disappointment lasted for a time. Later the faithful learned that these dates were definitely fixed in the Scriptures; and they also learned to quit fixing dates for the future and predicting what would come to pass on a certain date ..." 17

The disappointment didn't last long, however. The outbreak of World War II was seen as the beginning of Armageddon. An in-house publication of the Watchtower stated in 1940: "The Kingdom is here, the King is enthroned. Armageddon is just ahead. The glorious reign of Christ that shall bring blessings to the world will immediately follow. Therefore the great climax has been reached. Tribulation has fallen upon those who stand by the Lord." 18

The Watchtower of September 15, 1941 (p . 288) even stated that we are "in the remaining months before Armageddon." Armageddon fever was at an all-time high. Barbara Grizzuti Harrison, former member of the Watchtower's Bethel family, gives us a glimpse of the air of expectancy: "So firmly did Jehovah's Witnesses believe this to be true that there were those who, in 1944, refused to get their teeth filled, postponing all care of their bodies until God saw to their regeneration in His New World. (One zealous Witness I knew carried a supply of cloves to alleviate the pain of an aching molar which she did not wish to have treated by her dentist, since the time was so short till Jehovah would provide a new and perfect one. To this day, I associate the fragrance of cloves with the imminence of disaster.)" 19

[i]Cont.[/i]

sermonindex Apr 5, 2009

When David Wilkerson's 'urgent' word came out - all I felt to post at that initial moment was the latter part of 1 Thess 5.

I think I know why now.

I believe Phil Johnson may need some of P&G's Pepto-Bismol before it's all over - plus.


The months before Y2K, my daughter and I began cutting out of the Newspaper Only, remarks by the Y2K Czar and other Senators and Government Officials [ie. FEMA, etc] and they were all saying what Gary North was relaying from them all. :-(
I still have all of those Newspaper Quotes from all of those Government Officials.


1Th 5:15 See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men.
1Th 5:16 Rejoice evermore.
1Th 5:17 Pray without ceasing.
1Th 5:18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.
1Th 5:19 Quench not the Spirit.
1Th 5:20 Despise not prophesyings.
1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
1Th 5:22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.
1Th 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1Th 5:24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.
1Th 5:25 Brethren, pray for us.
1Th 5:26 Greet all the brethren with an holy kiss.
1Th 5:27 I charge you by the Lord that this epistle be read unto all the holy brethren.
1Th 5:28 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.

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crsschk Apr 5, 2009

[i]Cont.[/i]

[b]A New Date - 1975[/b]

The end came for Rutherford in 1942, as he passed away and N.H. Knorr took his place as the key member of the faithful and discreet slave, dispensing prophetic messages to the Witnesses. However, more credit is due to Frederick W. Franz, Knorr's vice-president, for the prediction of 1975 that first appeared in Life Everlasting in Freedom of the Sons of God (1966). Exercising caution in stating that this new date would definitely be the end, Franz (through his public lectures and Watchtower articles) made statements such as "according to this trustworthy Bible chronology six thousand years from man's creation will end in 1975, and the seventh period of a thousand years of human history will begin in the fall of 1975 C.E." 20

Any Jehovah's Witness knew that the end of 6000 years meant the beginning of the millennium of Christ's reign. The Awake! magazine of October 8, 1968 (p. 14) stated, "How fitting it would be for God, following this pattern, to end man's misery after six thousand years of human rule and follow it with his glorious Kingdom rule for a thousand years!" In lectures given to the members of the headquarters staff in New York, Franz stated (regarding the end) that "we don't know now if it will be weeks or months," before a crowd of 2000 Witnesses. 21

Many other statements were made in print. One traveling overseer even gave a public talk indicating it would be a total lack of faith to doubt that 1975 would be the end! 22

Franz became the fourth president of the Watchtower a year later. Unlike the flying saucer cult and the Millerites, the Watchtower was at first unwilling to accept blame for the disconfirmation, shifting it to "over-zealous brothers." Many Witnesses, however, were outraged and the Watchtower finally accepted much of the blame publicly.

Friends of those who were Jehovah's Witnesses often noted the changes in their lives as 1975 approached. Janice Godlove relates this regarding her JW brother and sister-in-law: "As 1975 approached, the signs of tension increased. Strange bits and pieces of the family atmosphere came to our attention. There was an almost morbid fascination with flocks of birds gathering in the fall. We were given all of their canned goods since they wouldn't need them anymore. An access panel had been cut in the wall behind their washing machine and the boys (who were 5 and 3 at the time) were told to run to the kitchen and hide if they heard screams. Bill was so disappointed by the failure of 1975 that he attempted suicide. But the tract we left by his hospital bed went unread and the family remained in the organization." 23

Today, 1975 is played down, but no recent reason is officially given for the disconfirmation, nor is there any further official date on the horizon. Some recent converts are even unaware of the 1975 expectations.

[b]A Pattern for the Future[/b]

A pattern emerges when we examine the growth figures before and after each disconfirmation. Typically, there was a rapid growth in numbers at least two years before the prophetic date, followed by a falling away of some (viewed as a "cleansing" of the organization of the unfaithful), then another growth spurt as a new emphasis on evangelism was put forward. It may seem incomprehensible how the Witnesses could ignore the implications of each disconfirmation.

Outsiders view the Witnesses as lacking common sense for not leaving the organization after numerous failures. They fail to understand the dynamics of mind control as used by cults. Even many ex-JWs fail to understand that the further disconfirmation of the importance of 1914 and "this generation" will not seriously affect the numbers of those swelling the ranks of the Watchtower. The results of mind control and unquestioning obedience will have the same effect today as it did in Russell's day. His view was, "Where else can we go?" Harrison writes regarding this attitude, "That, of course, is one of the keys to survival of the organization Russell founded on soft mysticism, glorious visions and worldly disaffection. The Witnesses had nowhere else to go. Their investment in their religion was total; to leave it would have meant spiritual and emotional bankruptcy. They were not equipped to function in a world without certainty. It was their life. To leave it would be a death." 24

This same dependency-unto-death phenomena is at work in thousands of cults all over the world. People wondered at Jonestown: "Why didn't they leave when they saw what Jim Jones was becoming?" The people of Jonestown answered by their actions, "Where else would we go?" They had burned their bridges to follow their Messiah unto death. Over 110 years and several failed prophecies later, the Watchtower movement is testimony enough that failed predictions do not mean the dissolution of a cult following. The failure of 1975 resulted in a decrease of less than 2%. 25

The Watchtower will always be able to develop clever rationalizations regarding their changing dates, as their history documents. Today, the Watchtower grows at a rate of about 5% per year worldwide, with over 3.7 million door knockers and over 9 million sympathizers! 26

When the dissolution of the Watchtower movement comes, as it inevitably will, it will more likely be due to dissension from within than from the disconfirmation of prophecy. Until that day, let us hope and pray that the eyes of many Witnesses will be opened up to the grace and mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ and come to Him. FOOTNOTES: 1. Harold O.J. Brown, Heresies (New York: Doubleday, 1984), p. 67. 2.

In brief, Festinger explains the cognitive dissonance theory thusly: "Dissonance and consonance are relations among cognitions that is, among opinions, beliefs, knowledge of the environment, and knowledge of one's own actions and feelings. Two opinions, or beliefs, or items of knowledge are dissonant with each other if they do not fit together that is, if they are inconsistent, or if, considering only the particular two items, one does not follow from the other. For example, a cigarette smoker who believes that smoking is bad for his health has an opinion that is dissonant with the knowledge that he is continuing to smoke. He may have many other opinions, beliefs, or items of knowledge that are consonant with continuing to smoke but the dissonance nevertheless exists too."

Dissonance produces discomfort and, correspondingly, there will arise pressures to reduce or eliminate the dissonance. Attempts to reduce dissonance represent the observable manifestations that dissonance exists. Such attempts may take any or all of three forms. The person may try to change one or more of the beliefs, opinions, or behaviors involved in the dissonance; to acquire new information or beliefs that will increase the existing consonance and thus cause the total dissonance to be reduced; or to forget or reduce the importance of those cognitions that are in a dissonant relationship." (p. 25-26)

"Alternatively, the dissonance would be reduced or eliminated if the members of a movement effectively blind themselves to the fact that the prediction has not been fulfilled. But most people, including members of such movements, are in touch with reality and cannot simply blot out of their cognition such an unequivocal and undeniable fact. They can try to ignore it, however, and they usually do try. They may convince themselves that the date was wrong but that the prediction will, after all, be shortly confirmed; or they may even set another date as the Millerites did.... Rationalization can reduce dissonance somewhat. For rationalization to be fully effective, support from others is needed to make the explanation or the revision seem correct. Fortunately, the disappointed believer can usually turn to the others in the same movement, who have the same dissonance and the same pressures to reduce it. Support for the new explanation is, hence, forthcoming and the members of the movement can recover somewhat from the shock of the disconfirmation."

[i]From the Bethel Ministries Newsletter May/June 1990 (now the Free Minds Journal)[/i]

Leon Festinger, Henry W. Riecken, and Stanley Schachter, When Prophecy Fails, (New York: Harper and Row, 1956), pp. 27, 28.
3. ibid., p. 3.
4. ibid., p. 28.
5. ibid., p. 208.
6. ibid., p. 22; quoted from Hiram Edson, fragment of ms. on his life and experience, pp. 8,9, quoted in Francis D. Nichol, The Midnight Cry (Tacoma Park, Washington, D.C.: Review and Herald Publishing Company, 1944), pp. 247-248.
7. M. James Penton, Apocalypse Delayed (Toronto: University of Toronto Press, 1985), p. 18.
8. ibid., pp. 34.
9. Joseph Rutherford, Light, Book I (New York: Watchtower Bible & Tract Society, 1930), p. 194.
10. The Watch Tower, 12/15/14, p. 377.
11. Watchtower Bible & Tract Society (WTBTS), The Finished Mystery, 1917 edition, p. 485.
12. WTBTS, Millions Now Living Will Never Die, 1920, p. 89.
13. The Watch Tower, 9/1/22, p. 262.
14. ibid., 4/1/23, p. 106.
15. Consolation (WTBTS), 5/27/42, p. 3, also Golden Age (WTBTS), 3/19/30, p. 406, 407.
16. WTBTS, 1975 Yearbook, p. 194.
17. WTBTS, Vindication, Book I, 1931, pp. 338, 339.
18. WTBTS, The Messenger, 9/1/40, p. 6.
19. Barbara Grizzuti Harrison, Visions of Glory (New York: Simon and Schuster, 1978), p. 16.
20. WTBTS, Life Everlasting in Freedom of the Sons of God, 1966, p. 29.
21. F.W. Franz, verbatim as quoted by Randall Watters, present at the March 2, 1975 graduating class of the students of Gilead school. See The Watchtower, 5/1/75, p. 285.
22. Message given by C. Sunutko, Circuit Overseer, in 1967 (tape available).
23. The Bethel Ministries Newsletter, November, 1987, in a letter by Janice Godlove respecting her brother and sisterinlaw.
24. Harrison, p. 167.
25. Raymond Franz, Crisis of Conscience (Atlanta: Commentary Press, 1983), p. 212. 26. WTBTS, 1990 Yearbook, pp. 4041.

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Earendel Apr 5, 2009


crsschk wrote:
[i]Cont.[/i]

[b]A New Date - 1975[/b]

The end came for Rutherford in 1942, as he passed away and N.H. Knorr took his place as the key member of the faithful and discreet slave, dispensing prophetic messages to the Witnesses...

Oh how the grand enemy of souls desires the ruin of man's soul!

Know this, that when Satan thought that you were destroyed, the snare was broken and you escaped.
How it is a torment for those satans, to see men made the heirs of heaven while they are doomed to the lake of fire, having never been offered salvation.

The kiss of death will touch all the unredeemed in that day, and God's judgement will surely fall upon the unmerciful. But justice and mercy will surely triumph, in God's grace for those who are redeemed. For justice was fully satisfied at the cross of Christ in the just punishment of sin; and mercy triumphed, and was pleased there because salvation for poor sinners was completed. Oh, eternal praises to the name of Jesus for ever, that His grace has made me willing to accept this gift, and become an heir of salvation! For though the lost will lament that when salvation had been offered to them, they had refused it. Consider that it is therefore God's grace alone that helps us to accept it, and not to be high-minded against those who are lost. Oh to have the heart of Jesus, and to give ourselves to the love that He gave us, and to have a burden for lost humanity.

To the lost, all of their intolerable sufferings that shall come, will last to all eternity! [i]"Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire,"[/i] is that which shall continually ring in their ears forever. Oh, that they could reverse that fatal sentence! Oh, if there was but a bare possibility of salvation from that eternal darkness to which they are plunged, but alas there is not! There is nothing they have, and this is the miserable situation they will be in, and shall be in forever.

Of all the torments of hell of those that reject Christ, and the just punishment of sin and recompense that unforgiven man by willful choice, will be made to endure in the Lake of Fire...but there is yet a better place to see the effects due to sin. That place can be seen when you behold the blessed Son of God upon the cross. There we may see the terrible effects of sin...for He bore it on His body...that is to say man's sin. There we may see all of sin's true evil. For all the sufferings of the damned souls of men, are but the sufferings of created beings; but on the cross you see a suffering God.”
For God is not untouched by us...How deep the love of my Creator, to save a sinking dying soul from hell, that he took my place and said "it is finished" I receive you Lord Jesus, with all of my heart! Amen! He is my hope forever, and I will love Him through out all eternity...and my hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in my heart by the Holy Spirit who has been given to me. Romans 5:5

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crsschk Apr 5, 2009

Reprinted from the [i]Fort Worth Star-Telegram[/i], 3/02/2003


[b]PROFIT in the pulpit[/b]
By Darren Barbee
[i]Star-Telegram[/i] Staff Writer


First of three parts

[i](Excerpt)[/i]


Mike Murdock peers into the television camera, seemingly able to see the people watching him. He says he can sense that the poor, the struggling and the lonely have tuned in to his program.

"You've got to have a breakthrough," he tells them.

Murdock offers the solution to all their problems: Give money to a man of God.

Murdock's unwavering message – on his program, at his seminars and in his books – is the Law of the Seed: Plant a seed and reap a harvest from God. The seed can be time, patience, love. But Murdock specializes in encouraging people to give money.

In return, Murdock promises, God will restore relationships, heal the body and provide financial salvation. The reward will be 100 times the gift.

All of the money, the Denton televangelist says, allows the Mike Murdock Evangelistic Association to spread the Gospel to the four corners of the earth.

"If any of this money is for Mike Murdock's personal gain," he often says, "may a curse be upon me and my ministry and may my tongue cleave to the roof of my mouth."

But a six-month [i]Star-Telegram[/i] examination shows that the ministry, which Murdock founded as a nonprofit corporation, spends more than 60 percent of its revenue on overhead.

Though Murdock says he despises poverty, the ministry's spending for needy families and benevolence is minuscule. For nearly a decade, less than 1 percent of donors' money has been used for such charitable works.

On the other hand, the ministry pays Murdock, its 56-year-old president and director, a salary that has helped him maintain a lavish lifestyle that includes Rolex watches, expensive sports cars and exotic animals.

In 2000, $3.9 million poured into the ministry, though Murdock's pitch is typically for small amounts. Send $31 a month or $58. Donate $1,000 to "break the back of poverty," he says. Give sacrificially.

"You say, 'Mike ... what if I don't have it?' " Murdock says during a November broadcast of his weekly television program [i]Wisdom Keys[/i].

God will provide, Murdock answers. Give the money anyway.

"Take a step of faith," he says.

Murdock has slipped in and out of the public's attention. He made a splash in the early 1980s on [i]The PTL Club[/i] television program with Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker.

Murdock, untouched by PTL's collapse in scandal, developed his own television ministry. Today, he still frequents the programs of more-successful televangelists, such as faith healer Benny Hinn.

In Texas, the public briefly took notice of Murdock's operations in 1998 after a string of women arrived in Argyle believing that he would marry or employ them. Murdock says he misled no one.

He later moved the headquarters from Argyle to Denton, where he resumed a largely anonymous local existence. He is detached from the community even as he reaches millions of people through his books, his seminars and [i]Wisdom Keys[/i], seen in at least 50 communities.

Though it's unclear how many viewers tune in, the ministry recently bought time on the Black Entertainment Television network, which Murdock said gives the show a potential viewership of 72 million households.

Murdock would not agree to an interview with the [i]Star-Telegram[/i] unless everything he said was printed verbatim.

The televangelist labels as "satanic" anyone who examines the ministry's operations. And if others question his extravagant lifestyle – or compare it with the humble existence of some of the ministry's staff members – he says they are attacking his theology.

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"If any of this money is for Mike Murdock's personal gain," he often says, "may a curse be upon me and my ministry and may my tongue cleave to the roof of my mouth."

Prov 18:6

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