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MUST HEAR: From Babylon to Jerusalem by Zac Poonen (series)

sermonindex Apr 27, 2009

Saints,

The following verse-by-verse studies by Zac Poonen are a study (in that order) of the movement of God's people from Babylon (symbolizing the counterfeit church) to Jerusalem (symbolizing the true church). This series is of utmost importance in these last days. Oh for a Church that is overcoming, is pure, is strong in faith. Share these messages with others saints. To download the messages right click on the titles and choose 'save target as').


Daniel - One man takes a stand. The call to overcome.

Daniel - Part 1
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=14770

Daniel - Part 2
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=14771

Daniel - Part 3
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=14772

Daniel - Part 4
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=14773

Daniel - Part 5
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=14774

Daniel - Part 6
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=14775

Daniel - Part 7
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=14776

Daniel - Part 8
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=14777


Ezra - Building the Church. The foundation and the superstructure.

Ezra - Part 1
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=14778

Ezra - Part 2
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=14779

Ezra - Part 3
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=14780

Ezra - Part 4
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=14781


Haggai - The ministry of Prophecy: Rebuke & encouragement

Haggai - Part 1
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=14788


Zechariah - Repent! Learn from the judgment of previous generations.

Zechariah - Part 1
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=14789

Zechariah - Part 2
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=14790

Zechariah - Part 3
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=14791

Zechariah - Part 4
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=14792

Zechariah - Part 5
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=14793

Zechariah - Part 6
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=14794


Nehemiah - Rebuilding the walls of separation

Nehemiah - Part 1
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=14782

Nehemiah - Part 2
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=14783

Nehemiah - Part 3
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=14784

Nehemiah - Part 4
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=14785

Nehemiah - Part 5
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=14786

Nehemiah - Part 6
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=14787

Malachi - A form of godliness, without the power

Malachi - Part 1
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=14795

Malachi - Part 2
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=14796

Malachi - Part 3
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=14797

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enid Apr 27, 2009


May I ask, who is the series by? Thanks.

sermonindex Apr 27, 2009

May I ask, who is the series by? Thanks.

Zac Poonen. I have added his name to this sorry for forgetting to do that. I personally highly recommend this series to pastors, ministry leaders and all Christians. I believe it is a very prophetic call to our generation for a pure and true Church.

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gjw1684 May 12, 2009

Thanks for posting this... I'm listening to the sermons now and this is a rather prophetic call for the true, overcoming Church of the last days.

sermonindex Jun 28, 2009

There is such a clear call in these teachings to overcome in these confusing days of Christendom.

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Pandora-B Sep 14, 2009

~ Hello,

I'm familar with instructions
about those who are of Babylon.

As some believe they are of:
- The Country 0f America
- New York City
- The Catholic Church
- The Apostate Church in General

I've discussed all these interpretations
on many forums for years.

And I'd to ask if anyone here has heard that 'Mystery Babylon' will be of
The Great City Jerusalem
during The Great Tribulation?

Thanks.

sermonindex Sep 14, 2009


Pandora-B wrote:

And I'd to ask if anyone here has heard that 'Mystery Babylon' will be of
The Great City Jerusalem
during The Great Tribulation?

Thanks.

This is Scripturally impossible - both from the O.T. prophecies and Revelation.

Six times in Revelation 18 the words "no more at all" are mentioned regarding Babylon.
The Greek for this phrase are 6 emphatic double negatives in Rev 18:14, 21, 22, 23 -

G2089
ετι et'-ee
Perhaps akin to G2094; “yet”, still (of time or degree): - after that, also, ever, (any) further, (t-) henceforth (more), hereafter, (any) longer, (any) more (-one), now, still, yet.

G3364 ου μή ou mē
oo may
That is, G3756 and G3361; a double negative strengthening the denial; not at all: - any more, at all, by any (no) means, neither, never, no (at all), in no case (wise), nor ever, not (at all, in any wise). Compare G3378.

Again, “no more at all..” ~ " Shall find them no more at all " . "Doubled-double negative with future active. As emphatic a negation as the Greek can make." {Robertsons)

+

Rev 19:3 And again they said, Alleluia. [b]And her smoke rose up for everH5331 and everH5331. [/b]

H5331, twice, makes this a double emphatic.


Jeremiah 50:39, 40 & 51:26, 62 plus more state that Babylon will burn forever and not be inhabited 'forever & ever.'


The point being - that Jesus returns to the Mt. of Olives and will rule from Jerusalem.
Just skimming Zechariah 14:1-21 will prove that Christ is coming to 'rescue' Jerusalem, not destroy her with fire forever & ever but will do so to Babylon for what she's done to Jerusalem/Zion.

Jer 51:24, 49 with many etc.s.

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Pandora-B Sep 14, 2009

~ Thanks for the reply,
and I agree.

You are right
it is not Jerusalem it's self.
For we see "The Beloved City"
"The Camp 0f The Saints"
during the 1,000 yrs. - Rev.20
Which will not be destroyed.

But Jerusalem's Babyloian-Harlotry
will be destroyed once and for all.

Because as "Daughter 0f The Chaldeans"
"O Virgin Daughter 0f Babylon"
God gave her "The Milstone"
of a Slave to serve out her Babyloian Harlotry.
Isaiah 47:2

Listen as she whispers without a Throne from her low place in the dust Who she claims as her 'Redeemer'. "The Holy One 0f Israel".
Is.47:4

Jerusalem's Milstone is of Slavery
serving as a Harlot.
But Harlotry will be thrown down into the sea.
For it's better to marry than to Burn with Lust.
"True & Righteousness are His Judgments
BECAUSE He has Judged The Great Harlot"
Rev.19:2

For the Last time God will judge her Harlotry.
As The Babylonian daughter.

For she will continue to say:
"I Will Not Sit As A Widow" - Is.47:8

"I Sit As Queen I Am No Widow." - Rev.18:7

"Sit Without A Throne" - Is.47:1

"How Lonely Sits The City (Jerusalem)
how like A Widow is she". - Lam.1:1,8

Because of God' splender she was clothed in beautifiul clothes, Jewels, with a Crown 0f Royalty. But Jerusalme trusts her beauty and plays the Harlot. - Ez.16

God will give Jerusalem
her two Harlot Sisters as Daughters.
Making Jerusalem The Mother 0f Harlots. Ez.16:55,61 - Rev.17:5

It is God Who'll put The Cup in Jerusalem's Hand.
Ez.23:31-33 - Rev.17:4

sermonindex Sep 14, 2009


Hi Pandora, I'm afraid you've mixed "two whores" up with each other. One repents in the end - the other 'will not' repent and is utterly destroyed forever.

We know from Hosea - by who he married and the story that comes from that union, that Israel did, is & will play the harlot, but Babylon is a totally different entity. Different "cup" as well.

None of the verses in the Revelation about Babylon can be given to Jerusalem.
Those few from Ezekiel do speak to Israel but I'm afraid that the rest are to the one and only Babylon that will be punished & remain desolate 'forever and ever' for what it has done [i]to[/i] Zion.

[u]The days of Jacob's troubles will come[/u] - but The Lord has never called Israel nor Jerusalem "Babylon - the Mother of Harlots" - nor "that City" of John's Revelation.

Not to debate, just for the sake of debate, but we must be very careful with our 'pronouncements' upon Jerusalem.
Presently, it is still in the hands of the UNgodly, but we must never confuse or mix Scriptures to pour more on her then His Word clearly states lest we pronounce a curse ourselves upon her that GOD has never spoken toward her.

Thank you for your consideration.


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Pandora-B Sep 14, 2009

~ How should it be considered that
in The Great Tribulation
Jerusalem will be spiritually called
Sodam & Egypt? - Rev.11:8

God said, it was Him Who
gave Jerusalem A Crown. - Ez.16:12

The Woman John saw go into The Wilderness
is The Woman John went into The Wilderness
after 3.5 yrs to see The Judgment 0f.
Rev.12:6,14 Rev.17:3

Jerusalem is the only Land Mass on earth
which God said He entered into
a Covenant with by His Own Oath. - Ez.16:8

Although God gave Israel A Certificate 0f Divorce
to put her away from Him. - Jer.3:8
He is still married to her. - Jer.3:14

And to Jerusalem The Land Mass
0f His Covenant
He says she will know the Abomination
of her Harlotry - Ez.16:1

God said that Jerusalem
along w/her Daughters Samaria & Sodam
will return to their Former State. - Ez.16:55

After all God said
Jerusalem's navel cord was never cut.
Ez.16:4,9-15

God said He will Judge Jerusalem
as of women who break wedlock
0r Sheds Blood, Is Judged. - Ez.16:38

Jerusalem, Jerusalem,
the One who kills The Prophets
and stones those sent to her.-Mat.23:37

John saw The Woman drunk with
The Blood 0f The Saints. - Rev.17:6

Rejoice over her O heavens
and you holy Apostles & Prophets
for God has avengded you on her. Rev.18:20

For Jerusalem, God will deal with her
as she has done, who despised
The Oath by breaking The Covenant.-Ez.16:59

sermonindex Sep 14, 2009

[b]I've seen this type Scripture pulling, mixing and twisting on this topic before and I won't address it again.
To me it borders on blasphemy.
I leave you to your long held beliefs Pandora.

I pray this thread go as GOD Himself had intended.[/b]

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Pandora-B Sep 14, 2009

"Unlike Any Other Economy In The Middle East.
Israel Has Exibited
Impressive Growth Over The Years.
By Way 0f Comparison?
Israel's Per-Capta Gross Domestic Production IS:

- 14 Times Larger Than Egypt's
- 10 Times Bigger Than Jordan's
- 2.5 Times Greater Than Saudi Arbia's
Even With The Saudi's Large Oil Reserves."

[The Washington Post (2003)]


"Because 0f The Growing Population 0f Israel.
Even More Water Is Needed For Accomadations.
Dwindling Water Supply 0f Crops
Is Giving Way To Israel's
Increasing Dependence 0f Imports."

[Israel News (2009)]

"And the merchants of the earth
will weep and mourn over her for
no one buys their merchantdise anymore."

[Rev.18:11]

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Pandora-B Sep 15, 2009

~ Sea 0f Peoples ~

"..a beast
Rising out of The Sea.." - Rev.13:1

- Looking at the globe
to the different bodies of Waters
which are over in The Middle East.
In and around Jerusalem Israel,
Muslim Nations and Others?

It's easy to see why
The Prince 0f Tyre would say:
"I am a god, I sit in the seat of gods
in The Midst 0f The Seas" - Ez.28:2

- The Black Sea Is Above Turkey
(Pergamos-Turkey
Throne 0f Satan-Rev.2:12,13)

- The Mediterranean Sea Is At
The Bottom Side 0f Turkey.

- The Mediterranean Sea
Is Above Libia
and Egypt
and At The Side 0f Syria,
Jordan and Israel.

- The Aegean Sea
Is At The Upper Side 0f Turkey
Between Greece and Turkey.

- The Dead Sea Is Between Jordan
and Israel.

- The Red Sea
Is At The Side 0f Egypt,
and Sudan,
and Saudi Arabia
and Yemen.

- The Indian Ocean
Is At The Bottom 0f Yemen,
Omen and Somalia.

- The Gulf 0f Omen
Is At The Side 0f Omen,
and Kuwait
and The Other Side 0f Saudi Arabia
and The Side 0f Pakistan
and The Side 0f Iran
and At The Bottom 0f Iraq.

- The Caspian Sea
Is At The Top 0f Iran
and The Side 0f Turkmenistan.

~ As So, Why Would Jerusalem Israel
Be The Greatest City Among
All These Nations 0f The Seas?

Because God told about a
Virgin Daughter 0f Babylon.
She claims her Redeemer Is
The Holy One 0f Israel. - Is.47:4
God Said No Longer Will She Be Called
"The Lady 0f Kingdoms" - Is.47:1,5

Jerusalem whom He Crowned.
Jerusalem which Succeeded To Royalty.
Ez.16:12,13

"The Waters which you saw
Where The (City) Woman Sits Are Peoples,
Multitudes, Nations and Tongues."
Rev.17:15

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Pandora-B Sep 17, 2009

~ Amorites is synonymous
for Canaanites. - Gen.10:16

"Abram is an Amorite name".

"Hittites were included among the peoples dwelling from the river of Egypt to the river Euphrates. The Region Promised To Abraham."

Abram coming from Ur of The Chaldeans.
Before the Chaldeans dominated Babylonia.
"The term Chaldean became symonymous
with the term Babyloian."

"Chaldea,
[the fact that astrology and magic flourished in Chaldea having to do astrology and cult lore.']

"The Chaldeans are first mentioned
in secular literature in the annals of
The Assyrian King Ashurnasirpal II
reigning from 884/883 to 885 B.C."

"Earlier Documents refer to
the same area as THE SEA LANDS"

"Hittites also occupied the Land of Canaan while the Israelites were in Egypt. They were among the people who had to be driven out when Israel conquered Canaan under Joshua."

Jerusalem's birth & nativity
are FROM the Land of Cannan.
Jerusalem's father was an Amorite.
Jerusalem's mother a Hittite.
Ez.16:4

"Shortly before 2000 B.C. The Amorite
lived in what is known today as
western Saudi Arabia and southern Syria.
Beginning at 2000 B.C. they migrated
eastward to Babylonia in large numbers."

In Isaiah 47
O (Daughter) 0f Babylon
is also The (Daughter) of The Chaldeans.

Whom was told to pass through The Rivers.

God being angry with His people
and profaned His Inheritance.

She'll no longer be called The Lady 0f Kingdoms.

Though she'll still claims
The Holy One 0f Israel as her Redeemer.
Saying she will not sit as A Widow
nor see the loss of children.

But in a moment of one day she'll see both.
For multitude of sorceries, and the great abundance of her enchantments. -


P
Pandora-B Sep 18, 2009

~ Two Different Groups 0f Kings ~

In One Hour her Judgment will come. - Rev.18:10

This is the job of the 10 'One Hour As Kings' with the beast who hate the (Harlot).
It is these who will make her desolate-Rev.17:12,16

The "Kings 0f The Earth" are The Harlot's Lovers. They live with her in Luxury. They will weep and lament for her. - Rev.17:2 - 18:9

sermonindex Sep 18, 2009

I would ask that comments on this thread be only towards the zac poonen materials, and testimonies towards listening to specific sermons and how they blessed you.

thank you.

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Pandora-B Sep 19, 2009

~ Okay that would be interesting.

I'd like to hear about it myself.

How about you start it Greg?
Thanks.

sermonindex Dec 29, 2009

I notice Pandora, that you've opened a Pandora's Box here. I find your posts confusing, sister.

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mackaymarsh Dec 29, 2009

This series has been a blessing to so many, including me. I am concerned that these diversions posted here only hinder the saints who would be truly blessed by this series given by Brother Poonen.

To all the saints who have not listened to this series, I implore you to take the time to do so. PLEASE do not be lead astray by these distractions by one person. They confuse needlessly. The series is long but, I assure you, you will be blessed.

Wayne

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Pandora-B Jan 4, 2010

~ Please Wayne, comment here how this series
has been a blessing to you and so many others?

And where is the link that I may hear too?

Thanks -

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