PEOPLE DIE AFTER BEING “HEALED” IN THE LAKELAND OUTPOURING

After all the debate on this forum concerning Todd Bentley, the truth now is finally revealed once and for all.

This article originated from the Fundamental Baptist Information Service.

Krispy

[b]PEOPLE DIE AFTER BEING “HEALED” IN THE LAKELAND OUTPOURING[/b]
(Friday Church News Notes, May 15, 2009)

An investigation by World magazine has discovered that at least two of the people “healed” during Todd Bentley’s healing crusade in Lakeland, Florida, have died of their diseases.

Following is an excerpt: [i]“Christopher Fogle, of Cedar Rapids, Iowa, loved to fish. It was a break from his fast-paced, 25-year career with the Perkins Restaurant chain. But when Fogle got severe cancer, his relaxing fishing trips, which he sometimes took with his children, ended. It was a devastating blow for the active 45-year-old. But for Todd Bentley, television preacher and self-proclaimed healer, the cancer represented an opportunity to ‘proclaim the glory of God.'

At the height of what many called a revival, WORLD asked Bentley to talk about the healings, like Fogle’s, and asked for a list of people who had been healed at the services. His associates told me Bentley was out of the country and a list could not be produced.

But six weeks and more than a dozen requests later, the ministry eventually sent a list of 13 names. Fogle was No. 12 on the list, along with this note: ‘Healed through the Outpouring and is back to fishing.’

That was on Aug. 8, 2008. There was just one problem. Two weeks earlier, on July 22, Christopher A. Fogle--according to his obituary in the Keokuk (Iowa) Daily Gate City, ‘left this life . . . after a courageous battle with cancer.’

A review of the list nearly one year later reveals that Fogle is not the only person ‘healed’ who is now dead. When I called Phyllis Mills, of Trinity, N.C., on April 22, to hear the testimony of her healing, a polite family member said, ‘Phyllis passed away a few days ago. In fact, we’re on our way to her funeral now.’

Mills, 66 at the time of her death, had lung cancer and was undergoing aggressive treatments when she was, according to the list, ‘healed at the revival.’ Mills ‘was taking radiation, but was sent home,’ according to notes on Bentley’s list, with ‘no trace of cancer in her body’” (“Heal or Heel,” World, May 23, 2009).[/i]

The Bentley crusade ended in scandal in August 2008 after Bentley announced that he was separating from his wife. In November 2008, Bentley’s Fresh Fire ministry said that he was guilty of adultery with a “former employee,” and on March 9, 2009, Rick Joyner announced that Bentley had married the same employee.

My friends, God has given us clear instructions in Scripture about healing, and James 5 does not describe a raucous “healing crusade.” We believe in divine healing for today through prayer, but we don’t believe in Pentecostal showmen who pretend to apostolic healing gifts that they clearly do not possess.

Rick Joyner and Bill Johnson are reportedly working with Bentley to 'restore' him (because they evidently have this power an authority) back into the false fray. I'm not suprised by this, almost immediately after the Lakeland incident Bill Johnson began putting Humpdy Dumpdy back together again to save face for supporting him to begin with. He said (paraphrasing) "if we throw this poor man out we will get a lot of applause from many but we will also be fueling the 'religious spirit'".

Translation- if you don't accept this false prophet back, your spirit is religious and not of Christ. (note that the religious spirit is not someone looking for signs, wonders, tall extra-biblical tales of heavenly experiences, and divine 'Bams!', but those who won't accept wolves back into the fold.)

This wasn't just about immorality. As a matter of fact his affair just substantiated the same character that deceived, lied, and manipulated blind sheep into giving him a lot of money while giving false hope to those who were desperate for healing.

The wayward church will continue to be tone deaf to the true prophets of today who challenge us to abide in Christ as a transforming and regenerate work in our personal character. To be in His likeness. And to do the work that glorifies Him and not the man/woman.

Any true leader who falls into serious sin needs to repent and humble themselves then accept a seat in the back of the line. Watch out for those who restore fallen so-called leadership quickly, they are most likely just rebuilding for another day of deception.

[b]ccrider[/b]... Amen brother!

I did not know that they were planning to restore him. Unbelievable. These people like Joyner and others are out of control.

This whole thing about the religious spirit reminds me of what they always say about the Berean-type Christians who examine their doctrines... they say "touch not the Lord's annointed!"

Well, if they were truly the Lord's annointed I wouldn't touch them!

Krispy

PS... they have to restore him because if they dont it will proove (once again!) that Bob Jones is a false hillbilly prophet.

May I say several things and I pray my words be "salt".

First, I had heard several Todd Bentley CD's YEARS before Lakeland, listened to about 5 minutes, and it just didnt speak in to my heart and spirit, so I put it in the dustbin without rancor, it just didnt build me up, and as you know we all work out our own salvation with fear and trembling, so it was in the dustbin. end of that story.

Then came "Lakeland", and I felt that it was not of the Lord, but very mindful of Paul's "whatever is" exhortation in
Philippians 4:8-9(ESV) I didnt say anything, God the Holy Ghost will reveal all.

But this I say, IN SPITE of Todd, there were souls saved, or restored, At lakeland and my pray is that they recognize Todd for what he was, a broken soul "playing" with the Deep Things of God. An "Uzziah" trying to "steady the Ark", and is lucky that God didnt do to him what He did to Uzziah....and I do pray that he be restored for service to the Lord, and not the vanity of his imaginations.

But I want to say this, deserved at it may be, Todd's off base ministry being brought to the Light, and exposed for what it was, and the ensuing scorn heaped upon him, and the inevitable downfall of Bentley, I noticed that very little on this forum was ever said about God exposing Ted Haggard, pastor of a mega-congregation, head of the NAE(!)the National Association of Evangelicals, and one of the most outspoken critics of homosexual marriage, a lead "warrior" of "value voters" in this phony fleshly political struggle called the "culture war", being exposed, BY GOD, as being a male whore-mongering homosexual and crystal meth addict, all the while standing up in front of thousands of followers of Jesus every week, "preaching" the Gospel.

why is that? Todd bentley in his vainglorious foolishness was just a silly momentary 21st century version of a backslidden tent preacher, while Ted Haggard "pastored" thousands, and led a parachurch organization with tens of millions of saints, and brought untold reproach upon the New Testament congregations throughout the land, but in the Grace of God, elders within the Body have attempted to bring him into restoration, and how is this "restoration" going? and what effect has his soul rending fall had on the witness WE ALL labour so hard to those who do not know Christ? Think of how many this sordid episode stumbled and/or drove away from Christ, with the words, "They're all hypocrites!"

I'm going to post up some video's, of Haggard and his words, who made these video's? I would have to say "stumbled ones",

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOpMsuz_uK4]Ted Haggard on "sex"--his own words[/url]

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGx11vZ_7uY&feature=related]Ted Haggard on Larry King[/url]

(a sympathetic Larry King, but notice how Ted doesnt seem repentant or contrite...I said "seem", as I cannot see into a man's heart)

here's a link to the HBO documentary. "The Trials of Ted Haggard"

[url=http://www.hbo.com/events/trialsoftedhaggard/index.html]The Trials of Ted Haggard[/url]

that's enough video links. Now if you've watched them, the Love of Christ will move on your heart to prayer for this man's restoration IN Christ, yes? I do.

Therefore I pose this question, in the same way we would pray for Ted's restoration with the Help of the Holy Ghost in love and truth, do you not think that Todd bentley deserves the same.....or..

taking this line even further, praying in that same broken-heartness for all homosexual people, or for all who are being strangled by the devil in their terrible addiction to meth.

Christ compels us, His love compels us to pray, in love, for Ted, Todd, and millions of others, so laden with sin, and the death that comes from not knowing God thru Jesus.

we can't pray and love as such in our flesh, we despise such as these, but thats why the Holy Ghost is refered to as the Comforter. He is the One Who burnishes our hearts with sweet love, to pour ourselves out in prayer....not in pointing fingers, love expressed thru prayer. I believe God, He is merciful and loving, lets try and walk like Him

A sure sign of a carnal Christian is one who presumes to know the intention of their brother.

I don't think anyone here has said that what happened to Bentley is 'what he deserved' in a punitive fashion. No one worth their salt glories in the fall of another or wants to see anyone wrapped up in falseness,confusion, and a break up of a family. But let me just say that the facts speak for themselves with desperate souls going for healing only to be taken to their grave in the hope that a faith healer claimed these gifts. The facts are that this man had extra-biblical doctrine and was espousing it to thousands of sheep.

And you are right, God is more interested in restoring the character instead of the ministry.... which is why people shouldn't claim the ability to restore anyone back to ministry. Restoration with God is first and foremost, restoration to leadership is a whole different thing... and God warns us about it. The problem is that those who have fallen want to resume leadership right away like the pastor at my former church after hiding major sin for almost a decade. They act more like politicians than Godly men ashamed and broken. Look at Paul Cain. Years of 'restoration' under the instruction of biblical clinicians yet he came right out of his therapy and passed a prophetic mantle to someone who was deceiving many. I want God's sovereign and merciful redemption to reign supreme for these men in the end but I won't hide the damage they presently do or sanction ministries that make false claims and develop extra-biblical doctrine. The same man who is 'restoring' Todd Bentley reportedly states that there is an eighth church in Revelation. Do you believe this doctrine? If not, then is this fruit?

"A spiritual Christian will always seek the restoration of a fallen brother." Abide in Him

This is exactly the presumption that these false prophets play on. There's a difference between a minister who falls into sin and one who operates a deceptive ministry outside of God's word. One's a brother, the other is a wolf pretending to be a brother. Unless we know the difference we cannot foretell and warn of the likes of this man... which was done on this thread a year ago. Someone who took heed to from this forum that extra-biblical doctrine 'IS NOT FRUIT' may have spared themselves, and their families, the false hope of healing.

"The gifts and calling of God are without repentance. A minister that has the gifts operating can be living in sin and the gifts will still operate in his ministry. However there will not be pure flow. Jesus said that you will know them by their fruit, not by their gifts. The gifts can be both counterfeited and imitated." Abide in Him

Where does it stipulate in the Bible the difference in 'pure flow' from 'mixed flow' of gifts if someone who is a minister of Christ is in sin? The gifts are by God, for God. The devil counterfeits, otherwise it's not counterfeit. Many ministers were claiming that the Lakeland ministry was a mixture of pure flow and counterfeit. No such thing. Either it has the foundation of God to see it through for His glory or it does not. You do not see any 'mixture' or an absence of 'pure flow' in the Apostles after Pentecost when it came to their gifts or their fruit. They may have made some bad judgements but they were not claiming something they didn't have nor promising something that could not be delivered.

If gifts are counterfeited and imitated then they are not of God which says something about the minister's character. Gifts may not be fruit but false claims of gifts and false extra-biblical tales of being gutted on a table in heaven by angels that are told to woo unsuspectiong crowds lacks fruit. Deceivers will lack fruit, this has proven to be true and was true in this case. That has nothing to do with anyone getting what they deserved... it is what it is and history will repeat itself in the church if no notice is given.

Paul Washer was also right in saying that people can be saved DESPITE the false ministering because God is sovereign. I thank God for His mercy for that... that He can pluck someone straight out of a bad situation because they are seeking Him.

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edit>>>> All this being said, I regret and apologize for the Humpdy Dumpdy analogy. I can see how that can be taken as crass. I was simply trying to imply that there's an effort by many to restore their own reputation by restoring Bentley and his ministry. I've tracked many of these people (ie Rick Joyner, Paul Cain, and others) and have read their books given to me by a family member when I was a new Christian. God has shown me in no uncertain terms through the past several years that these type of ministries are false. The Holy Spirit is not our personal treasure chest nor a comedian who makes us laugh uncontrollably as I have witnessed many times watching these events on video. I believe the Pentecost accusation of drunkenness had to do with speaking in other tongues which seemed like weird, slurred speech to those who witnessed. There was nothing in the Bible about uncontrollable laughter and unfulfilled promises of healing. I come off as cold and crass in my frustration but I take these so called 'outpourings' and these various prophetic ministries very seriously.

There were some good things that came out of Lakeland, believe it or not. It seemed to bring things to head; and to make the difference between the holy and profane obvious. Jesus said, "Do not think that I came to bring Peace to the Earth, No, but rather DIVISION!"

The bible says that the HARVEST is the end of the Age, and fundamentally a harvest of Wheat and Tares. The tares are being harvested in this period also; the poison counterfeit plant.... the wheat to the "BARN", and the tares to the "FIRE."

Everyone there who endorsed him, and coronated him...[ .. to lead the Great End Time Revival until Jesus comes..], and layed hands and prayed for him, are just as culpable as Todd. They identified themselves as liars, and a people of no discernment at best. They received his most corrupt doctrines of mystic transcendentalism, along with their manifestation of lying power...all the fairies and imps and angels that Bentley frequently called upon and testified of.

It was the most controversial display of new age mysticism ever in the modern church, on a wholesale level. Hundreds of thousands visited Lakeland, and millions viewed it live on the internet. God surely allowed it, and the wonderful thing now, is that the smoke is clearing up, and we can more clearly SEE the EVIL in it, and it's supporters.

No one, who possesses the indwelling Holy Spirit of God, and had an inkling of a grounding in the Word of God, could stand this travesty. It was nauseating to them. LIES, LIES, LIES! ...and now, as the lying fruit becomes obvious...that there were NO HEALINGS!....that there were NO RESURRECTIONS from the DEAD!...it is clear who is profane, and the authors of these lies.

Everyone of those who have, and continue to endorse and support this adulterous , thieving liar are marked. They are shamed, except in their own circles, and I rejoice. This is a good thing. It just the back side of the sickle that throws the tares to the left.

"One of the things that came to mind about this is not only if people would want others to get what they deserve, but would want to administer it themselves. Or would even want to go beyond that, like a man that would continue to kick and to beat and to bash a man to death that is fallen before him." ChrisJD

Talk about kicking and bashing someone when they are down, how about taking a terminally ill brother and promising healing. Who wants to go tell their family and children that it just wasn't meant to be even though the prophet said so as thousands witnessed. This is why faith is jaded, this is why Christ cannot be glorified, this is why 'a word from the Lord' can be accepted as a word even if the Bible says nothing to that effect.

Who gets what they deserve isn't the issue, we all deserve hell. But not all of us preach a false Gospel, not all of us make promises in vain in the name of Jesus and deceive with tall boastings. Their is a difference between simply being a sinner and deceiving many. One needs Christ and knows it, the other uses Christ and proves his shame. The last days will be full of these just as the Bible states. We are told if someone preaches a Gospel other than the Gospel we have that we put up with it easy enough. Was Paul kicking and bashing?

2 Corinthians 11:4-10 (New International Version)
4For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough. 5But I do not think I am in the least inferior to those "super-apostles." 6I may not be a trained speaker, but I do have knowledge. We have made this perfectly clear to you in every way.

Discern for yourselves if one is speaking a different Jesus or Gospel that is outside of what is in Scripture, but don't accuse those who take issue with a false movement as bashing a poor brother who misled others and their families into thinking they were healed as an offering plate was being circulated in the meantime. These are the historical facts of Lakeland and it wasn't hindsight that many on this forum saw it for what it was and warned accordingly before the fallout.

Lakeland was the testing field for the "lying signs and wonders" to come.

The man kneed people in their stomachs and performed many things that were demonically supernatural not only in Lakeland but in other "shows" - throwing light balls and calling them "angels".

This was a case of full-blown demon possession in action.

Jesus warned us of these false prophets with lying signs and wonders.

Ananais and Saphira lied to the Holy Spirit and the man that Paul blinded by the Spirit did 10,000 times less than this man has - yet we find the mild posts on this thread too harsh - speaking of the demon possessed defiling for filthy lucre thousands of ignorant 'christians'?

GOD help us when there are these type in the majority if we can't discern this one.

ChrisJD, I may have misunderstood your post but not so much the one I responded to originally which suggested that we are bashing or kicking a false prophet while he's down and implying that we would want them to get what they 'deserve' in a punitive fashion. You expounded on that by talking of going beyond it. If I didn't quite get your response I apologize and any clarification is welcome.

I am in total concurrence with you all regarding Todd Bentley, total and absolute, and God in His Mercy has exposed him.

Will he be contrite enough to confess, repent and make restitution? Only God knows. Has he sought Godly counseling? I don't know, I would like to see him restored as a [b]Blood bought follower of Christ[/b], and no, it would not be appropriate for him to serve in any kind of God honoring ministry, but I beg the question, why confine the vehemence and outrage over Bentley's 'snake oil' tent ministry, and nary a peep about the President of the [b]National Association of Evangelicals[/b] Ted Haggard being exposed as a lying deceptive homosexual whore-mongering meth snorting sex fiend, who broke with the restorative process, and even to this day, has a website that solicits donations for a 501 non for profit that helps the "poor and needy".

To me, that whole affair smacks of the devil and demons, and rebellion, I believe that Ted Haggard doesnt get the scorn, because while Bentley LOOKED like a freak, weird tatoo's, weird earings, all that grabage, Ted Haggard's out ward appearance was of the normal "pastor", neat haircut, suit, tie, etc, and he talked the talk, said all the right things, "voted" the right way, all the while engaging in such a hideous hypocritical deception.

anyone with any sense of Biblical discernment could "smell", sense that something was way off the rails about bentley, but Ted Haggard was very very slick, and therefore did much greater harm to the Church, the Body of Christ in America, not to mention the saints at New Life in Colorado Springs.

and it also came out, ex post facto, that Haggard had more than one homosexual affair, another one that New Life reportedly paid 179,000 to a young male congregant to cover counseling and college tuition:

On January 23, 2009, officials from Haggard's former church announced that a young male church member had come forward in 2006 and that there was an "overwhelming pool of evidence [of an] inappropriate, consensual sexual relationship [that] went on for a long period of time [with Haggard] ... it wasn't a one-time act."[76] Haggard's successor, Brady Boyd, said the church reached a six figure settlement with the man, who was in his early 20s at the time.[78] According to the man, he said the contact was "not consensual" and this is not about "opening new wounds" it's about a much larger issue.[78] The man, Grant Hass, added that New Life Church paid him $179,000 to cover his counseling to help recover from the situation, and pay college tuition. [79] Haggard admitted to the second relationship with Hass on CNN and other media, and when asked if he had had additional gay relationships that have been unreported, Haggard would not provide a direct answer

Now don't mistake me, I am not slamming Haggard, God have mercy on that man, but go to these two next entries and you tell me, if there is anything resembling contrition, repentance in this man:

the first is an article from Denver News, the second is Haggard's current WEBSITE!!! Is he just a carnal fleshling who has NO Fear of God?...or is he plain outright demon possessed? the utter gall and rebellion of the man! May God keep my heart pure.

[url=http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/15228215/detail.html]Church says Haggard's 'restoration' incomplete[/url]

[url=http://tedhaggard.com/index.htm]Ted Haggard Dot Com[/url]

so what is it brethern? Which is worse?

or is that the wrong question? or Are both of these stenches equally deserving of reproach?

It just seems to me, that one has been ignored by a segment of the Body, while another has attracted all sorts of (well-deserved) scorn.

Let me finish with this, I've been blessed, in my walk with Christ, with a Godly, dear hearted mentor, who over time has become as close as an older brother, and my best friend. I cannot thank and praise God enough for sending such a brother into my life, and I know the feeling is mutual. Early in my walk, due to the nature of my job, I was frequently free (like a pastor) during the day to attend to ministry, meaning that my brother (my pastor) would take me to the duties of visiting elderly congregants, shut-in's, and take me on hospital visits, presbyter breakfasts and prayer meetings, etc etc.

Of course, i would be silent, I would just provide prayer covering both for him, and those who were elderly, and/or dying, or sick....and I remember one hospital visit to a dear old man at death's door, skeletal, skin like parchment, eyes closed, and my mentor took this man's hand in his, and I gently put my hand on top of pastors hand, and pastor started to pray healing over this dear man, and then pastor started to speak of Jesus, gently, low, told this man about the need to accept Jesus as Saviour and Lord, and then asked this man, "are you prepared to ask Jesus into you heart and your life?" at that moment this man opened his eyes, weak, looked into pastor's eyes, and almost imperceptively nodded. I was there, I saw it, and I looked over at his vital signs on the monitor, and you could see, at that moment his heartbeat quickening. We all were silent, hands on hands, this went on for about two three minutes, it was a moment I'll never forget. Pastor looked at me, nodded, and we left silently, wrapped in prayer.

Later, while having lunch at Denny's , pastor got a call from the mans daughter, he had crossed the Jordan, he died, and I said to my brother, "I learned something today, we pray for healing, at the altar, in a hospital room, and sometimes in the Will of God, death is healing, because when you walk with Jesus, and you slip this tent of flesh, the Heavenly Jerusalem awaits, and once you have this Divine Merciful assurance, death of body has no hold of fear over you ever again. You have slipped the bonds and bondage of death, into a glorious eternal reality inherent in Christ Jesus".

God is Merciful, may we be the same.

neil

ChrisJD, Understood. Thank you. I don't want to come off as wanting anything that would give the impression that love is lacking even for those who are apartied to these kinds of ministries. Behind my passion to give perspective on these matters is a good intention and a wanting for the God's mercy and redemptive intervention. Sometimes it seems necessary to invoke that passion to drive the point if it's an important topic for me personally... which it is. But sometimes the manner of the response can be counter-productive which is also important.

Had God not shown me the damage done with many of these outpourings and enlightened me to the willingness of some to accept practically anything many leaders proclaim outside of the Bible, my passion on this matter would be muted. My intention is not to keep throwing stones but to keep some of the known damage done at the forefront lest we forget and let our guard down in the future. I've had personal dealings with local ministries in faith healing and was brought out of a false doctrinal theology as a young christian by God's grace. I believe in the gifts of the Spirit but what drives my perpective are the intentions of those who claim certain gifts only to leave a trail of people with jaded faith wondering what might be wrong with them and their faith or lack thereof. Witnessing these things has been troubling to me.

Mat 24:2425 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before.

2Co 11:13-15 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

I believe we've all been together long enough to form true Godly affection for one another - my question is - why would we come harder against one another here at times than we do these "angel of light ministers"?

The reason is our lack of an understanding of GOD.

HE is unfathomably HOLY - HE is jealously TRUTH and HE is Perfect LOVE; all Three Personified in One Divine Nature.

We mistakenly seperate HIS Characteristics or put more emphasis on one Characteristic over another. One day stressing Holiness, but lacking in Love - One day stressing Love but lacking that jealousy over His Truth.

We could not stand up in the Presence of HIS Holiness - our minds could never grasp the intensity of all that makes Him The Truth and our bodies could not hold up under the fullness of His Love, yet all three are never seperated in HIM. HE consistantly acts and 'thinks' out of the perfect union of the three Equally and always.

If we have had even a small glimpse of HIM in all of His Holiness, Truth and Love and knew that HE never acts outside of, nor within one but not the other two always, our discernment or judgments would be as HIS in these things.

Rom 12:1-2 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

We wouldn't put Love before Truth - nor Holiness above Love nor any other combination of the splitting of HIS Divine Nature.

We need this glimpse of GOD in His Entirety before the hoards of hell are loosed upon this earth and discernment will be needed more than ever.

We can only discern when we've had that genuine glimpse the Genuine. Until we 'know Him'. Until we've had the full revelation of Who GOD Is. Until we've 'seen' HIM spiritually.

Never do we ever want to divide up HIS Holiness from HIM being The Truth and that HE is Love. We need to see them all working equally at once. Always, from the GOD Who is Holy - Who is Truth and Who is Love, all at the same time.

We need a True Revelation - a 'seeing' The GODHEAD, so that like Paul, our jealousy over His Character would remain, above human thinking or emotional feelings.

The days of following HIM by 'emotions' - 'intellect' - mystical feelings or just by parroting other's writings are over.

We need to be fully filled with the revelation of His meaning of "In Spirit and In Truth" - "In Truth and Love" - "our GOD is a Holy GOD - HE IS THE Truth - HE Is Love" - never working in one attribute without the other two active - ever.

Even His Holy judgments are based on His Love of His Truth.

We'll never know this equality of attributes or this constant Balance without a true Revelation of GOD.
GOD help us to See You - to seek You until we do have an Isaiah type 'seeing' of You in Your Fulness by revelation of Your Word and by seeking You with all our hearts for this True Revelation of Your Divine Nature, Amen.

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"We could not stand up in the Presence of HIS Holiness - our minds could never grasp the intensity of all that makes Him The Truth and our bodies could not hold up under the fullness of His Love, yet all three are never seperated in HIM. HE consistantly acts and 'thinks' out of the perfect union of the three Equally and always.

If we have had even a small glimpse of HIM in all of His Holiness, Truth and Love and knew that HE never acts outside of, nor within one but not the other two always, our discernment or judgments would be as HIS in these things."

Amen Jesus-is God. Just one single moment in the presence of Almighty God, just a moment and all nonsence would be swept away. We must be " witnesses to power," or we are no witnesses at all. When we share the Gospel, it must be a first hand account. When it is a first hand account, there is power. Simply repeating a story that you heard and that you give mental assent to, carries no power............Frank