George Tiller Murdered

Very sad....

"WICHITA, Kan. (May 31) - Dr. George Tiller, who remained one of the nation's few providers of late-term abortions through decades of protests and attacks, was shot and killed Sunday in a church where he was serving as an usher and his wife was in the choir.

The gunman fled, but a 51-year-old suspect was arrested some 170 miles away in suburban Kansas City three hours after the shooting, Wichita Deputy Police Chief Tom Stolz said."

For the whole story click [url=http://news.aol.com/article/abortion-doctor-killed/505406?icid=main]here[/url].

Pray that his family gets saved.
Do we feel it ironic that an abortin doctor was serving in a church? Can you imagine him standing before the Lord and saying but Lord, I attended church and was an usher, you have to let me in.
This statement is so shocking from the news

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The slaying of the 67-year-old doctor is "an unspeakable tragedy," his widow, four children and 10 grandchildren said in statement issued by Monnat. "This is particularly heart-wrenching because George was shot down in his house of worship, a place of peace."
The family said its loss "is also a loss for the city of Wichita and women across America. George dedicated his life to providing women with high-quality health care despite frequent threats and violence." End Quote:
Arent children supposed to be in a safe place of peace before they get a visit from this Doctor? who provides women with high quality health care.
The babies I guess aren't deserving of health care.
We are truly in the last days when we say right is wrong and wrong is right.
We have no righteousness to reflect their corruption, even in a church that carries the name of Christ....
I'm sorrowful because this man had to die without Jesus Christ as his savior, is our preaching so bad anymore and the lack of power in our churches got to the level that we no longer feel the prick in our hearts, the conviction of sin. He never was brought to the place in his life to feel he needed to confess and repent of his iniquities, and people who name the name of Christ just shake his hand and say we love you but never warn him of the pit he is about to fall into. Ezekiel 3.
How can a church full of people who claim to know the Lord not warn this man he is about to go to hell?
I honestly believe the Lord is waiting for HIS people to pray like they have never prayed before./
I am talking of myself.
God please empower us to witness, and to be vehicles of your presence to convict the world with your word, to bring men to repentance.

I agree - this is a tragedy. But is this more so then the one he was perpetrating? I can not and will not justify the murderer, but Tiller had killed a whole lot more people then this guy... Both terribly sad.

How can a church full of people who claim to know the Lord not warn this man he is about to go to hell?

It happens when this body of people no longer follow the LORD but are merely a social club. I am also told of an abortionist in Tuscaloosa, AL who is well loved by his community and church...Hey! These fellows know how to play the PR game: they are experts and the Enemy assists them. But take heart, there are former abortionists who have repented and they do help to restore ones faith that these folks are not beyond redeeming by the Holy Spirit.

Yes, when I read this about Tiller, I was saddened...

ginnyrose

The Church and preachers are very responsible for the abortion killings in America and Canada.

Where are the preachers of righteousness to preach against this wickedness which has killed tens of millions in our land?

For one, churches that are 501c3 (tax receipt issuing "businesses" of the state or province) are linked up arm and arm with the government and are their hirelings and are scared to speak against sins of abortion, homosexuality, etc.

http://www.rickyearle.org/2009/05/legally-aborted-in-canada-at-27-weeks.html

A few weeks ago we felt a chill in the air as we read a government report profiling right-wing pro-lifers as potential terrorist candidates. Some of us expressed feelings of betrayal and injury by what seemed unfair characterizations. We even wondered if we were beginning to see the early signs of state intolerance towards conservative Christians.

This murder of Dr. Tiller is a justification of the concerns of that government report.

Now what we need to do in this situation is not 'denounce' murder in the abstract, while at the same time consoling ourselves in this one case by calling attention to Tillers abortion record. We cannot express any empathy, supply any rationale, or derive any benefit from some angry man who thought he could be John Brown, walk into a church with a gun, and play the hand of God.

Because many in the public will wrongly link this man's cause to the Gospel, we cannot be ambivalent whatsoever in our hatred for his lawless violence. It is violence not only towards a man, but also towards the scriptures which say without equivocation that murder is a terrible sin. Our unanimous rejection of this vigilantism should be heard around the country and the world without a single qualifier or softener.

MC

Found this article interesting:

[url=http://www.visionforumministries.org/issues/life/george_tiller_is_dead_for_whom.aspx]George Tiller is Dead: For Whom Shall we Mourn?[/url]

quote from above link from tjservant:

"Tiller the Killer” is dead. Who will mourn for this man? Perhaps the bigger question is this: Who will mourn for the more than 60,000 babies that Dr. George Tiller brutally murdered in the most horrific manner imaginable over his lengthy career as America’s most notorious provider of late-term abortions?

The man who killed Tiller, is now a murderer - Yes. But I respect that he did something.
Did you read the above article? HE KILLED 60,000 children in his "career". Women from allover America flocked to this pristine city of Wichita, Kansas to kill their babies. The man who killed Tiller rescued children from being killed today in Wichita, Kansas.

What has the church done over this matter? How many tears and loud prayers have you offered before God? My response has been basically nothing, other than some rantings. This will change.

How many churches in America stood arm and arm with Obama? How many stood by idle as Bush did nothing to end the killing of children?

In Canada, alledgedly our prime minister is a Christian. Abortion flows freely, and basically without any outcry. The church and its ministers do not care.

A final question, if your next door neighbour was killing children on a regular basis in his basement, and the authorities would not enter his house (much less do anything about it) when you told them - what would you do? What would your response be?

Our unanimous rejection of this vigilantism should be heard around the country and the world without a single qualifier or softener.

It is being done, MC. I have had a lot of emails reporting the denouncing of this murder by pro-life organizations and pro-life activists.

ginnyrose

A guest speaker on Wretched Raido with Todd Friel made some good comments about the murder.

This link will only be good for today: [url=http://www.wretchedradio.com/mediaplayer.cfm]Radio[/url]

Why do pro-life organizations and pro-life activists feel like they have to denounce this murder? WHY? Why can't they just be silent.

Why doesn't someone tell the abortion clinics and murderous doctors to denounce what they do?

It seems very hypocritical to me. Do you think Jesus Christ would be apologetic? Or do you think he would be silent? (Obviously he wouldn't be murderous)

I just want to add to the thread that the article I posted a link to was not intended to refute MC's post. I simply hit the reply button on the last post.

On a personal note, I am very deeply saddened by this event. It is tragic on many many levels.

It is tragic on many many levels.

Very true.

For what it's worth, my post was a personal reaction to this thing. It may be that my comments seemed obvious to most, and even a little self-aggrandizing to some, I can only say that most of the mistakes I've made in life are the result of me abandoning my principles due to misguided loyalties.

God has authorized the use of sword to the state, not to vigilantes,...as I read Romans 13:4.

Blessings,

MC

good word ccrider, i believe abortion is an abomination, but the way most go about this in politics and in demonstrations is not the way the Lord went.

Let us follow his example and leave the judgment for God, he will do right

the kingdom of heaven will be full of children, probably more children then adults when thinking how many have died young and at birth throughout the ages.

The murderers will all be in hell.

let us fight with the right battle

repentcanada,

I understand your lament...your concern.

What has the church done? The church you are speaking of here is a mere social club that calls itself 'church'. The body of Christ does oppose it.

So what can one do when you see a body murdering, like Tiller? We have one of two options: do as this fellow did who killed Tiller, OR we can obey the law and wait for God to take control. Unfortunately, this kind of killing is legal, hence our physical limitations in interfering.

Yes, I know where you are coming from and I sympathize. I have worked with ladies who were considering abortions and I promise you, you are not battling wits but wills - a will determined to do what she wants at the expense of the life of another. And this will is empowered by the enemy of souls, known as the Devil.

Brother, we are living in an age of utter, extreme selfishness. "I do as I want"; "I want my best life NOW"; "I want this, that and if you have one, I want one, too, or I am going to take yours!"; "I deserve to be happy" (ever hear that one?). There is no sense of selflessness, of sacrifice for another, least of all for a spouse and maybe your children. A person is to live for another, to assist him to be his best (my job as a wife). All society thinks about is "ME", "MY comfort", "My desires.."; it is so selfish and it effects theology, philosophy of life, relationships, you name it. And why is it so popular? because there is money to be made from it and people are following this pied piper and woe on you if you cry out to them!

Now I will quit my rant...

ginnyrose

also i think this age has fooled us and brainwashed us from day one through tv and schools ect to make us strive for succsess, so we can have the car, the house, and the rest, so we have to work hard, and in this strife to make it, the american dream, or the consumer dream we been fooled to belive that family is a burden, many children makes less time for me and my desires and my plans. So the easy way is to kill them before they become a burden.

of course all this is a lie annd a deception, the truth is children are a blessing and gift from God.

but since we dont want what God wants we live like we want to and we pursue what we believe is good, we need this education so we can get that job so we can pay that costly payments, and in all this we lose time to spend with our family and we burn ourself out so we have no time for God or serve in the church ect ect.

we do need to work and maybe an education also, but i am convinced we could do with far less then we have been fooled to believe we "need" to be happy.

God bless those families that will go for 7, 9, 10 , 12 children, This is a great blessing and a great wonderful thing. God help us see.

Hi everyone.

These are difficult and challenging times we are living in.

As Christians, none of us are happy when someone dies, no matter who they are(Eze 33:11) - except we believe that they have gone to be with the Lord(Ps 116:15). And we certainly would not want to take the law into our own hands at all.

With the way things can be portrayed and scrutinised with the media and mass information, it can seem like it is very easy for the worst things to be portrayed about us as Christians today. And then those things that we would want others to know about us, to be overlooked, or never heard of. And part of a measure of suffering for us in this world may be that our own love and sacrifice may not be easily noticed or recogised by others.

May we be able to help and encourage each other daily in the days ahead to persevere in true love and goodness(Heb 10:24).

A few days ago, a very young girl was attacked here in the city and the attack was appearantly very brutal. A description was given of the man and by the evening rush hour yesturday he had been apprehened.

On the bus ride home, as these things were developing, a few women sitting in the back of the bus were talking about the attack. And they were understandably upset. Very upset.

But going beyond outrage and grief over a terrible crime like that, these women as they talked were describing in brutal and graphic terms what they thought should be done to the man. The language was violent and brutal.

As the news broke that the man was apprehened, one of them began to give a description of the story as it was being told. Appearantly a mob had caught the man and severely beat him so that he was taken to the hospital. The conversation continued among the women with the same vigour as before. And for some time onward. As I caught a connecting bus a man on the next bus was talking about the same thing.

And then this morning as we were driving through the city on the job, I happened to look down and see a newspaper that someone had or was on the ground, and I saw the headline that talked about vigilante justice with a picture on the front page that in the short time I had to glance at it, looked like chaos.

This world can be so vicious and cruel. And sometimes it wants justice. Sometimes we want justice.

But when we think of the justice of God. We tremble. And we know that we need God's mercy.