Joseph Prince

Anyone who criticizes Joseph Prince has not really heard what he preaches. He preaches grace and there is only GRACE. no such thing as "humblyD" said he preaches one side of God's grace. there is no two sides. GRace is grace! if you will listen with an open heart you will find his messages bring freedom. dont criticize if you havent given time to listen and study what he preaches. every thing he preaches is from the Bible.
go to www.imeem.com/faeleia and listen to him and you will be transformed.

From his church website:

Accepting Jesus as your Lord and Saviour will not only save you from sin and hell, but also give to you health, joy, peace, love, hope, unconditional acceptance, favour, the power to get wealth, all good things you can think of and more.

[url=http://www.newcreation.org.sg/aboutus/we_believe/cross.htm]New Creation Church[/url]

LoveGodsWay2 wrote:
From his church website:

Accepting Jesus as your Lord and Saviour will not only save you from sin and hell, but also give to you health, joy, peace, love, hope, unconditional acceptance, favour, the power to get wealth, all good things you can think of and more.

[url=http://www.newcreation.org.sg/aboutus/we_believe/cross.htm]New Creation Church[/url]

some who accepts Jesus will be persecuted, murdered, sawn asunder, become homeless and much more, some will be filled with Gods spirit and be stoned to death very shortly after, It is true you will have wealth, in the heavenly, God has given us all riches in Jesus. so wealth spiritually yes, and joy and peace to, that even when we are persecuted, imprisoned, sawn asunder we have joy and peace in Him.

all these things are availible for someone who have faith, but the riches like money and welth on earth God gives to anyone, the condition for being a wealthy man is found in the NT Mat 5:45 that ye may be sons of your Father in the heavens, because His sun He doth cause to rise on evil and good, and He doth send rain on righteous and unrighteous.

so wealth and earthly joy and peace you either have to be righteous or unrighteous to enjoy, but to enjoy the heavenly riches, only a child of God can have those. Those are to be able to experience total freedom and joy in the midst of persecution, in prison, in poverty, when hungry, when homeless ect.

Heb 11:32 And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:
Heb 11:33 Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions,
Heb 11:34 Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.
Heb 11:35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:
Heb 11:36 And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:
Heb 11:37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;
Heb 11:38 (Of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.
Heb 11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
Heb 11:40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

we see that through faith we can receive healing, even resurrection of dead people, but the same faith can also make us die horrible deaths and torture..... its the same faith.

One of popular teachings, but with errors, is regarding the parable of the Lost/Prodigal Son in Luke 15:11-32.

He believes repentance is NOT required because the father was looking for his son and he had compassion before he repented (Luke 15:20).

The truth is the son DID repent before and afterwards(see Luke 15:17-19, 21).

Another error of Joseph Prince is regarding Acts 13:13-41. He believes that is a word for word sermon of Paul and this was the only thing Paul preached. (See his book "Destined to Reign.") If this is true, then Paul's sermons were only about 5 minutes long.

Also, he states that Paul didn't preach repentance in this sermon, thus he never preached repentance and that it should not be preached today.

However, Paul did preach repentance. See Acts 17:29-31, Acts 20:20-22, Acts 26:19-21, 2 Cor. 7:2-12, Eph 4:17-24, 2 Tim 2:19-21, and Titus 2:11-15.

deborah5769 wrote:
Anyone who criticizes Joseph Prince has not really heard what he preaches. ....

Reading this, reminds me of "If people bother to really read the bible and if their heart is in the right place, they will know where the error of Joseph Prince's preaching is.

I've been to his church before I was saved and one of the reason why I left was because of the 'prosperity gospel' that they were preaching. My life was difficult, I wanted to have enough $ etc but not at the expense of attending to hear something that may not be right no matter how much I wanted it to be true -and I wasn't even saved then but already felt there was something wrong. As if we come to Jesus for 'material blessings' and that after we come to Jesus, we will have material blessings.

After I was saved, I've heard his sermon and realised that people who do not really bother to read their bible and if their heart is bent on prosperity etc will not realise the error of his message. Hmmmmh has already given an example of what the bible says which is in conflict with what Joseph Prince is teaching.

Most religions teach kindness. Kindness is a good virtue but just because religions teach kindness doesn't mean they are the correct religion. On the surface,Joseph Prince may seem to preach the gospel as in the bible but listening to his sermon and checking with the bible will prove otherwise. And not just checking on the parts of the bible that one wants to hear.

BTW, Paul the apostle had a much more 'difficult live' after he was saved. Before, he was doing well, but after he was saved, he was poor, hungry, imprisoned, whipped etc. Why did Joseph Prince not mention Paul but mentioned cases like Joseph over and over again to get his point that we will be materially well off when we are a Christian. Also, Joseph Prince have stressed that we need only God etc, to feel the presence of God etc (maybe singing Christian songs etc) but yet fail to mention about us needing to really read the bible as the main way(or 1 of the main way) to really know God. Also, how he interprets what the bible say is not totally correct and for people who don't really bother to read the bible diligently and are really saved will be misled. Just some examples.

BTW, we don't believe in Joel Osteen also which is supported in the website that you have inserted in your post and who (Joel Osteen) is also endorsed by Joseph Prince

Hi Deborah,
My good friend got the book "destine to riegn". He started talking about how it liberated him too! He started talking about how we are fogiven for sins past,present and future.And how 1 john chapter 1 wasn't written to christians, but to the gnostics and how we don't have to confess and repent of our sins, we just have to realize we are forgiven. It scared me that my friend was being led astray. So i did my homework on this guy.God's Grace probably has 10,000 sides, like His Word Gods Grace is multifaceted and we will search it out for eternity if we truely belong to him.Most false teachers preach from the Bible so we have critical of strange teaching.

HumblyD,

Reading what you wrote remind me of this incident. A person was preaching the true gospel and how we needed to repent and turn to Jesus to be saved (outside Joel Osteen's church). People were either leaving or going to the church. Nobody (not a single person) that was shown in the youtube clip bothered to listen to the true gospel. 1 woman started shouting at him that there was no hell and that hell was a make-believe place. Makes me very sad. This is what happens when we follow a false gospel.

do any regulars on si think joseph prince is ok?

humblyD: do any regulars on si think joseph prince is ok?

I also would like some imput from other SI regulars. His teaching has affected (or infected) some of leaders and now the body of Christ at my church. I will be meeting with the pastor in the few days concerning this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5T_GjQy3jw&feature=channel

Brutal Persecution In Romania by Josef Tson

A good sermon to watch right from the beginning. However, around the 19th minute onwards, Josef Tson talked about what's wrong with American evangelism (eg the Santa Claus syndrome) which contradicts what the bible says and what the bible says which contradicts what Joseph Prince says.

I have to admit when I first heard him on TBN I was shocked and thought he was pretty good...that is until I listened to his whole message. He is the most talented and I would have to say dangerous prosperity preacher around today. If this guy was in America he would be a superstar right now.

His presentation of the scriptures are very articulate. His preaching style is expository. However, it's easy to get led astray because of all the correct things he says. You can always discover the heart of someone's theology by getting a glimpse of the destination they are leading you to. A man of God will lead you to God and God's glory. Joseph Prince's destination is to personal wealth and your glory. So all the good things that he does say, and he says a lot of things that are good, are made to be the servant of an overall message that is not good. That's why I say he is very dangerous.

I pray for Joseph Prince, because if the true Gospel ever gets a hold of his heart he would be an awesome preacher.

Hulsey,

I think you have described him very well.

But I will add this: I think he is spiritually wounded. Throughout his book (Destined to Reign) he tells stories of when he was a teenager in the church. He says that he was told all kinds of things that were unbiblical. And if they really said those things, he is right. However, he has gone to the extreme in the other direction in what he preaches.

Yes he is. Several people at work who go to church have asked me what I thought of him.

LoveGodsWay2 wrote:

humblyD: do any regulars on si think joseph prince is ok?

I also would like some imput from other SI regulars. His teaching has affected (or infected) some of leaders and now the body of Christ at my church. I will be meeting with the pastor in the few days concerning this.

I don't know how regular I am but I will add my two bits. When he first came on in my area, I watched him a couple of times and that was it.

What got my attention to watch him in the first place was I heard "new covenant" and thought, "Cool!" thank God I had already been listening to Zac Poonen's teaching on the new covenant! I said, "Nope, they don't line up." And I haven't listened to him since. [Now, I say that because I haven't dug out all the scriptures on the new covenant in the Bible yet but hopefully by the end of this year; so right now I'm counting mostly on Zac Poonen. Just being honest!]

I know there are those on here who say he's of the devil. I don't know and I'm not going to be so presumptuous to say that I do. But I do know that God is in control. Joseph Prince or anyone else not preaching according to our standards of the Bible has not taken God by surprise!

**edit: I'm just going to worry about the preaching I need to be doing! I had an old high school friend call me the other day. We were big party'ers in h.s. but I was converted about 9 months after graduating and we stayed friends. Anyway, after about 20 years we get to talk and she told me (paraphased), "Do you know you were the first Bible I read? And you led me to the real Bible."

You know, that really touched me. I want to be the Bible to those who haven't read it and it's not all about getting upset over (majoring in) all these supposedly false teachers around us. It's about being Jesus to those we can touch and teaching them by our behavior what to major on as well. (It's not my intention to offend anyone by my words - I had to write from my heart.)

God bless you all,

I want to be the Bible to those who haven't read it and it's not all about getting upset over (majoring in) all these supposedly false teachers around us.

I agree with you Lysa, but Joseph Prince's false teaching is going through my church like a wild fire. And it seems that I am the only leader in my church that recognizes it. It's so hard some days because I have the love of Christ for the people & leaders and they are being deceived. It's hard because some days it feel like my wife & I standing alone. But I have a appointment with my senior pastor this week. My prayer is that God will open his eyes.

“Watch out for smooth talkers, who pastor large churches and write many books and lead big ministries, and do not manifestly prize, above their earthly good, the whole counsel of God.”

John Piper
Watch Out for Those Who Lead You Away from the Truth (11-05-06)

I'm not sure why this thread is so against The Word of Faith movement. This movement is only based on the Word...as Rhema.

I believe that everything that is taught must be researched against the Word...and that is what Rhema believes. I have never heard anything that is taught without scripture. As one that attends Rhema can testify.

So if it's scripture based, than you can't speak against it and if you can't back it up without a scripture than you don't live by it.

But to speak against the Word of Faith movement is speaking against the Bible. That is all it is...you back up what you say with scripture. Everything I have ever read has always been backed by scripture.

Just don't discount the scripture. I'm one that can speak from experience. I had leukemia when I was 15 and now 30+ years later I don't.

The thing with the speaking in tongues (as Acts sets forth) is power. And God wants us to work in power. Dosn't get you to heaven (only accepting Christ does that), but it does make life so much better. Faith is now, Hope is in the future. I pray that through prayer and the Bible you find your answer.

:-)

Wanted to clearify...you can speak out against anything....even if it's the Word of Faith ministry, but make sure what you are speaking out against is not backed up by the Bible.