kingdom theology

In a recent web search of G.W., I came across a blurb about him being linked with the Latter Rain Movement (which from what I understand transcends towards word/faith) any comments from those that have spent more time reading G.W's works?

Not to get picky, but did he say why he left the movement?, and has he denounced any of those writings (Feast of Tabernacles) that seem to secure the foundation of the movement?[ :-)

What exactly is the connection between his writings and "Latter Rain"? Would any of you consider any of his writings to be avoided?

That was actually on Warnock's bio page (still in progress) on my website. The URL is here:http://heartsoffireproductions.com/authors/warnock.htmAfter talking to him on the phone, the main problems with the Latter Rain early on were a tendency to control -- similar to the Shepherding Movement that came about two decades later but not quite as severe. There was pressure to follow certain men and certain teachings that were seen as foundational reasons for the outpouring in the first place. Warnock recognized that these were not the cause for the outpouring (in fact, he is convinced that man's organizing and attempting to lead God's moves kills them), and decided to step away from the movement.As for teachings such as Manifest Sons and other controversial "Latter Rain" teachings: Warnock has a very balanced biblical view on these things that he brings in Feast of Tabernacles. This book does not teach what many have used it to teach, but like much of the Bible itself, it has been twisted -- in this case to teach a sort of super-human godhood for end-times believers.His perspective is simply that the Church will produce the fruit that God has been waiting for from its foundation: perfect love. This will be the culmination of all the five-fold ministry that has ever taken place and will ultimately elminate the need for "ministry." This is the "revelation" or the "manifestation" of the Sons of God -- the Church in fulness as the Body of Christ. With this comes additional authority, yes, but this is quite distinct from the "Manifest Sons" doctrine that essentially makes supermen on the earth.I hope that helps. I do agree with Ktrek that any who really want to get a full grasp on these things should both read his books (I would not avoid any of his books -- I think they're all excellent) and contact him; he is more than willing to talk on the phone or write.In several of his books (and a few of the messages on this site), by the way, he deals with the heresies of Word-faith teaching. The sermon I have titled (it didn't have a title before) "Manna" from a Wilkerson conference in the mid 80's does this with authority.

Jason, where exactly can I find the sermon you have titled Manna by David Wilkerson, is it on your site? thanks scott

That sermon is actually by Warnock at a Wilkerson "Call to Repentance" conference from the mid 1980's. It's both on my site and on this one under George H. Warnock. Sorry I wasn't more clear.

I'm quite confused about all of this now..... I've found that there are many websites which are quite strong in denouncing Warnock as a heretic. Does he hold to any of those teaching considered heretical? It also seems that the notion of "universal salvation" is rather common (I'd never heard of it myself!) among those in this camp (Latter Rain, Manifest Sons of God, etcetera). Does he hold to that?I've written a letter to George Warnock requesting some literature. I hope I can have good correspondence with him.I'm really seeking the truth wherever it is, just a bit cautious.DanielJ

You are right in being cautious. In my contact with Warnock (and in a close reading of his books), it is very clear that he does not hold to universalism. Unfortunately, many who do hold to this view use some of his writing to back their view (particularly from Chain Reaction in Realms of the Spirit -- a total abuse of that book).As for whether or not he holds to any teachings considered heretical, I guess that depends on who is defining what is heresy and orthodox. As I understand it, his teaching is orthodox -- that is, it is true to the teaching of Scripture.

False movements have always tried to connect with someone or some teaching that is real. That gives them an inroad into Christianity. I think it was in one of Peter's epistles where he says they will come in secretly among us. That's nothing new though, the Devil has been doing that since the Garden of Eden. In Christ,Jeremy Hulsey

Thanks everyone for your replies. I think I just became rather alarmed when I saw sites attach a list of "heresies" to this area of Christianity. I'm not theologically-minded at all, so the nuances of different teachings don't bother me as much as the idea that a lot of people are out there crying "heresy!" I realize this is a shortage on my part. Just for information (and discussion if any are interested), here is a list of what someone considers "wrong" Latter Rain doctrines:• Replacement theology: The Church is Israel. •Rejection of pre-millennial doctrines, of the classic understanding of the Rapture, the Tribulation, the Second Coming and the Millennium. •The wicked raptured, (ie taken in judgment) not the Church. • The dominion mandate - the Body is to “possess the land” and rule on earth BEFORE the return of Christ. • Spiritual warfare - the believers must topple the heavenly powers and take their place in order to rule over the earth. • New revelation and Secret Doctrines that only the overcomers can understand, • “Without spot or wrinkle” - The Church must be purged before Christ can indwell it. His indwelling will bring about the sinless perfection of the Church. • Restoration of the Apostles and Prophets - The vital need of discipling in the Body and submission to Elders (Shepherding) to bring about the perfecting of the saints. • Unity of all believers necessary and vital since Jesus cannot incarnate into an undivided Body. • Manifestation of the Sons of God which is the fullness and glorification of the Church on the day that “Christ is formed in his people”. They are a mighty Army of the Lord (Joel's Army). This is various described as the Birth of the Manchild - i.e. those in the Body who are perfected by the work of the Apostles, Prophets and Teachers and brought (literally) to 'the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ.”

Anyway....Just thought I would mention that yesterday, I received a very warm and insightful letter from George Warnock. The letter put me rather at ease. He is sending some books, which I look forward to reading. I then plan to write back to him.Some thoughtful fellowship from his letter:I recall a young man who wrote me one time a sentence of which went something like this: "Please pray that the Lord will show me His plan for my life." And in my reply I felt to say this: "I cannot pray that God will show you His plan for your life, because generally He does not want to tell us too much about that. But He does want us to know His will and do it - and if we are faithful in that, we cannot fall short of His plan." The Lord is pleased to show a little of His plan at times, but His emphasis is rather on the "doing of His will." And in order to know His will and walk in it, He requires that total commitment to Him, briefly set forth by the apostle Paul in Romans 12: "that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, wholly acceptable unto Him, which is your reasonable service...". Then in doing this, he goes on to say: that with renewed minds, we are now able to know "what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect will of God."Then in closing, "...our Father really desires to nurture us with the bread from His heart, that we might grow into the image and stature of the Lord Jesus."Amen!!DanielJ