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promises Aug 5, 2009

Hello everyone.
I have been so blessed with the sermon index website, blessed is too feeble a word to express my spiritual hunger. I found this site through youtube "Revival Hymnal" and I cannot remember the last time I heard those kind of preaching. If only, if only we had them in the puplit more often then our churches will grow.

I am realtively new to this forum, so please bear with me. I have several concerns, but this one is the most pressing, what does the Bible teach on occupation such as pshychology, social work, human services etc. I find that these fields while they are centered on "helping" our fellow human beings, I find them to be more "humanistic" or self-reliant than dependent of God. Please help

Thank you
Promises

sermonindex Aug 5, 2009

Hi Promises!
Welcome to SermonIndex, I think you will find a wealth of bible based teaching here to peruse to help with any unaswered questions you have.

I find that these fields while they are centered on "helping" our fellow human beings, I find them to be more "humanistic" or self-reliant than dependent of God. Please help

I think you have kind of answered your own question here. Most of these occupations stem from a desire to make life better for the individual but forget, or deny, that the true answer lies in God's salvation. D.L. Moody stated, "I don't find any place where God says that the world is to grow better and better...I look upon this world as a wrecked vessel, God has given me a lifeboat and said to me, `Moody, save all you can.' "
Unfortunately, because of sin, there's a need for these occupations and to the 'world' it's their only hope, but they can't offer new life, or complete forgiveness and total healing, only salvation through Christ can do that. I think it's good when you can have the two together, I know a lot of Christians who are trained to work for the good of others, but they are restricted in what they can do due to rules and regulations.
God gave instructions on feeding the poor, clothing the naked and taking care of the widows and the orphans~ there are a lot of verses, especially in Deuteronomy and Levicticus, on how to act towards those in need. It was the responsibility of the Jews to look after the needy and, therefore, they didn't have the professions which we have today.
Then Jesus came to show the way. We have His example in showing compassion in doing the work, through divine love. He spoke out against the social customs of the day, he fed the hungry, healed the sick, had compassion towards the widow, befriended the outcast of society, and wept over Jerusalem. We are not called to preach the gospel just with our words, but we are also called to walk in His ways/ His footsteps in laying down our lives, when seeing a need to not walk by on the other side, to feed the poor, clothe the naked and by doing this to the least, we are doing this unto Jesus. (Jackie Pullinger stated that at first she needed to feed the hungry drug addicts before she was even able to begin to share the good news with them.) I strongly believe that if all His own did His work, (I know that there are those who are an extension of the sacrificial love of Christ) people wouldn't be turning to the 'humanistic' approach that we have today.


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promises Aug 5, 2009

Hquest
thank you for your reply to the posting. I really appreciate your answer and comments. I am in agreement with the way Jesus worked, but as you have said, sometimes the ethics that bind the worker make it impossible to really "help' an individual whose help is only in Christ Jesus.

Thanks again
Promises

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TomfromOZ Aug 6, 2009

Hi promises and welcome

I do not post much but I do work in welfare and may be able to add something to this.
I do not have a string of initials after my name nor do have I have a university education learned in all the schools of psychology and the thoughts of men.
I work mostly with angry young men and drug effected young people under 25 for a non govt agency.

The industry I work in is dominated by humanism and seems to be increasingly anti-christian and anti-biblical in principal. Im guessing that welfare is not the only industry that is experiencing this.
My job does not give me an open platform to share my faith but it does allow me entrance into the lives of the broken, the hurting, the marginalised and needy and at times confrontations with great evil. In this work I do have oportunities to speak about my Lord and the reality of his transforming power to those in great need. My work is a privelige.

I have recently listened to Zac Poonens messages on Daniel and found great encouragement from a man of God, Daniel, who is in exile with his people, working for a God opposing government, under a false religious regime and yet maintained a mighty testamony for the living God and was used greatly. I hope in what ever work I do, I may walk after the Lord and display his reality like a Daniel.

William booth of the Salvation Army was of the opinion that the lost need to see the gospel in action before they will listen to it. I have seen that in action.

This industry needs Christians in it and around it to maintain a conscience, challenge it and hinder the new age, humanism etc that is so prevalent in it today.

Thats it for now
Tom :-)

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TomfromOZ Aug 6, 2009

Hi again promises

I forgot to ask, are you considering work in this field?

Tom

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promises Aug 13, 2009

Tom,
I do hope all is well with you. I apologize for taking so long to reply. Actually I have earned my BSW (social work degree) and from the time I began the educational process I became aware of the humanism of the work. I do have struggles each day, but I commit my ways to the Lord and ask him to have his way in my life.

promises

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ginnyrose Aug 14, 2009

Promises,
Our son has a friend who is pursuing a doctorate in social work. She told us most people enter social work with the expectations they could make a difference in the lives of people they work to help. When they do not see this happen, they burn out after a few years.

I asked her "what they do then?" She said "they go back to school like I am to get more training." I didn't think to ask her how she expected that to help.

One time at CPC I had a client who was college student majoring in counseling at a nearby state university. I gave her some lit we had, including some from Focus on the Family, asking her to read it and tell me what she thinks about it. She read it and told my co-worker "it was very guilt inducing!" {{SIGH}}

ginnyrose

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Koheleth Aug 14, 2009

Hquest,

Greetings! Welcome to SI. Psychology, social work, and human services can be very Christian, since all of these things are what Jesus was involved in, but like anything else what most people know of these areas is how man has corrupted them and changed their true purpose. So watch out for the distinction.

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promises Aug 18, 2009

Ginny rose,
One of the things I am coming to grips with is finding a true knowledge of God. When all is said and done it would not matter about the social work degree, rather it is the simple faith and trust that I have placed in God, but even with that I am having a hard time, because every thing and circumstances around us is so materialistic and it takes only a committed relationship with God to understand the words of the scripture. Thanks for your post.

promises

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promises Aug 18, 2009

I can't agree more that the "fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom" but have you noticed that the "higher" the academic education the less there is the fear of God in it and even so we do not have too many christian services offered. Most of the services are offered by the government and the christians do the work. If only we can find our place in the secular world. One of my friends said to me, it is a job that you are paid to do, do it and remove yourself from the circumstances. I asked her how to do that, she couldn't tell me.

thanks for the response
promises

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TrueWitness Aug 18, 2009

Welcome the the forum. Glad to have you. On the subject of psychology with respect to Christianity, there is a website that exposes the error of supplanting the word of the cross with human psychology. It is called PsychoHeresy.
http://www.psychoheresy-aware.org
They do not reject of condemn the entire field of psychology. I will let them explain it better than I can by giving an excerpt from their book, PsychoHeresy:

Multitudes of Christians view psychology with respect and awe. It is paradoxical that at a time when more and more secular psychological researchers are demonstrating less and less confidence in psychological counseling, more and more Christians are pursuing it in one way or another. Christian counseling centers are springing up all over the nation offering what many believe to be the perfect combination:
Christianity plus psychology. Furthermore, Christians who are not even in counseling look to what psychologists say about how to live, how to relate to others, and how to meet the challenges of life. But what are the roots of all of this psychological advice? Is psychological counseling, with all of its variations and combinations, part of the seduction of Christianity? See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ (Colossians 2:8).
The world offers all kinds of ideas that clearly stand in opposition to the Bible. However, the greatest problems for Christians are not those of clear contradiction, such as direct denial of God or blatant atheism. Jesus warned: Watch out and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees (Matthew 16:6).
Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump of dough? (I Corinthians 5:6). One of the most subtle and dangerous deceptions today is a slow-acting, poisonous leaven which is permeating the church. The leaven easily entered the liberal branches of Christendom under the guise of science and medicine. It gave people something to hang onto as their faith in the inspired Word of God flagged. The leaven then spread to conservative churches, Bible colleges, and seminaries. In their desire to help the sheep and expand church growth, many pastors have been adding that same leaven to the Word of God. They have been taking what appears to be good for the bleeding sheep and feeding it to the entire flock in one form or another. The leaven has been like a food additive which seems to have positive benefits, but which eventually weakens the flock.
WHAT IS THE LEAVEN?
What is this insidious leaven and why would seminaries and pastors who truly care for their flocks be promoting this leaven in the church? The leaven is psychology. Psychological leaven consists of secular theories and techniques which are “according to the tradition of men.” They are man-made ideas which offer substitutes for salvation and sanctification. When we speak of the leaven of psychology we are not referring to the entire field of psychological study. Instead,
we are referring to that part of psychology which deals with the nature of man, how he should live, and how he can change. It involves values, attitudes, and behavior. We will be using the words psychology, psychological counseling, the psychological way, and psychotherapy interchangeably when referring to, such man-made systems of understanding and treatment. Because testimonials of success and happiness abound, many eagerly follow the promises of the psychological way. However, we will be taking a hard look at what psychological systems for understanding and helping people really have to offer. We all hear and read about testimonials that claim marvelous help from psychology. However, few hear or read about the failures. The research that will be cited later in this book will illustrate the fact that psychological explanations about life and psychological solutions to life’s problems are questionable at best, detrimental at worst, and spiritual counterfeits at least. Although some have recognized the contradictions, failures, and false promises, many continue to think in
psychological terms and turn to psychology for answers to life. Our twentieth-century culture is steeped in psychological theories and ideas. In fact, most people do not even think twice about the origin of some of the psychological ideas they take for granted.
WHAT ABOUT “CHRISTIAN PSYCHOLOGY”?
But, how does all of this relate to the church? Just because secular psychologies out in the world reek of anti-Christian bias, contradictions, and failures, does it follow that psychology in the church is also contaminated? Unfortunately what has been labeled “Christian psychology” is made up of the very same confusion of contradictory theories and techniques. Well-meaning psychologists who profess Christianity have merely borrowed the theories and techniques from secular psychology. They dispense what they believe to be the perfect blend of psychology and Christianity. Nevertheless, the psychology they use is the same as that used by non-Christian psychologists and psychiatrists. They use the theories and techniques devised by such men as Freud, Jung, Rogers, Janov, Ellis, Adler, Berne, Fromm, Maslow, and others, none of whom embraced Christianity or developed a psychological system from the Word of God. The Christian Association for Psychological Studies (CAPS) is a group of psychologists and psychological counselors who are professing Christians. At one of their meetings the following was said:
We are often asked if we are “Christian psychologists” and find it difficult to answer since we don’t know what the question implies. We are Christians who are psychologists but at the present time there is no acceptable Christian psychology that is markedly different from non-Christian psychology. It is difficult to imply that we function in a manner that is fundamentally distinct from our non-Christian colleagues ... as yet there is not an acceptable theory, mode of research or treatment methodology that is distinctly Christian.
Although Christian psychological counselors claim to have taken only those elements of psychology that fit with Christianity, anything can be made to fit the Bible, no matter how silly or even satanic it is. Each Christian therapist brings his own individual psychology borrowed from the
world to the Bible and modifies the Word to make it fit. What they use comes from the bankrupt systems of ungodly and unscientific theories and techniques. Christians who seek to integrate psychology with Christianity have actually turned to secular, ungodly sources for help. And, because these unbiblical, unsubstantiated theories and techniques have been blended into the dough, they are well hidden in the loaf. Thus many Christians honestly believe that they are using only a purified, Christianized psychology. Instead, we are left with a contaminated loaf, not with the unleavened bread of the Word of God. A. W. Tozer declares:
At the heart of the Christian system lies the cross of Christ with its divine paradox. The power of Christianity appears in its antipathy toward, never in its agreement with, the ways of fallen men.... The cross stands in bold opposition to the natural man. Its philosophy runs contrary to the processes of the unregenerate mind, so that Paul could say bluntly that the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness. To try to find a common ground between the message of the cross and man’s fallen reason is to try the impossible, and if persisted in must result in an impaired reason, a meaningless cross and a powerless Christianity.

All of the books of PsychoHeresy's ministry are available for free in PDF format. Here is the link to download the free books:
http://www.psychoheresy-aware.org/bksonline.html
I suggest you start with "PsychoHeresy: The Psychological Seduction of Christianity" and "The End of Christian Psychology".

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promises Aug 25, 2009

True Witness,
Thank you so much for the information you have shared. I really do feel blessed and appreciate it.

Promises

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