Joshh
Aug 5, 2009
One thing I thought of is that the devil will attack Christian marriages to hurt believers and bring damage to the church and its reputation. Why do you think this is?
One thing I thought of is that the devil will attack Christian marriages to hurt believers and bring damage to the church and its reputation. Why do you think this is?
There could be many reasons why divorce is so high in the church.
I'm no expert, so it's only opinion from me.
First, the church seems to parrot the world in just about everything. And since divorce is high in the world, then guess what, the church follows suit.
As it is, many who attend church are not Christians anyway, but they know the cliches etc, so they get married, and when it doesn't work out, the answer is divorce.
Also, since people date, and split up, and date and split up, then when they get married, it changes to married, divorced, married, divorced and so on.
Someone who can see the sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ on the cross, will look to the cross throughout their entire life, and focus it on their marriage, children, home, everything.
To conclude, I also view eternity, either heaven or hell.
Both are forever. I don't want to do anything to make my family reject the gospel and lose out for all eternity.
God bless.
The rate of divorce in the church is directly proportional to the rate of sin and carnality allowed by the church.
If 90% of the conversions in the country were actually real... and the church got serious about not being just like the world, or concerned about offending the world... the divorce rate, teen pregnancy rate, substance abuse rate, etc in the church would decline.
I agree w/ Paul Washer... less than 10% of the peopple in this country who claim to be saved actually are.
Or put it another way... if we made a whip and drove out all the posers (those who say they are saved but are not) then there would be virtually no divorce, etc. (before I get flamed, I am not saying divorce never happens to a truly saved person... I know it does)
The problem is the term "church". When people refer to the term "church" they are referring to organized institution. I believe in the true "Church" (capital "C") meaning the truly saved Body of Christ divorce is NOT rampant.
For those truly saved folks who have experienced divorce I absolutely feel sympathy for your pain. Divorce can and does happen to some who are saved. But the rampant divorce rate generally spoken of in the "church" is a different beast entirely and feeds on sin and carnality.
Krispy
Men are usually not trained and taught how to love their wives as Christ loved the church, and how to nurture their family. Of course, many of the men may be unregenerate, but, nevertheless, the training is usually absent.
Also, by loving your wife as Christ loved the church, I don't think it means simply love your wife a lot - I think it may mean love your wife in a covenantal way.
With care in Christ,
Taylor
What Krispy and Taylor said.
Deceived unbelievers [i.e. think they're saved] and baby believers getting married do enough damage to the institution all by themselves without the devil's 'help'
AS the word say's, a little leaven, leaven's the whole lump...
A woman in our church is divorcing her husband, she claims to be a christian, he claims to be a christian.
I talked to my pastor about it and his answer is well atleast she is comming to church to get influenced some how...
Now everyone else who are watching that are not grounded in the faith, who should LOVE GOD, see this and think well, My happiness is more important that Loving God, and the cycle continues, because pastors have absolutely NO Morals towards God and HIS WORD.
Thats why divorce is so High in the church because leadership allows people in the church to stay in the church who would do such things.
If pastors were preaching on God's attributes, and the Fear of God, and what HE expects of us maybe people would get it.
I know, IM a meanie and don't understand people's feelings...but remember the church has drifted towards humanism and not towards God. We don't fear God anymore we fear MAN......
If we feared God we would tell the truth, instead we try to make people feel better like some therapist who is trying to get a client through life, without guilt, so they can function in society.
I believe that most of divorces happend among proffesing christians. There are many who call themself born again christians who do not live as christians. Im sure that most of dicorces among 'christians' happend among those who disregard the commandments of our Lord and the Word of God regardeing marriage.
I have been married for 2 years and my marriage has not been an easy one, i fight for my marriage in a good way, the love of God is unconditional. How can we with a good conscience divorce our wives when they have not cheated us? My marriage humanly speaking is not happy, we dont have this spiritual union even though we both confess to be christians. I know that the source of happiness and joy is God and that love covers a multitude of sins.
I will better chose to be the most miserable man in marriage then dishoner God by divorce. There are many proffessing christian who think divorce is not a big deal.God is a God of a second chance thats true,he may forgive the sin of divorce if we repent (exception is when there is marital unfaithfulness)but that will marr our witness for the Lord.
Today people say that divorce among christians is as high as among secular people, even higher among christians. I dont believe that, thats a propaganda to dishoner God. Im sure that dicorece is high among proffessing christians and low among true christians who love God.
elected wrote:
I will better chose to be the most miserable man in marriage then dishoner God by divorce.
Amen, Amen, AMEN!
Thank you brother. It is this witness and this attitude that is needed in the heart of believers today... An "all out, no holds bar" approach to marriage where spouses will "WORK IT OUT"! If it doesn't work out, there is no quitting. Instead you keep steadfast in prayer and in [u]your
Thank you brother. Your post is a blessing to me. May the Lord heal your marriage and make it a mirrior image of His image. :-)
The main reason is because people feel they are "entitled" to personal happiness.
Divorce happens only because one person says "I will not" instead of crying out to God and saying, "help me I cannot!"
The church has a reputation of being alive, but the church is dead
Thank you MICCAH for your word of encouragement.
I stand for my marriage, i love my wife unconditionaly, may God increase this agape love for our spouses and the devil will not have room for discord. We are called to be peacemakers, God is a God of peace. I leanred by experiece you can be right with a wrong behavior and ruin the marriage by arguing. I have ben to the adge of divorce, if it was not for for the grace of God my marriage would have been broken in pieces.
The love and mercy and peace of God is keeping my marriage from falling apart, praise God for his goodness.
Now think about what your saying here. Are you saying everyone in the Church but yourself or do you include yourself as being apart of the Church that is dead?The church has a reputation of being alive, but the church is dead
What about the men and women who are hazarding their lives around the globe for the name of Jesus, are they too apart of the Church that is dead?
What about the promise of Jesus when He said, Matthew 16:18 ?
Jesus and the Church are one body. For anyone to say that the "church is dead", that means that Christ is dead as well because God made it like that on Calvary and in the resurrection. We died with and we arose with Him, we in Him are one new man, a new creation.
I used to say the same thing about the Church until I realized one thing. I didn't love the Church as much as I should have AND I didn't know what I was talking about. I was just repeating what others have said. Jesus loves His body and He cherishes it.
As to the topic of this thread: Paul said, Be not conformed to this world but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind....."
The problems with us at least the Western countries is that we are too consumed in this culture. Men and Women are not taking their proper rolls. Men won't take the lead and Women have to do all the leading. It's a very complex situation. There needs to be a destruction of the current system to bring everyone down to ground zero sort of speak and start over. Whenever Women try to usurp the authority of the man, man gives way to it, men become wimps which produces homosexuals. At the turn of the last century this was beginning to develop. It's not the place for the woman to do what a man does. But this whole problem is man's fault, he allowed the problem to come in. Women need to be ruled over. Oh I can hear the grinding of teeth, but it's true. God is the head of Christ, Christ is the head of man, and man is the head of woman. Cherish her, love her and be kind to her.
A can of worms has just been opened.
:-P
Why is divorce so high in the church? The main reason in my opinion is-lack of the fear of God.If a husband truly loves God and has a fear of the Lord in his heart and wife does also-nothing that can destroy that marriage.Of course the problems will come but if both love God with all their hearts and fear Him the marriage will withstand any storm.
Such a rare example and very hard to come by. My Sisters husband committed adultery twice on two separate occasions spanning several years. This last fornication was a lengthy affair and she wanted to get rid of him. She still loves him but is mad like the dickens. To make a long story short, they are currently working at their marriage. He seems to be making progress trying to convince her that he needs her, because she had his bags packed and sent to the curb. That was a wake up call for him. I gave him a message on overcoming sin and after watching it he agreed that he needs Christ in his life. They fight like cats and dogs but they seem to be coming a long pretty good.If a husband truly loves God and has a fear of the Lord in his heart and wife does also-nothing that can destroy that marriage.Of course the problems will come but if both love God with all their hearts and fear Him the marriage will withstand any storm.
This marriage might work. This marriage probably should have ended long ago but two people are willing to stick it out through thick and thin, even though he stepped out on her twice. How many women would put up with that? Not too many.
elected wrote:
I will better chose to be the most miserable man in marriage then dishoner God by divorce.
This moved me, too.
The Lord look upon you with favour, brother. An attitude like this brings joy to His heavy heart... and to some of us as well! What an inspiration!
...And count on it, with a beautiful attitude such as yours you're certainly not going to be miserable in a certain secret place in your heart!
AD
He/she must not be married!! :-Pelected wrote: I will better chose to be the most miserable man in marriage then dishoner God by divorce.
The church has a reputation of being alive, but the church is dead
No it is not! The group of people mascarading as the "church" are in fact not the TRUE church!
The true Church of Jesus stands tall and alive... and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Krispy
DeepThinker wrote:Now think about what your saying here. Are you saying everyone in the Church but yourself or do you include yourself as being apart of the Church that is dead?
I don't need to go and think about it, what you need to do and anyone else who doubts my words need to do is pray about what I have told you.
This is what God Spirit spoke to me "The church is Dead now get up you and all this people"
I asked God to explain this to me about how the church could be dead and he pointed me to Rev 3:1-6.
Alive but dead in sin, the church is dead in sin that is the answer why the church is dead. But we also find that there are a few that have not defiled themselves and they will walk with him.
We can blame all manner of things divorce, men not taking there proper rolls, homosexuals, it's not the true church etc etc.
The problem is SIN.
DeepThinker wrote:
He/she must not be married!! :-P
Maybe a bit of oversite here, but the brother was saying that his marriage is not on as solid ground as he prays it to be.
There are many, many of a believer that ARE married that WILL NOT divorce under any circumstance. To imply that this brother is not married because he takes this stand dishonors his Christ-like intentions of working it out with his spouse.
I am married. We have our issues as well. I am also a believer. I agree that...
[i]"I will better chose to be the most miserable man in marriage then dishoner God by divorce...
Yes. There are those of us who would never get a divorce, and are believers. This should be the heart cry of all Christians towards their marriages. If it were, there would be a whole lot of less divorces in the church.
Deepthinker:I agree Miccah that making a joke out of this brothers heart filled testimony was not a very Christ centered way to respond to his post.
I know a couple who have been married for along time. They have had their share of struggles as well. At one time the husband left the wife, moved home with his parents and was about to get a divorce but thankfully some real brothers and sisters in Christ stood up and called them both on their sinful attitudes. In the end the husband said he would not get a divorce because he was not willing to go against the Lord and did not want to hurt the Lord in that way. He moved back home and they are still together some eleven years later. Through Christ Jesus and their willingness to submitt their lives to Him as Lord their marriage is now very solid. Learning to love your spouse as Christ calls us to instead of with the selfish worldly attitudes will make a huge difference. One of the greatest enemies to any marriage is this fake and phoney notion of feel good romantic worldly love that advertising, Hollywood, and society tries to pass off as real. That kind of love will never get you through the difficult times together or the challenges that life has for you.
Just my thoughts on this
rdg
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