The errosion of Britains Christian heritage

Being a Brit living in the UK this is an interesting TV news report from the USA, but something we are highly aware of and I have some personal experience of. However it's good to be reminded how quickly things have changed and to see it in such a concise way.

http://www.christianlegalcentre.com/mediacentre.php?avid=248&avap=1

Praise God that we still have opportunity to preach and speak. May we all take the opportunity while it is still available before the door closes.

Praise God for things such as the Greenock outreach taking place later this year and other such public witness. We should not give in to those anti-christian groups who are seeking their agenda without a fight.

My wife is Norwegian and her family is currently visiting us here in WI. They tell us that in Norway they fear Christian observance will be almost completely curtailed in that country within 4 years if the current government hangs on.

I'm curious how congruent the apparent rise of secular intolerance is with the dramatic rise of Islam in the UK.

I'm curious how congruent the apparent rise of secular intolerance is with the dramatic rise of Islam in the UK.

From a personal subjective view I would say that it is not the average secular 'man in the street' that is intolerant to the Christian faith (unless it confronts his moral lack), but it is the state institutions and governments (including the state media) that is most aggresive towards us. Almost in direct contrast to the hostility shown to the Christian, is the embracing of Islam's position. They fear upsetting or offending the Muslim, but show no restrant on their attack on biblical christianity. This is a generalisation, but is more often the case.

How have you heard this 'dramatic rise' described, or, enumerated, and, what is its comparison with France's situation, where, (I believe), 6 million Mohammedans form part of the total population (and, France is an officially 'secular' country)?

I'm not sure what Compton is referring to exactly. What is sure is that in recent years the radical Muslim voice and agenda has had a dramatic rise in the UK, but also all over the world. The curent population of Muslims in the UK is estimated to be around 2 Million, which is a lot lower percentage than France.

However let's not think it's just about Islam, although this is having a big impact, but it is the general rejection of the Christian gospel, not helped by the falling away from the true gospel by the so called 'churches'.

This said, I am very reluctant to label the UK (or any country) as or having been a 'Christian Country'. The true church is always a minority or a 'remnant'. However even if this is the case we can still have an infuence and affect the society we live in. This is the History of the UK after the likes of Wesley and Whitfield.

In the light of the above, in what sense we remain a radical, pure church without having a seige mentality and also should we Christianise society? This would be an interesting point to consider. What do you think?

My question is just primarily how the anti-religous crowd in the UK deals with British Islam, which despite's it's minority status, seems very assertive and vocal as reported on this side of the Atlantic. If British Christians who refuse to celebrate homosexuality are feeling pressure to recant so to speak, it would follow that Muslims would also feel that pressure.

Yet you never seem to hear about it over here. Perhaps its because Muslims are considered a "minority religion" and paradoxically benefit from "diversity tolerance".

Just wanting some insight from those that live in the UK,

MC

Heyday wrotte:

In the light of the above, in what sense we remain a radical, pure church without having a seige mentality and also should we Christianise society? This would be an interesting point to consider. What do you think?

Mass conversion and christianising of europe in middle ages was a 'forceful' conversion, and we know how currupt the roman catholic church became as a result.The church of God always has been a minority.Im orginally from europe and i have lived in few different countries in europe.Anti-christian agenda in western europe is nothing else but a reflection of an anti-christian society that is degradating to moral relativism and sophisticated paganism.

Christianity is western european culture is relic of the past and its magnificient chathedrals or church buildings a work of art to be admired by tourists. I have live for years in belgium which is the 'capital of European Union'.
Belgium in my opinion is one of the most secular countries is western europe, there marriage almost has lost its 'religious value' or sanctity.

Brussels is the capital of belgium and the city where European Union 'executives' and politicians are working out the agenda of 'reviving the fallen roman impire'.

Its no surprise to me at all that christians in england are systematically denied there rights to be 'public christians' and there are making laws that they keep their faith private.

May England is one of the few countries in Western Europe where christian minority is strugling and fighting to counterpart anti-christian secularism and ungodly laws, because as far as i am aware western europe is a postchristan culture with post-judeo christian values and heritage. One day im sure European Union will have its own contitution and when that happens (its only a matter of time), Eurupe will have the greatest ungodly human constitution that will be a step further to preparing the pathway for antichrist.

I wonder for how long will america keep on their bill money, 'In God We Trust' ? or Who will be the last american president to pronounce 'God bless america' ?

Hi Elected,

Thanks for your post which is a very good assesment of the situation in Europe. I agree that most European countries are a long way down the post Christian path. Interestingly a lot of these are the ones that were controlled by Romanism, such France, Southern Germany, Belgium, Spain, Italy etc. In my travels in these countries although you see the outward relics and superstitions of Catholism, most people (especially the young) are extreemly secular. England remained protestant during many years of Catholic Europe, which helped slow the decline.

Most Christians agree that the result of the Evangelical awakening in England in the 18th century produced a major influence on society and the laws which reflected Christian values. So the question is should we expect this to happen again? Which is the same as asking will we see revival again on the same scale as in the days of Wesley and Whitfield?

Elected wrote:

I wonder for how long will america keep
on their bill money, 'In God We Trust' ? or Who will be the last american president to pronounce 'God bless america' ?

As God leads me, I think this "pressing" process of the Church is glorious,

So rather than trying to lobby governments to keep our Christian rights, we should be concentrating on preaching the gospel?

How have you heard this 'dramatic rise' described, or, enumerated, and, what is its comparison with France's situation, where, (I believe), 6 million Mohammedans form part of the total population (and, France is an officially 'secular' country)?

Having been in the UK just last November I can tell you I was not prepared for the number of Muslim's I saw in the airport. I had never before been out of the US.

nathan4christ wrotte:

The Name of God imprinted on money?...as if it somehow demonstrates national love of Yahweh?

Dear bro i understand your concern, im aware of the trends of evengilicalism and its compromise with the world and politics. The church of Jesus Christ is not an institution but a living organism and Christ is its Head. Christ said, 'give to Ceasar what belongs to ceasar and to God what belong to God'. We are to pay taxes to the government and respect its dignitaries and pray for our kings or presidents whether they be professing christians or even persons who persecute christians like Nero did with early christians.

The church and state are two different 'institutions', one is divine the other human, the kingdom of God is not the kingdom of this world. Christ reigns in the hearts of those believers who submit to his lordship.Those people who mingle politics with the kingdom of God are trying to moralize or reform society thru the means of goverment and the law of the land. There is no such a thing as christian politics in the new testament or christian state religion because the kindgom of God is spread thru the gosple and is the hearts of true believers where Christ is the King. You can be an official christian in the government or the army and if God calls somebody to fight the injustices of society like Wilberforce or anti-slavery reformers in 19th, God bless them.

True reformation and moral transformation in society is only thru the preaching of Christ and him crusified and this is done thru the church.

It does not make much difference for a christian if the name of God is printed of not on the money or if a president will follow the traditional custom of saying God bless america at the end of an important speech. The church of God will triumph whether its govenment accepts or rejects its message.

America was once called, 'land of the brave and free', and indeed the history of america is very unique in modern times.This country was populated by the puritan pilgrims and other persecuted christian minorities who came here for religious freedom and to worship God according to the dictates of the conscience.
Even after the independence of america, these country was the land of revivals and spiritual awakening. What made this country great was not its politician but those born again simple people who hold up the standard of the gosple in every area of life and not to forget all the prayers of godly people to God to bless their country and indeed God did bless america more then He ever blessed anyother moder nation in the world.

Backsliding compromising christians are responsible for the condition of this country is in.In the 50 the evangelicals were tired of being viewed as accentric fundamentalist who will not compromise with the world and now we have created a pararel univers of our owen similiar to the world. What i mean is we copied the world and brought it in by baptizing its music to christian music, now we have christian movies, novels, christian rock stars, even so called church looks more like an capitalist enterprise than a new testament church. Many maga church pastors are look more like CEO's than Shepherds. The methods & principals of business world are the methods & principals of the the church leaders.

Humanists pshycology in the church,has replace the godly and biblical counsel of pastors and spiritual leaders. Even true spirituality is counterfeited with new age mysticism. Do i wander why God is angry nowdays with america, not at all.

haydave wrotte:

I think America is in a similar position Spiritually to England was pre 1950s with most people thinking they are Christian and attending church, but with most it is a religious activity with no true conversion.

Hey bro, i could not have said it better, thats really an insight, that i didn't thought about.I believe also that the day america turns its back to supporting Israel and as i understand this is only a matter of time her degradation will be more evident.

According to a sondage that i heard on radio more than 90 percent of jewish population have lost confidence on the Obama administration. So far President Obama has not addressed Izrael directly and so far as i understand he is more concerned with better relationships with arabian countries.

oops, i did not mean to get into politics :-)

I do not understand all this rant against governments and institutional churches or apostasy of the last days. I know that no one else than GOD Himself allows this dillusion to happen.
Everything that God does is perfect, even his judgements should make us fall down and worship him in fearful abandon.

When you read Revelation you see earth being struck with the fierce plagues and indescribable destruction. At the same time you have passages of the most beautiful and highest level of worship of the saints.

We are entering terrible times, but also times where we can make tremendous exploits for God. We are sooo fortunate to have eternal life and those outside, be they in a fallen pseudo church or secular mindset face such a terrible fate. Are our hearts not bleeding for them? How many of them have ever heard a full gospel presentation from us? A sinner can only sin inasmuch as fish can only swim and not walk. How can we expect them to do right when they are utterly unable to.

We have to think in terms of redemption. Oh Lord, have mercy on us, send laborers into the harvest.