Conflict No1. If the woman depicted in the chapter is mary ...and /or Israel and the man child represents the birthing of Christ!!!
Theres those types and shadows again - also
Then we have a problem houston ?? U say - how so ?
Because of the beginning of the wording in revelation chapter four ...is how so ?
" AFTER this i looked (after this) i looked and behold a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which i heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me, which said, come up higher, and i will show you THINGS - which MUST be be HEREAFTER ( HEREAFTER ) HMMM.
Most students of the Word accept that the previous 2 chapters have some past, present, and future to them -- that is to the 7 churches of Asia. But when we come to chapter four it is fairly explicit in the language in that - the angels specifically targets those things that appertain to future events. ( i will shew you things hereafter ...is not a thing that can be dissected - as the language is both simple and literal ...literal in the sense of the events prescribed - must follow after ... and for a time capsule ... in the future.
Conflict resolution no2. If the tradational view is correct and it is mary slash Israel depicted then in order for (that to fit) Mary must flee for a time, and times, and a half time !!! according to the context of the rest of the chapter ... which incidently still comes back before the chapter is concluded to talk about the woman again ( which it is alleged -it is one- (that of Mary) So contextually speaking we have the traditional view placing the woman fleeing for time and times and half a time ....which according to other places in the book of revelation it would strongly indicate and appear that this equals or constitutes that of 3 and half year time period ( 3.5 years )
So running with that line of thought now: What we have is mary and husband Joseph fleeing for 3.5 years approximately (from King Herod) who sought to kill the man child ....as soon as it was born.
But no where in matthew, luke, or mark, is a time frame given at any stage - Nor does it indicate that the serpent/ dragon is doing the chasing! but rather just a mere mortal men -- who on behalf of a worried and perplexed King ...seek to lay hold of the child!
Conflict resolution No 3. We also present another anomoly from all this ... and that is - upon the child being born it is (IMMEDIATELY CAUGHT UP TO GOD - AND TO HIS THRONE)! Nowhere in matthew, mark, luke or John for that matter is there any indication that Jesus upon birth at Bethlehem was transported back to heaven ... so that father could adore and admire (his new born son) from a closer distance ( and im not being facious ).
But the picture we have in revelation chapter 12 is one of a child being caught up to the throne upon immediately being birthed ....
Whilst Jesus however and contrarywise remained firmly on terrafirma ground zero - called earth - and grew up to become a man child. Eventually
Conflict resolution No 4.
In order for the tradional view to be even mildly accurate we would have to have a (seperation of mother and child at birth) .... what do i mean by this?? Well in the chapter what is presented clearly, is -- the man child is caught up to the throne of God WHEN it is delivered! But at (the same time) the woman flees into the wilderness.
" ANd the woman fled into the wilderness where she has a place prepared of God that they should feed her 1260 days ...which is that time, and times, and half a time with 1260 days equaling = 42 months ... which equals = 3.5 years
( REV 12:6 )
CLEARLY THE ONLY TIME JESUS WAS EVER SEPERATED FROM HIS MOTHER AND PARENTS WAS WHEN HE WAS 12 YEARS OLD IN THE TEMPLE AND ASKING QUESTIONS OF THE DRS AND LAWYER - TYPES...
Conflict resolution no 5.
Finally: Personally i believe the war in heaven is still yet to come also and based on the beginning of revelation and chapter four (with the wording) also ( of things that must follow after ) then we see the serpent chase (pursue) after the woman and the remnant of her seed (as being literal) with the the devil (that old serpent) now being (cast down) to the earth Rev 12:13 and losing access to the heavenly realms ( being the prince and power of the air , that he was ) He now like in the past times changes his configuration to that of a great red dragon and as the old serpent of olden times manifests great wrath towards that remaining remnant after not being able to devour the man child! that he was so intensely interested in -- and prior hand. hmmm Do you Think im off base with the configuration thing ??? then think again beloved, For he can appear as an angel of light... if so chooses. Hmmm.
Food 4 thought and truly a selah moment
God bless!!!