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A Deer in headlights moment - School kids taught to praise Obama

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White_Stone Sep 24, 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zrsl8o4ZPo

This was filmed around June 19, 2009 at the B. Bernice Young Elementary School in Burlington, NJ. The school justified this OUTRAGE saying that it was done as part of their "Black History Month" celebration.

The words are difficult to hear but here is an excerpt from the lyrics the schoolkids had to sing in praise to BO:

Barack Hussein Obama
He said Red, Yellow, Black or White
All are equal in his sight
Mmm, mmm, mm!

That is taken from the childrens hymn "Jesus Loves the Little Children"

I thought it was bad enough when he compared himself with Lincoln and JFK - - -
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This is a compilation of comments found on another forum where I found this video posted.

Luke 10:2 Therefore said he unto them, The harvest truly is great, but the labourers are few: [b]pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he would send forth labourers into his harvest[/b].

This is my prayer.

Thank God for the freedoms still remaining to allow me to post this prayer.
Thank God for my Faith & Salvation,
white stone

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ginnyrose Sep 25, 2009

Janice,

I do not remember that teachers ever before praised a sitting president in such manner, do you? You are older them me and ought to know! ;-)

This is so strange it is alarming.

ginnyrose

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White_Stone Sep 25, 2009

You are older them me and ought to know!

Feeling playful, eh?

No, never heard of such a thing. Of course we never set under such a President, either.

white stone

sermonindex Sep 25, 2009

Janice you wrote:

No, never heard of such a thing. Of course we never set under such a President, either.

you're right, we've havent "set under such a President".....one thats African-American.

I really believe that a whole segment of this nation, specifically that part that sits south of the Mason Dixon, just cannot get over the fact that a black man is now the Chief Executive of the United States.

Now this is a political thread, and I was led to believe that such were not encouraged on this forum, unless of course, I'm wrong, and the only political threads permitted are those which trash our President, or call him a "socialist", or question his place of birth.

You know Janice, if you want to trash the President, you can go over to theooze.com and they have forums over there, where political cyberbashes are not only permitted, but encouraged, if you feel the need to continue this line of dialogue, and for anyone that wishes to take me to task for this post, I will not be answering you, so wail away.

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ccchhhrrriiisss Sep 25, 2009

Hi Neil...

you're right, we've havent "set under such a President".....one thats African-American.

I really believe that a whole segment of this nation, specifically that part that sits south of the Mason Dixon, just cannot get over the fact that a black man is now the Chief Executive of the United States.


While I certainly feel that there are probably some people in this nation who dislike President Obama merely on the basis of his race, I don't think that this is reflective of Janice, Ginny or anyone else here at SermonIndex. In fact, racism is quite the taboo in society today. A recent Pew study conducted in the weeks before and after the election actually showed that Barack Obama's racial diversity actually HELPED his status amongst voters.

I am disappointed that some individuals (like Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton) have recently assumed the worst in regard to racism from people who have been participating in rallies or who have publicly questioned some of the President's policies. Many of these protesters are merely in opposition to some of the president's specific policies. There is little indication that race plays much of a role in any of these individuals' motivation. I have heard the accusations that there are "racially explicit" posters and signs found at many of these rallies. However, I have scanned through many of the AP, Reuters and news media photographs looking for any such signs...but I haven't seen a single one (surprising, because a media that largely embraces the president would probably showcase them). Yet, the "race card" is still being raised by several high ranking diplomats.

Regardless, I am sure that there are still some nasty people out there who dislike the president on the basis of his race. Yet, I don't think that is reflective of most of these individuals...let alone anyone here on SermonIndex. I think that you might be reading between the lines just a little too much in Janice's words. It is entirely possible to strongly disagree with the President's words, policies, and goals WITHOUT being motivated by race whatsoever. In addition, it is possible that someone can be upset about this particular topic, in which a group of young school children were required to sing a couple of praising ditties about a sitting President, without being motivated by the color of the man's skin.

I disagree with President Obama on quite a few issues. Of course, he is still the President of the nation in which God has placed me. I will show him respect for the office that he serves while still urging him (and others) to change the political policies that he (and they) might embrace -- such as pro-abortion policies, embrace of homosexual marriage, or even universal health care. No one should mistake such a disagreement as a reflection of racism.

My wife and I are both disappointed with the decision by this school to have children sing the songs. My wife, who has been a public school teacher for over five years, was shocked to hear the words of the song. Even in Texas, her public school rejected any sort of pro-Bush partisan statements during his presidency. She said that they would have NEVER permitted a song like the ones sang by the children in this school to have been sung in the name of President Bush.

Here are the lyrics to both of the songs:

[b]Song 1:[/b]
Mm, mmm, mm!
Barack Hussein Obama

He said that all must lend a hand
To make this country strong again
Mmm, mmm, mm!
Barack Hussein Obama

He said we must be fair today
Equal work means equal pay
Mmm, mmm, mm!
Barack Hussein Obama

He said that we must take a stand
To make sure everyone gets a chance
Mmm, mmm, mm!
Barack Hussein Obama

He said red, yellow, black or white
All are equal in his sight
Mmm, mmm, mm!
Barack Hussein Obama

Yes!
Mmm, mmm, mm
Barack Hussein Obama

[b]Song 2:[/b]
Hello, Mr. President we honor you today!
For all your great accomplishments, we all doth say "hooray!"

Hooray, Mr. President! You're number one!
The first black American to lead this great nation!

Hooray, Mr. President we honor your great plans
To make this country's economy number one again!

Hooray Mr. President, we're really proud of you!
And we stand for all Americans under the great Red, White, and Blue!

So continue ---- Mr. President we know you'll do the trick
So here's a hearty hip-hooray ----

Hip, hip hooray!
Hip, hip hooray!
Hip, hip hooray!

Now, these songs are silly little ditties...but are certainly partisan in nature. The first silly song could be construed as possibly praising Marxian socialism -- straight out of ANIMAL FARM -- with its lyrics about "[i]equal work means equal pay[/i]." The second song, with lyrics that read, "[i]Hello, Mr. President [b]we honor you[/b] today...,[/i]" "[i]Hooray, Mr. President [b]we honor your great plans[/b][/i]...," "[i]So continue ---- Mr. President we know you'll do the trick[/i]..." and "[i]Hooray, Mr. President! You're number one[/i]!" -- just reeks of institutional propaganda.

Race really has nothing to do with our concern about requiring children to sing such a song. My wife told me that it literally reminded her of Soviet Union, 1930s Germany and various third world nations that have required children to sing the praises of their dictators. Of course, the President and his administration didn't have anything to do with these crazy lyrics or the requirement of children to participate in these songs of praise. The song was probably written by some well-meaning teachers who really like the President. However, I don't think that such a partisan song should be required by anyone -- especially young, impressionable children. I also don't think that it should surprise anyone that, given the current divisive nature of politics and policy, some parents would be highly upset by it.

I hope that this makes a little sense.

sermonindex Sep 25, 2009

This may be innocuous enough; cute enough to pass as innocent, but can you imagine the outrage from the left, if George W. Bush were to receive the same honor?


What if songs were composed praising his swift actions against terrorism and his steady call to arms after 9/11 in a like manner?...and sweet little first graders praised him.


Cries of "Mien Kampf" and "My Fuhrer" would ring around the media in tandem for calls of impeachment. This is surely not about race, but arrogance that a political party could be so brazen as to indoctrinate such young children. This president, also, DOES NOT hold Christian values as his creed. Obama represents a non Christian world view; you could say one that resisted Christian values.


Obama also said today that he would not condemn the teachers or the song. Over the top...and in the end, I think this hurts his Presidency.


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White_Stone Sep 25, 2009

Dear Chris and Brother Tom,

Both your replies are appreciated.

Especially this from Brother Tom.

This president, also, DOES NOT hold Christian values as his creed. Obama represents a non Christian world view; you could say one that resisted Christian values.

Alan Keys and Thomas Sowell both criticize Obama. I have respect for those men. There is not a racist tone to my comment, it is directed towards his actions and who he stands with.

However, if you feel better attacking me rather than accepting the truth, that is your choice. There is no truth in that man sitting in the White House.

white stone

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Miccah Sep 25, 2009


Natan4Jesus wrote:



you're right, we've havent "set under such a President".....one thats African-American.

I really believe that a whole segment of this nation, specifically that part that sits south of the Mason Dixon, just cannot get over the fact that a black man is now the Chief Executive of the United States.

Neil. I love you brother, but your continued racist remarks towards other believers is not only uncalled for, it is completely off base and without substance.

Obama is black. You are the only one making an issue of it. Get over it.

(ps, because I know you think this is manly... :-) :-) :-) :-) :-P :-) :-P :-)

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ginnyrose Sep 25, 2009

Neil,

I wish you would get over it when folks say anything you dislike about Obama. And to call us racist!

Perhaps it may be of interest to you that our son voted for Allen Keys in one of the recent elections when he was on the ballot! The last I checked he was a full-blooded black, not a mulatto like Obama!

I had a lot of black clients. They knew I loved them - I never heard anyone of them call me a racist.

If we would be racists, we certainly would not live in a county where 80% of the population is black. We also hold VBS and 80% of those children are black.....

Please Neil, reconsider...

ginnyrose

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ginnyrose Sep 26, 2009

There is one more point I would like to make and that God is not a racist. Well...?

When all men stand before God on Judgement Day he will not cut anyone any slack because of skin color or race or church affiliation. None will matter. All will have to give account on whether we have submitted to the LORDSHIP of Jesus Christ.

All people have to fight the same devil/demons and all have the privilege of fighting this devil with the same tools that God gave to mankind through the power of the Cross and the infilling of the Holy Spirit. Anyone who refuses to do so will experience the severest of judgement and skin color, whether you be white, black, brown or in between, will not matter one twit.

When one laments the sin found in popular churches, whether they be black or white or brown or Jewish, does not mean one is racist. Some churches' culture seem to protect certain perversions and these perversions may vary depending of their theological mindset.

Sin is everywhere and one shouldn't dilute the message of the gospel in deference to the racial mix of the audience. To do so would make you the racist of the worst sort.

Blessings,
ginnyrose

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MaryJane Sep 26, 2009

Greetings Ginnyrose

I really appreciate what you shared here:Sin is everywhere and one shouldn't dilute the message of the gospel in deference to the racial mix of the audience. To do so would make you the racist of the worst sort.
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I have a family member who believes that because of the difficult circumstances of her youth that God will offer some kind of special understand to the sin that she is now living in. She has actually said to me that God will just have to understand and goes on her merry way with her rebellious sinful living. I wonder how many people have been lost because we seem to always want to offer one group or other excuses for their sins instead of being honest and demonstrate love to them by sharing the truth with out conditions.

As for the topic of the thread.I do think that it is not appropriate for children to be singing songs of praise to the sitting president, in fact I believe that singing songs of praise should be reserved for the Lord Jesus alone. I do not believe that it is racists for Christians to take issue with many of the ideas, and governing positions that Mr. Obama stands for. I did not agree with all that was done by Mr. Bush either. I pray for both men to see their need for Jesus equally.

God Bless
mj

Edit: I corrected my post to reflect what I meant and that is that I do not agree with children singing praise songs to the president

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ginnyrose Sep 27, 2009

This morning I had the sense that I need to come back and apologize...

My reply to Neil was made in defense.

What I should have instead said "So, what did I do that causes you to think this of me?" And this I am asking now.

And I apologize for taking the offense I did and I ask your forgiveness...and I hope I will be more careful in the future in how I reply.

God bless all of you...and I now all want what is the best for all...

ginnyrose

sermonindex Sep 29, 2009

Dear Sister Ginnyrose, forgive my delay, I didnt see your post until now. (I'm posting an Israeli video on Hamas) you wrote:

My reply to Neil was made in defense.What I should have instead said "So, what did I do that causes you to think this of me?" And this I am asking now.

my sister, no where in my post did or WOULD I ever say that anyone on this forum was or is racist, not you or sister White Stone, and IF I did feel that anyone harbored such tendencies I would take it to a PM. Never would hurl such accusations publicly against any one poster, who I assume is a brother or sister in Messiah, because anyone on this website is here because their heart is canted to Jesus, thirsting for revival.

So I do "forgive" you, though you didnt do anything of offense to me, you just voiced your opinion, as did others. Some said "get over it", and quite frankly when I see, those three words, I usually know I'm correct in my assessment. When everyone disagrees with me, I usually know I'm on to something.

The fact is, there are many many people in this nation who cannot get over the fact that an African-American sits in the Oval Office. I see this as one of the last "skirmishes" of the Civil War. It doesnt matter WHAT this President does, there is a segment of the population that will always loathe him, it was the same way with the far left and President Bush 43. (I had to "live" with some of those folks, circa 2006-2009, and God spoke with me, and I vowed I wouldnt speak out against President Bush ever again.)

President Obama is not a muslim. Doesn't everyone see now WHY he sought dialogue with the Iranians? The Iranians took this request of our President and they spit in his open hand, they're fools, because NOW we have the goods on them and their desire for nuclear weaponry. So when the time comes to attack this foul brood, the world will see that our President and our Nation took the time and care to SEE if we could reason with the islamic republic of iran, but they were unreasonable.....and the President is NOT anti-military, look at who from the Bush 43 administration stayed on......Secty of Defense Gates, and WHO is the Presidents National Security Advisor, Marine General James Jones......a Marine General! You think any Marine General is some limp spaghetti left wing wimp? (lol)

and the President is NOT a "socialist", every single market, stock, commodity, debt, currency, trades unabated, no segment of our private industry has been "nationalized", and if anyone brings up "bailouts", those started with the Bush administration intent on trying to prevent a total financial meltdown.

I'm just bringing up a few things, I realize they are folks here who do not like the President because in their minds he represents a political party that has no problem with either abortion on demand or same sex marriage. I understand that. Having said that, I dont really feel the Republican party is that serious about ending abortion on demand either, the only folks I feel are serious on this issue are those who read the Bible everyday and believe in the Word as the LIVING Word of God.

I want to say more, but I must tend to business. Thank you for your gracefullness, I took no offense on anyone's posting, although I feel some took offense at mine, though I meant none, just giving voice to what I feel is true.

in Jesus' love, neil

sermonindex Sep 29, 2009

"I thought it was bad enough when he compared himself with Lincoln and JFK - - -"

This is my problem. This video does not implicate Barack Obama in anything, yet the implication here is that he was behind the video. Barack Obama did not compare himself to Jesus in this video. Yet when the link to the video that does not implicate Obama's role in this at all is backed up by a comment like 'I thought it was bad enough that HE COMPARED HIMSELF TO LINCOLN AND JFK' I have to pause as to why this comment is made as Obama himself wasn't comparing himself to anyone in the video.... the teacher did this and seemingly acted on her own. The fact that Obama compared himself to Lincoln or JFK has nothing to do with this video, and this is not uncommon in politics.... Dan Quale compared himself to JFK as well. So what is the relevance of the comment???

I have no problem with the video being presented on the forum. This kind of propaganda is unacceptable and should be dealt with harshly. Whether or not this happens is a guessing game. I'm not a big fan of this administration as they lack the governmental transparancy they promised. But let's be fair as well. There is also a danger in exposing a snippet of propaganda by a teacher and generalizing this as some kind of White House sponsored movement. As scary as this is, I have to put it in some perspective. What gets me more than anything is how people put a messianic label on secular leadership. People have a right to be concerned about this but our battle is not with flesh and blood.


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MaryJane Sep 29, 2009

Greetings Neil

I think that I come away from this seeing a fanaticism in some people for this president that is in some ways scary. Not scary in a worldly sense, but more so for these peoples very salvation. As Christians we are to put "No" man on a pedestal. Jesus alone is our salvation not any person in the government of either party. I hope on that we can say AMEN:-) I think for me this is troubling because young impressionable children are being taught to lift up this man(in this case president obama) and yet they are not allowed to ever mention the name of Jesus in that same class room. This is what is truly sad for me in all of this. I think that in all of this we should be praying for those in government potions of both parties, many profess to love the Lord and to walk with Him, but by their fruit we can clearly see that they do not.

ccrider you wrote:What gets me more than anything is how people put a messianic label on secular leadership.
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I really think this is what I find so troubling. I even know Christians who profess to love the Lord and yet they believe this man can do nothing wrong. To me this is as dangerous place to be spiritually speaking as those that think that all he does is wrong. Pray for Obama as the man God has placed in power, pray for him to see his great need of Jesus but put your faith, trust, and hope in Christ Jesus alone. Just my thoughts on this:-)


God Bless
maryjane

sermonindex Sep 29, 2009

Amen Mary Jane!!!! Well stated.

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ginnyrose Sep 29, 2009

Thanks, Neil.

ginnyrose

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