Are sins forgiven before they are forsaken?

Dude, are you really a broken record? I think you need to get saved. I mean, all you want to talk about is sin and sinning. Out of the abundance of the heart does a man speak. Since you can't help but talk about sinning all the time, I can't help but think you are full of sin.

Have you nothing to say of the goodness and glory of God? Have you nothing to say about a joy unspeakable, and full of glory? Have you nothing to say about the greatness of the love of Christ? Have you nothing to say about the wonderful gifts God has given men? Have you nothing to say about anything that would cause us to put our faith and trust in the Lord Jesus Christ, so as to exhort us to get out of the boat and walk on some water? Perhaps you can tell of the great miracles He has done? Maybe you can tell us something of God's creating of the world?

It is hard to move on to the deeper things of Christianity, when others don't even agree on basic Gospel truth like repentance. You can't go to College until after you have at least graduated Elementary School!

Actually, you can't go onto the deeper things because you don't know the deeper things. Even the writer of Hebrews, who knew his audience was young in their faith and unlearned, went on to talk about the priesthood of Christ and it's relationship to the order of Melchizedek. He refused to hit the same drum over and over. For he realized that the best way to get others to grow was to move beyond the same foundational doctrines being put on repeat mode. Even our Lord when He walked the earth regular taught on things that His disciples simply could not comprehend. Be he taught them anyway, so that when the light finally did click on in their heads, they would begin to walk accordingly.

I've seen numerous essays you have written, constant posts, etc. Never have you ever once shown you understand anything about God other than faith and repentance and faith and repentance. It's all you know, but even that, you don't really have an understanding of. Your moral government theology has crippled your spiritual growth, and made you almost entirely retarded in regard to the things of God.

hi, o curser of darkness... all darkness ... just turn on the light...Jesus...the darkness flees.jimp

Besides, why make more personal attacks? Is it because you cannot refute the Scriptures that I posted? This seems to be a common tactic for many of you guys. I post Scriptures that contradict what you believe, so you resort to name calling, questioning my character, questioning my motives, and questioning salvation.

I'm not seeking to attack you. I'm simply seeking to show you very straight forward that you simply don't know as you ought to know, but pretend to anyway.

Don't turn this thread into a topic about me.

Actually Jesse, it's all about you anyway. It always is about you. Your moral government theology makes you king anyway.

David Wilkerson was right, nobody wants to hear repentance anymore.

And Keith Daniel was right, people call it legalism and bondage. They say we are under grace, not law, and therefore we can live however we want.

There are very few people here on Sermon Index that frequent this fine ministry that don't want to hear about repentance anymore. This is a very repentant group of people, a fine group of saints. And while you are busy quoting Wilkerson or Daniel in support of your position, will you be so quick to quote them when they clearly stand contrary to your moral government theology?

nobody wants to hear repentance
anymore

Maybe because repentance IS NOT the Gospel!!!!

BTW Jesse, don't you have your own forum on which to spread your stuff. Maybe you and logic can hang out there and stroke each others egos about how great you both are.

Ok, that's all from me.

Maybe because repentance IS NOT the Gospel!!!!

Amen!!! The gospel is the good news of Jesus Christ and the prophesied kingdom of God that was long anticipated by the prophets. It's the good news of how Jesus Christ who was crucified for our sins, came back to life after three days, and triumphed over all the kingdoms of this world and all the forces of hell. It's the good news of how we can be delivered from this present evil age as we look forward to the resurrection of the dead, and the ages to come, with Jesus Christ reigning as the center of all things. Yeah... repentance is part of that overall picture. But, the single element is not the story itself.

We all know where this will lead - his holiness truefaithsav will again, out of his ignorance and pride, assume that he is superior to all in this thread as he has done in other threads.

Guys, I think it would be best to leave his holiness truefaithsav alone with himself and his cohorts. Let them boast to each other of how holy they are.

Best stay away from his threads - they all lead to himself.

Again, if you don't believe that forsaking your sins comes before the forgiveness of sins, why can't you explain or refute all the verses I gave? You keep making posts but none of them address the issue.

You'll never forsake your sins unless you believe the gospel. And when you truly believe the gospel, you will forsake your sins. Why? Because you've believed the life altering claims of the gospel. What are those big claims? God has invaded this world through Jesus Christ, died on a cross for my sins, came back to life, and will soon come again. Each of these elements of the gospel, when believed, will drive men to true heartfelt repentance.

This is the beauty and logic of the gospel. I believe the gospel, and Christ has changed my mind and heart, how can I ever be the same again? How can I continue in sin? I was dead, but now I am alive. Everything is different. Old things have passed away, and all thin are now made new. That is the gospel, that is faith, and that is repentance.

Tell me Jesse, when are you going to get saved? You sin from time to time. Therefore, you have clearly not forsaken all of your sins and repented, and have not got saved, according to your logic. In fact, according to your logic, you'll never know if you are going to heaven until you get there.

Do you love God with all your heart soul and mind 24/7?

As well as love your neighbor as yourself 24/7?

Sound words are of no avail to some,but wisdom is known of her children.

Therefore I offer what follows by Bill S. as a contribution to this thread and its readers:

I was there in the chambers and on the streets with them. I saw Jesus waiting in a groom's chamber. The bride was in another chamber. He was preparing to go in to see her. While He delayed, she was drawn to the window and became interested in the activities in the street. The appeal of the street tugged at her harlot heart until she wandered out there herself.

Soon after she walked out onto the streets she was raped. Her shame deceived her into believing that she had no other life but to become a prostitute, which she did. She was in a house of prostitution, locked behind huge, solid-oak, medieval doors. They looked formidable. They were bolted through with a braided kind of thing with copper on it and different kinds of ironwork.

Jesus went looking for her. He knew where she was. As He approached the doors, demons howled and hissed at Him and tried to rush Him, yet were cowardly toward Him. He opened the doors and went in. She was really a mess, and He pleaded with her to come with Him. In her guilt and shame, she refused, and so He left.

He waited a time and visited her again. Still, she wouldn't look Him in the face. Once again, He left her. As He was waiting in His chamber, fires of passion and anger suddenly flashed in His eyes. He stormed out of His chamber and strode down the street, approaching the house where His bride in harlotry abided.

Everyone saw Him coming. They fled to get out of His way. The demons took one look at Him and ran ahead of Him to lock the doors, hoping to prevent Him from entering. Without hesitation or pause in his stride, He hit those doors with the palms of His hands. POW! They exploded. Splinters went everywhere.

He walked in and found her withered in shame. Her face was hidden in her hands. This time was different though. This time He didn't ask her to come with Him. This time He grasped her hand, led her out, and took her back to the bride's chamber while she was still in her filth stained dress.

I could see the passion and love He had for her in His eyes. Jesus saw her only one way. He saw her as a virgin. Yet, she wouldn't even look at Him. He reached out, touched her gently, and lifted her face toward His. Hesitantly, she slowly lifted her eyes to look into His. He saw her beyond her shame and moved her beyond her shame. The moment her eyes connected with His, they were filled with the same passion for Him that He had for her.

I was right in there with them. I could almost see into their faces. I backed off and saw that she had changed. She was beautiful. She had the same radiance as did Jesus. They were one. There was no longing or attraction for anyone or anything other than for one another. She had eyes only for Him. She looked like Him, and He looked like her. They were standing in one light. He was not diminished at all, but she was increased in Him. Even though she looked like Him and had the same fire in her eyes as He had in His, she was still under His feet, still under His authority. That's what made it as beautiful as it was.

NOTE: This would also have just as well been posted on two other current threads, one where John MacArthur and Ray Comfort are being called heretics and the other which asks, 'Was the Apostle Paul a Hypocrite'.