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The Fear of the Lord and despair

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Spitfire Nov 30, 2009

I'm in a strange place, spiritually, right now. It's been coming on me for about 3 years...maybe more. I've been stripped of my American Christianity, which is a good thing, and I've been steadily coming into The Fear of the Lord...But now...I'm just despairing. All the color has drained out of life. I actually fit the description of clinical depression. I've lost interest in things which I used to have an interest in. I've got no hope in this world. I know that I'm born again, but I don't know how to live in this world. I understand that I'm not supposed to live for this life, but I'm still having to do the same things...like work and run my business, support my family, run my home, etc. I'm not in church. I don't fit in there anymore. I've tried to go back several times and it never works out. I just sit there and grind my teeth, squirming in my seat. I'm really scared of the state I'm in. I don't sleep at night and I can hardly pray. I'm sick and I don't know how I got this way! I'm scared. I've tried to pray and find out where I've gone wrong, but honestly, I'm exhausted from this whole thing! I feel lost. I feel like someone who has lost everything and has become homeless and sick and weak. I feel, spiritually, as if I'm laying in a gutter. I can't get up anymore. This is awful!

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AbideinHim Nov 30, 2009

For we would not, brethren, have you ignorant of our trouble which came to us in Asia, that we were pressed out of measure, above strength, insomuch that we despaired even of life:

But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead:

Who delivered us from so great a death, and doth deliver:in whom we trust that he will yet deliver us; (2Corinthians 1:8-10)

Brother, The Apostle Paul and many of the saints of God have been through this dark night of the soul, but it is God's purpose to bring us to the place where we no longer have any confidence in the flesh, but are living by the resurrection life of the Lord.

Mike

sermonindex Nov 30, 2009

HI brother,

Please know that you are not alone. Your story is the same story that I have heard over and over again from Christians all around the world. I believe that their is a seperation going on right now and that the Lord is using hunger and thirst to seperate the sheep from the goats. Please read this piece, its by Tozer http://scottishwarriors.wordpress.com/2009/05/07/are-you-a-lonely-christian/

I have also written many posts on my site in regard to this experience that you are going through. The Lord, I believe, will shortly birth a new thing. It will be a new wineskin to hold new wine. Also , listen to Alan Bartley

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBfija1mT9g&feature=player_embedded

from the Welsh revival conferenece and David Legge. Andrew Strom also believes that there is a new thing coming. Listen as well to Brian Long's sermon at the conference about the presence of God departing from the Temple. I have some of his posts on my site as well. Hang in their brother, find the Lord in all of this, you will find that He will meet all your needs. This desert experience is vital for your walk with Him.

http://scottishwarriors.wordpress.com/2009/07/30/god-is-calling-his-remnant-out-of-the-established-church/

http://scottishwarriors.wordpress.com/2009/08/18/the-gathering-storm/

http://scottishwarriors.wordpress.com/2009/07/07/god-will-strike-his-remanant-people/

http://scottishwarriors.wordpress.com/2009/06/17/the-latter-rain-the-remnants-jouney-to-the-valley-of-acacias/

http://scottishwarriors.wordpress.com/2009/06/05/a-malachi-word/

http://scottishwarriors.wordpress.com/2009/03/24/the-glory-of-gods-presence-is-departing/

All of these posts and the speakers from the conference should answer many of the questions that you have. Now that you have an idea of the bigger picture, press in close to the Lord. Jesus proved His utter dependence upon God the Father in the wilderness,we too must find that place if we are to be of use in the new thing that the Lord is going to birth........Frank

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Browndl Nov 30, 2009

WOW. Precisely where I have been as of late, right down to the thought of "how did I get here?".

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sojourner7 Nov 30, 2009

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom.
Now you need to understand GOD's love and HIS
purpose. Love compels us to die to self, and
live for the glory and purpose of GOD. HIS
purpose is to become more and more like HIS
Son. His Son expressed GOD'S truth, manifested
GOD'S love, and revealed GOD'S glory!! That is
our purpose as well!!

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davym Nov 30, 2009


I'm not in church. I don't fit in there anymore.

I'd encourage you to try and find some fellowship. Pray for a church that you can attend regularly or start a home fellowship with some like minded believers. This is essential for your spiritual wellbeing.

[b]Hebrews 10:25
Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
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God bless

David

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AbideinHim Nov 30, 2009

God does not want to waste any painful experience that we go through as Christians, but He does want us to have an understanding of what we are dealing with.

We must ask God to show us whether the experience that we are going through is a trial of our faith, a chastisement from the Lord, or an attack of the enemy. We are to rejoice in our trials knowing that they are for our benefit. We are to submit ourselves to the chastening of the Lord, knowing that the Lord loves us and desires that we would be a partaker of His holiness. The attacks of the enemy should be resisted in faith.

Mike

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hmmhmm Nov 30, 2009

It does not matter what the occasion of the suffering may be. It may come from our own sins, or poverty, or ill-health, or loss of friends, or separations, or terrible and protracted temptations, or assaults of evil spirits, or the hatred of others, or great disappointment, or divine chastisements; it may come from many of these sources; but let it come from any cause in the universe, if we give it over entirely into the hands of God, and sink ourselves into His will, with a perfect desire for Him to work His best will in us, He will make every pain, every groan, every tear, every particle of our suffering work in us a death to sin and to self and to all things on earth, which will be for our highest perfection and for His glory. G.D Watson

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twayneb Nov 30, 2009

The fear of the Lord is a good thing, a vital thing, and a thing that needs to be restored to the body of Christ. However, one truth from the word of God does not exclude other truths. God intends that we walk in a healthy level of the fear of the Lord, but this should not detract from us also walking in the joy of the Lord. After all, the joy of the Lord is our strength. The word of God never says the fear of the Lord is our strength. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, etc., but it is the joy of the Lord that is our strength. We are also strengthened as we fellowship with like minded believers and encourage one another.

You said you have not attended church in a while. Have you also withdrawn from regular fellowship with other believers? I am not talking about attendance at a regular service, which is important, but I am talking about regularly meeting with other men and women of God for fellowship, prayer, etc.

I tend to agree that if the body you are in effects you the way you describe, you probably need to ask God to help you find a place where there are hungry people seeking God.

I don't think it is God that is causing this in you. The reason I say this is because you are not resting at night and are having a very difficult time praying. Standing in a hunger for God that others don't want is not easy. It is a battle. I am not saying that the journey you are on is one without some bruises and abrasions. I am saying that the journey will not cause you to lose your joy or your prayer life.

My advice is that you desperately need good fellowship with people who are full of the joy of the Lord, and are seeking His will with all of their hearts, not just going through the motions of a double life.

I am praying for you that God will give you joy and strength today.

Travis.

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InTheLight Dec 1, 2009

Dian, I haven't experienced what you're going through so I won't try to offer advice but I will just say, hang in there and I'm praying for you.

In Christ,

Ron

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jimp Dec 1, 2009

hi,both things i am going to share with you come from my relationship with bro ravenhill. when we met i was a jumping jack full of joy with little thought of the dying world around me. after a couple of years of a close relationship ; his burden became my burden to the point where it became overwhelming to me... i had no joy and my life was full of the weight of sin in the world... he told me this story...satan had all his tools on the table and God told him he could only use one and satan quickly grabbed a gray shapless object off of the table...it was despair and i have defeared more with this weopon than all the others... there is a balance in life between joy and burdens... but joy is knowing the love of God is on your life and this strengthens you to face the burdens.jimp

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kathleen1 Dec 2, 2009

I know EXACTLY HOW YOU FEEL. For me it started in 2005, in Dec. of that year. The Scripture Jer 33:3 kept coming to me and would not go away so I just prayed it back to the Lord. "Call unto Me and I will show you great and unsearchable things you know not." (And can't know except He show us) Well, I expected the Lord to reveal something to me that was bad wrong with me, I never expected or understood at the time that Scripture was the heart cry of God to reveal Himself to His people when they are in dark places-as Jeremiah was-locked in a dungeon for the truth he preached.

I have prayed Deu 30:6 for years-for the Lord to circumcise my heart so we would truly love Him. Didn't really understand. Prayed to know Him, to share His heart. But before He can take us to one place (like Israel out of Egypt) He has to create within and around us a discontent, and He works to produce first an understanding that what we see is not all there is, and what the church is is for the most part a misrepresentation. Then I found something that really helped me understand the cry of my heart and what was happening to me. I mean, I sit in a dead church, gritting my teeth, fighting not to think wrong thoughts, crying out to God in absolute misery, hating being there, dreading to go, and not going as much as before, feeling like I don't fit in anywhere and sometimes avoiding reading my Bible fearing what the Lord will show me next. He shows us our hearts, and it causes despair because we see we aren't as much like him as we think. It grieves us cos we love Him. But He has to create a discontent and hunger for reality.

[url=http://timnkat1.tripod.com/id175.html]The Pathway To An Overcoming Life[/url]

Also, I'd recommend reading this:
[url=http://www.schoolofchrist.org/predesk/seeing.html]Seeing God[/url] Both these links will lead you to wisdom taught by BH Clendennen. God has used this teaching to help me understand what was happening to me, and kept me from giving up. Ultimately, it sounds like He is doing a deep work in you, stripping you of churchianity, so He can show you something better-just like He stripped Egypt off and out of Israel-or tried to, so He could lead them into the promised land. He wants to take us where only He can-into His unsearchable depths...don't run anywhere but to Him. If you run to Him and you can't pray, just sit there quietly, He works in the quiet and stillness. Be still and know He is God. Have you heard Carter Conlon's latest message from TSC? [url=http://media.tscnyc.org/wmv/20091129S1.asx]Have You Felt Like God Is Doing Nothing In Your Life? [/url] It's worth watching. May I just say your post greatly encouraged me. I have felt exactly what you are feeling..and I have for the last three years, as well. I have come into a fear of the Lord I didn't learn at church but from seeking Him in His Word...taught by His Spirit. Yet I still failed Him. I still despaired. Struggle with depression and self loathing. But He is faithful. He's doing a work in us. I know He is. We can't go any further. We've exhausted our own strength, and now He has convinced us it's not by our might, or strength, or wisdom, but by His Spirit! (Zec 4:6) God bless you, and keep you.
Kathleen

sermonindex Dec 2, 2009

Hi Dian, Been there and still recovering. I can understand the depression but the sleeplessness is a torment and you are being tormented right now. The other will not go away because it's brought about from the LORD, but the sleeplessness is coming from a different source. I told this to my Pastor about the sleeplessness and he immediately told me to be violent in prayer and to cast whatever that was in my home and especially in my bedroom out. I took an empty plastic container and a dry paint brush and I applied the door ways of each room with the blood of Jesus and I commanded that spirit to leave and I went to the next room and did the same thing and then finally the front door. This was my crude way of dealing with the problem and God honoured that, I was fast asleep in no time and I haven't had that trouble since.

2 Timothy 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

You have the power to overcome and the love of God has been shed abroad in your heart by the Holy Ghost and you have a sound mind because it's the mind of Christ.

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Compton Dec 2, 2009

In my experience, most depression results from seeing something important to you becoming lost or destroyed and having no control or power to affect change. When the things that are the most important to our existance are threatened, we despair of existance itself.

Now, Christians, in addition to experiencing the depression that accompanies hard seasons of life on planet earth, must also wrestle with the deeper fear that our trials and resulting depression prove we are carnal afterall and not worthy of the name "Christian." A Christian may lose a job and not fret too much if he is certain of God's approval. But, sustained trials can often bring into question God's approval of our lives, and then depression is sure to follow. His approval is what is most important to our existance...take that assurance away and life isn't hardly worth living anymore.

Inspite of our deeper Christian insecurities, we need to be willing to consider that the root cause of our depression is probably something earthly. This is a gentle and practical kindness I am offering here, and not a lack of spirituality. In seasons of financial strain, serious health difficulties, or a hopeless family relationship, Christians are no different then other people in their reactions, except we might become mystic or apocalyptic about our feelings.

During depression we might wonder if our disdain for life might perhaps be the work of the Lord in our hearts, prying away our affections for this world. And indeed the Lord is very much at work in our hearts through these things, but I do not believe he is out to produce shriveled gray shadows of what we once were. Rather, I believe the Lords gracious fruit in our souls would be love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no more depressing condemnation.

So, it is worth saying, that when we are sinking is the swamp of despair, the answer is not to add more joy crushing burdens to justify ourselves to God. I am firmly convinced that Jesus is pleased with every peanut butter and jelly sandwhich a tired Christian mother makes for her children, and every muffler pipe a struggling Christian auto-mechanic installs as unto the Lord. We often make Christ's yoke beyond the sphere of our current lives, as if he is scolding us for every ordinary and normal thing we must do in this life. Making peanut butter sandwhiches instead of running off into some spiritual quest often requires more surrender and self-denial then we give credit for.

Now I am not trying to reduce or minimize the terrible confusion that comes with depression.These feelings are very crippling. Indeed, the feelings of confusion are so painful they can lead to a lack of feelings, a kind of numbness and deadness to the world. Confusion is not a sign that your situation is complex, but that you are exausted.

I am also not denying there is a spiritual aspect to this pain. Instead, what I am saying is that the cause of your depression is probably closer to earth then heaven. That we are depressed over something material or physical does not make us unspiritual. This kind of thinking causes us to mask ourselves, which is yet another burden. And there are lot of angry Christians who, in sensitivity to their own pain, would accuse everyone else of living lives of ease and pleasure while the world burns. This is only a surface reality, because inwardly most peoples minds are tormented with vivid fears of modern dangers out of their control such as war, personal poverty, crime, and disease.

The bottom line is that the cause of depression need not be unknown,; it can be human and common, like the loss of a career or becoming emotionally exhausted from carrying too much financial stress. There is no need to make it spiritual or special to justify or sanctify our pain to one another. I think people, especially Christians, are very eager to offer love and support...even if we don't always trust their ability to understand what is actually going on in our lives.

Forgive me if I've overstepped myself here. In the very least, accept it as a snyopsis of my own encounters with depression.

Blessings everyone,

MC

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Spitfire Dec 2, 2009

Well, I'm almost speechless from all these responses to my cry! Thank you to all of you! I needed someone to hear me and you guys did. And I will listen to your recommendations and take heed to your counsel. Bless you all! Dian

sermonindex Dec 2, 2009

Hi Dian,

I came across these when looking for something else in My Utmost For His Highest, and think it probably offers part explanation for the struggle you're enduring.


December 15th.

APPROVED UNTO GOD


"Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." 2 Timothy 2:15

[i]If you cannot express yourself on any subject, struggle until you can. If you do not, someone will be the poorer all the days of his life. Struggle to re-express some truth of God to yourself, and God will use that expression to someone else. Go through the winepress of God where the grapes are crushed. You must struggle to get expression experimentally, then there will come a time when that expression will become the very wine of strengthening to someone else; but if you say lazily - "I am not going to struggle to express this thing for myself, I will borrow what I say," the expression will not only be of no use to you, but of no use to anyone. Try to state to yourself what you feel implicitly to be God's truth, and you give God a chance to pass it on to someone else through you.

Always make a practice of provoking your own mind to think out what it accepts easily. Our position is not ours until we make it ours by suffering. The author who benefits you most is not the one who tells you something you did not know before, but the one who gives expression to the truth that has been dumbly struggling in you for utterance.[/i]

September 30th.

THE COMMISSION OF THE CALL


"Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for His body's sake." Colossians 1:24

[i]We make calls out of our own spiritual consecration, but when we get right with God He brushes all these aside, and rivets us with a pain that is terrific to one thing we never dreamed of, and for one radiant flashing moment we see what He is after, and we say - "Here am I, send me."

[i]This call has nothing to do with personal sanctification, but with being made broken bread and poured-out wine. God can never make us wine if we object to the fingers He uses to crush us with. If God would only use His own fingers, and make me broken bread and poured-out wine in a special way! But when He uses someone whom we dislike, or some set of circumstances to which we said we would never submit, and makes those the crushers, we object. We must never choose the scene of our own martyrdom. If ever we are going to be made into wine, we will have to be crushed; you cannot drink grapes. Grapes become wine only when they have been squeezed.

I wonder what kind of finger and thumb God has been using to squeeze you, and you have been like a marble and escaped? You are not ripe yet, and if God had squeezed you, the wine would have been remarkably bitter. To be a sacramental personality means that the elements of the natural life are presenced by God as they are broken providentially in His service. We have to be adjusted into God before we can be broken bread in His hands. Keep right with God and let Him do what He likes, and you will find that He is producing the kind of bread and wine that will benefit His other children.


Oswald Chambers[/i]


With love.


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elected Dec 2, 2009

Hi Dian,

I hope you will be encouraged to come closer to Jesus and not give hope by the experiences and testimonies of our bro & sis on SI.

I myself have been in a spiritual and mental depression for years and things even became more complicated after i married. I dont have any secret to give to you, i did not had any instantenous deliverance from spiritual depression even though i pleaded with the Lord. I dont understand his ways, but one thing i have never doudted is the unchangable love and his faithfulness to us even when we fail him or sin against Him.

We are in a fight, the devil wants to discourage the believers and bring them down so they will lose hope in God's goodness and mercy. Keep on, dont give up, even though God may chastise you be patient. Dont let feelings run or ruin your life, trust God even when the world seems against you and it seems like no body understands you.

My recovery and restoration has been gradual, i see in a better light now the things of my past. God has been merciful and faithful.

**Edited**

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Spitfire Dec 6, 2009

These quotes by Chambers are so amazing and so true! Thank you for reminding me. I feel like progress is being made in me. I truly do. As painful as it is, I don't want God to stop dragging me down this path to knowing Him. I think, honestly, he's wrenching us away from ourselves. Oh! Ouch! Ahhhhh!

I feel like a lamb being led to the slaughter...that sounds familiar.

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growingholly Dec 7, 2009

i too have felt this. so grateful you posted and i can see the replies, i will also be greatly helped by these. thank you to all.

and be encouraged, keep searching for fellowship. i've been where i am a year today, and God has just given me a church here in the last few weeks.

may God keep us all.

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