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Merry Christmas?....I'm not so sure.

sermonindex Dec 25, 2009

I have been caught up in this holiday for many, many years...but please forgive me...I'm weak. I have children, and mostly I justify my involvement "because of the kids"; my grandchildren.

This year, I have literally became sick. It is of another spirit than mine, and I saw it as entirely hedonistic, and wicked....[ reluctantly..]


I saw none of Jesus...zero. I have always known that it was a pagan holiday [ the resurrection of the Satanic Nimrod and demon worship from the system he instituted..], and that December 25 was the day that all the world bowed down to the devil,......[ read TWO BABYLONS by Alexander Hislop...]...but I thought, "To the pure, all things are pure.


I hope and pray, that this is my last "Christmas" I celebrate... Did you know that Christmas was banned for two hundred years in America, through the holy dictates of the Puritans and Pilgrims, and only began it's comeback in the 1830s or so?? There is a lot of propaganda we are buffeted by, because of the LOVE of MONEY. Did you know that Christmas has become so powerful, that MILLIONS of BUSINESSES either thrive or fail, due to Holiday cash?


Please ask yourself, as I am...[ guilty as I am ..], what good has Christmas done for the cause of Christ??? and what have you seen of the Holy Spirit in it?


How many children are taught that gaudy and omnipotent, omnipresent Santa Claus is God, if but by the de facto idea that he can instantly create gifts for the EARTH in a night, and deliver them....magically. What would happen if we taught our children that Jesus was only half as real as him?...We would shake the world in but a generation later. I think it is kind of a cosmic joke that his name is spelled so close to Satan's; but, can you see how much worship and adoration he receives?


It is also a time where people feel good about themselves, as they may give to the poor, in a dinner, or clothing, on Christmas, while neglecting them every other day. Christmas makes people feel good, and can be merry indeed. I am not so sure, however, how merry Jesus is as He beholds the false worship and hedonism, and sits largely forgotten by all on his Throne, as they sing nice songs about His birth, all in the spirit of Babylon.


By the grace of God, this is my last one. I am grieved, and I hope that next year, I'll make more of a stand than I have. The Lord is dealing with me.

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Lysa Dec 25, 2009

Tom,

Well, I tend to think the Lord agrees with you on this b/c I was reading somewhere last year (in an email?) that the Lord spoke to someone about how last year's Christmas would be the "last great Christmas" the Unites States would see.

And it was. This year, they stretched that friday after Thanksgiving TWO WEEKS BEFORE Thanksgiving and those sales lasted all week rather than one day.

If Christendom will not submit on her own, God will forcibly bring her to her knees and it has begun. And we might as well fortify ourselves (with prayer and fasting) because we are taking the ride with her! By that I mean that Daniel and his obedient friends had to go into captivity right along with the disobedient!

Addtiionally, my family has always called me a scrooge b/c I have never gotten into the holiday. I've always apologized to my sons for not being a Christmassy person, it has always pained me to play along with everyone AND everyone has always made me think that it was "my" fault. I'm going to stop apologizing!

God bless you today, brothertom!

(PS: Moderators - what has happened to the "preview" button??)

sermonindex Dec 25, 2009

I definetly see all the worldy aspects of "christmas". I see how it continues to be more of a money oppurtunity.

However in a way I am glad we have Christmas. It is a powerfull tradition that helps the world to remember that God became flesh and dwelt among us to save us. Then at Easter we celebrate His ressurection.

I say we take as much advantage of these two holidays as we can. Continue to explain the true spiritual side of Christs birth and ressurection.

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crsschk Dec 25, 2009

Merry Christmas everyone.

Mat 2:11

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PaulWest Dec 25, 2009

Merry Christmas to all my brothers and sisters!

Brother Paul

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InTheLight Dec 25, 2009

Merry Christmas everyone.

A very Merry Christmas indeed!

I take great joy in giving gifts. When my children receive my gifts and look up and say "thank you", it makes me very happy.

When my children delight in the gifts I give them and get much enjoyment from them, it makes me very happy.

I will accept His gifts
I will give thanks for His gifts
I will delight in His gifts
I will share His gifts
I will give Him my life

And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
(Luke 2:10-11)

In Christ,

Ron

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JoanM Dec 25, 2009

Merry Christmas dear ones

How can we ever thank Him or praise Him enough?

Oh Merry Blessed Christmas

Made for His pleasure
JoanM

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luthersfaith Dec 25, 2009

Oh, may I truly understand what those words mean.

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White_Stone Dec 25, 2009

What is this ill will towards BrotherTom and his fine post.

It appears to be totally not of the Holy Spirit to take his testimonial and turn it into what he is testifying AGAINST!

It is not easy to change or to accept change. Change of the magnitude that BrotherTom is experiencing can only come about through the Grace of Jesus and much pain - you all have only added to his pain - (to the Glory of Jesus I believe, Praise His Holy Name!)

BrotherTom, You are not alone in your struggle, the Lord is with you. I believe the 23rd Psalm was written to sustain us, and bring us through this life to Him, apply it liberally and often. You can do all things through Christ Jesus which strengthens us.

Praying for you,
white stone

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Areadymind Dec 25, 2009

Just turn it around and support GFA for Christmas.

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PaulWest Dec 25, 2009

I appreciate the sentiments toward Christmas, both the positive and the negative. I would ask however that the naysayers would desist from demonizing this time of the year before others whose consciences allow them to celebrate it as "unto the Lord" (I Cor. 10:31; Col. 3:17; Col. 3:23). If you have certain convictions over these supposed "holy days", keep it to thyself and fellowship with those who hold to likeminded convictions. It is not conducive to scroogify others' time of the this year with their families on account of proliferating the same antichristmas propaganda we hear rehashed again and again each year.

Personally, I hold all days to be the same in Christ. I am thankful for Christmas; it gives me a door to share the real purpose behind the season. I am thankful for Halloween; it gives me a door to share the real reason behind the day. I am thankful for Thanksgiving; it gives me a door to share the [i]real[/i] reason behind the day. I am thankful for Easter; it gives me a door to share the [i]real[/i] reason behind the holiday. God has allowed everything on earth to continue for a reason, and He expects us to respond accordingly - with the final aim of His Son's exaltatation. With this in view, it is easy to be thankful for everything. "In everything give thanks".


I don't know of any born-again Christian who believes Jesus Christ was actually delivered on Dec. 25 in Bethlehem, and I dont know anyone who bows down to and worships their Christmas tree. Just the same, I don't know of any Christian who wears a wedding band that actually believes in the customs of ancient Egypt and Rome, the civilizations where the "wedding ring" first came into tradition, the pagans believing that the third finger had a vein that ran directly to the heart, and that the golden "ring" symbolized the circular union and fertility of life.

Brothertom, I agree with much you've said. We share the same convictions on many things dear brother. If you're this grieved over Christmas, I would definitely not seek to observe it! On the sake token, we can pass from grace to legalism when we project our views upon other brethren who, unlike us, are permitted to celebrate this time of the year "as unto the Lord" with a clear conscience. In other words, speak your convictions and then "bow out" gracefully, lest we be found calling down fire on a target our Captain never designated for destruction (Luke 9:54-55).

Brother Paul

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AbideinHim Dec 25, 2009

Dear Brothers and Sisters,

During this Christmas season in which we celebrate the birth of our Lord and savior Jesus Christ, we are so thankful for each one of you, and for the precious gift that you are to the Body of Christ.

Not only do we rejoice in the birth of the Son of God, but we thank God for the new birth. Christ in you, the hope of glory. Our prayer is that Christ would be fully formed in you.

May the Lord bless you and your families during this Christmas season.


In His Love,

Mike

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HeartSong Dec 25, 2009


Where I live things have pretty much come to a standstill due to the snow - but my heart is rejoicing in my Lord and I am praying that the overflow would pour forth onto all of my brothers and sisters.

Wishing you all a blessed day in Christ!

sermonindex Dec 25, 2009

Brothertom, I agree with much you've said. We share the same convictions on many things dear brother. If you're this grieved over Christmas, I would definitely not seek to observe it! On the sake token, we can pass from grace to legalism when we project our views upon other brethren who, unlike us, are permitted to celebrate this time of the year "as unto the Lord" with a clear conscience. In other words, speak your convictions and then "bow out" gracefully, lest we be found calling down fire on a target our Captain never designated for destruction.

Paul West

Paul: I thought I made it clear that my experience was a personal failure, and why, and sought to show that the holiday in itself had nothing to do with the Lord, in itself. It was much more of a testimony, than "projecting my views upon brethren who are permitted to celebrate...", or "calling down fire on a target our Captain never designated for destruction."

I'll gladly leave that to the reformation fathers who would make my battle-axe look like a toothpick, and named it IDOLATRY, or to the Pilgrim fathers of America who despised Christmas as a true Pagan holiday.

and...

"If you have certain convictions over these supposed "holy days", keep it to thyself and fellowship with those who hold to like minded convictions. It is not conducive to scroogify others' time of the this year with their families on account of proliferating the same antichristmas propaganda we hear rehashed again and again each year."....Paul West

Well, if I feel it may lead them away from the simplicity that is in Christ, or push them away from forms of idolatry, is it right to keep these convictions to myself?...how be it if only in the form of my own testimony?.....The reformation fathers certainly felt this way. Was it "antichristmas propaganda" for them to publish their dissention?


I also thought that I had a right to disagree here on SI, while I expressed my ideas, in a respectful and edifying manner. I'm still struggling with it all, as I posted, and meant no ill will towards any, and am frankly surprised at your response. I didn't mean to rain on anyone's TREE, but just posted an honest conviction that I'm struggling with, and the theological whys'.


And a Peaceful Christmas to all....and it does give some a time to meditate upon the Savior who really was born into humanity, as God Almighty in a manger. WOW!

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Leo_Grace Dec 25, 2009

While I agree with many of the observations of Brothertom and others regarding the worldly aspects of Christmas celebrations, it is really what you make of Christmas that counts. It has always been a special day to celebrate God's love for me and my family.

Last night, on Christmas eve, we had a family Bible study where we read several OT prophesies from Isaiah (Isa 7:14, Isa 9:2-7), Micah (Mic 5:2), and Zechariah (Zec 9:9, Zec 11:13); and we marveled at how these prophetic visions from God came into being centuries later in the birth and life of Jesus Christ.

We were blessed by this recollection of God's love and his sovereignty over the affairs of men. We were also refreshed by this proof that the Bible is a book unlike any other, for within it we see prophesy foretold and fulfilled -- no other book has that -- only God could author such a book.

MERRY CHRISTMAS ONE AND ALL!

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ccchhhrrriiisss Dec 25, 2009

Merry Christmas!

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MrBillPro Dec 25, 2009

Merry Christmas to all the world.

sermonindex Dec 25, 2009

Just for the record. I did go to Maryland (deep snow land), attended church this morning, yes, 25th December! We celebrated Christ Himself, not just His birth. We meditated on John 1.1-14 and Isaiah 9.6. We rejoiced in Christ, worshipped Him and took part in the Lord's Table, enjoyed a love feast...and then came back home. :)

And it was clear to everyone present that we were not celebrating Christmas (as the world celebrates), but we used the occasion to remember the Lord Jesus Christ & worship Him for all that He has been and is being to us! And we gave the gospel and urged some of those present to be born again, according to John 1.12

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savannah Dec 26, 2009

May His Word Speak This Day To This People.

The idolatry the people of God were guilty of thousands of years ago takes on a different form in this 21st century.(The Christ-Mass Lie)

Nevertheless, as God's people were guilty of idolatry then they're guilty of it today.

Jer 7:1-28 The word that came to Jeremiah from the LORD, saying, Stand in the gate of the LORD'S house, and proclaim there this word, and say, Hear the word of the LORD, all ye of Judah, that enter in at these gates to worship the LORD. Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, Amend your ways and your doings, and I will cause you to dwell in this place. Trust ye not in lying words, saying, The temple of the LORD, The temple of the LORD, The temple of the LORD, are these. For if ye thoroughly amend your ways and your doings; if ye thoroughly execute judgment between a man and his neighbor; If ye oppress not the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, and shed not innocent blood in this place, neither walk after other gods to your hurt: Then will I cause you to dwell in this place, in the land that I gave to your fathers, for ever and ever. Behold, ye trust in lying words, that cannot profit. Will ye steal, murder, and commit adultery, and swear falsely, and burn incense to Baal, and walk after other gods whom ye know not; And come and stand before me in this house, which is called by my name, and say, We are delivered to do all these abominations? Is this house, which is called by my name, become a den of robbers in your eyes? Behold, even I have seen it, saith the LORD. But go ye now to my place which was in Shiloh, where I set my name at the first, and see what I did to it for the wickedness of my people Israel. And now, because ye have done all these works, saith the LORD, and I spoke to you, rising early and speaking, but ye heard not; and I called you, but ye answered not; Therefore will I do to this house, which is called by my name, in which ye trust, and to the place which I gave to you and to your fathers, as I have done to Shiloh. And I will cast you out of my sight, as I have cast out all your brethren, even the whole seed of Ephraim. Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up cry nor prayer for them, neither make intercession to me: for I will not hear thee. Seest thou not what they do in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem? The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink-offerings to other gods, that they may provoke me to anger. Do they provoke me to anger? saith the LORD: do they not provoke themselves to the confusion of their own faces? Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, my anger and my fury shall be poured out upon this place, upon man, and upon beast, and upon the trees of the field, and upon the fruit of the ground; and it shall burn, and shall not be quenched. Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Put your burnt-offerings to your sacrifices, and eat flesh. For I spoke not to your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt-offerings or sacrifices: But this thing I commanded them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well to you. But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward. Since the day that your fathers came forth from the land of Egypt to this day I have even sent to you all my servants the prophets, daily rising early and sending them: Yet they hearkened not to me, nor inclined their ear, but hardened their neck: they did worse than their fathers. Therefore thou shalt speak all these words to them; but they will not hearken to thee: thou shalt also call to them; but they will not answer thee. But thou shalt say to them, This is a nation that obeyeth not the voice of the LORD their God, nor receiveth correction: truth hath perished, and is cut off from their mouth.

Deut. 7:1-11 When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perrizites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou; And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee, thou shalt smite them and utterly destroy them, thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor show mercy to them: Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give to his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take to thy son. For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly. But thus shall ye deal with them; ye shall destroy their altars, and break down their images, and cut down their groves, and burn their graven images with fire. For thou art a holy people to the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people to himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth. The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people: But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn to your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you from the house of bond-men, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt. Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, who keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations: And repayeth them that hate him to their face, to destroy them: he will not be slack to him that hateth him, he will repay him to his face. Thou shalt therefore keep the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which I command thee this day, to do them.

1 Kings 12:32 And Jeroboam ordained a feast in the eighth month, on the fifteenth day of the month, like the feast that is in Judah, and he offered upon the altar. So did he in Beth-el, sacrificing to the calves that he had made: and he placed in Beth-el the priests of the high places which he had made.

1 Kings 12:33 So he offered upon the altar which he had made in Beth-el the fifteenth day of the eighth month, even in the month which he had DEVISED OF HIS OWN HEART; and ordained a feast to the children of Israel: and he offered upon the altar, and burnt incense.

Devised - Which he appointed without any warrant from God. (Wesley)

WARRANT, n.

1. An act, instrument or obligation, by which one person authorizes another to do something which he has not otherwise a right to do; an act or instrument investing one with a right or authority, and thus securing him from loss or damage; a word of general application. (Webster)

3. Authority; power that authorizes or justifies any act. Those who preach the gospel have the warrant of Scripture. We have the warrant of natural right to do what the laws do not forbid; but civility and propriety may sometimes render things improper, which natural right warrants.

4. A commission that gives authority, or that justifies.

5. A voucher; that which attests or proves.

6. Right; legality.

Matt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatever I have commanded you: and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the world. Amen.

Teaching them to observe all things, whatsoever I have commanded you. To make the command of Christ their rule. There is a law of faith, and we are said to be under the law to Christ; we are by baptism bound, and must obey. To observe what Christ has commanded. Due obedience to the commands of Christ requires a diligent observation; we are in danger of missing, if we take not good heed: and in all our obedience, we must have an eye to the command, and do what we do as unto the Lord. To observe all things, that he has commanded, without exception; all the moral duties, and all the instituted ordinances. Our obedience to the laws of Christ is not sincere, if it be not universal; we must stand complete in his whole will. To confine themselves to the commands of Christ, and as not to diminish from them, so NOT TO ADD to them. (Henry)

whatsoever I have commanded you; every thing that Christ has commanded, be it what it will, and nothing else; for Christ's ministers are not to teach for doctrines the commandments of men; or enjoin that on the churches, which is of their own, or other MEN'S DEVISING, and was NEVER ordered by Christ; (Gill)

Matt. 15:9 In vain they do worship me, etc. - By the traditions of the elders, not only the word of God was perverted, but his worship also was greatly corrupted. But the Jews were not the only people who have acted thus: whole Christian Churches, as well as sects and parties, have acted in the same way. Men must not mould the worship of God according to their fancy - it is not what they think will do - is proper, innocent, etc., but what God himself has prescribed, that he will acknowledge as his worship. However sincere a man may be in a worship of HIS OWN INVENTION, or of man’s commandment, yet it profits him nothing. Christ himself says it is in vain. To condemn such, may APPEAR to some illiberal; BUT whatever may be said in behalf of sincere heathens, and others who have not had the advantages of Divine Revelation, there is NO EXCUSE for the man who has the Bible before him. (Adam Clarke)

But in vain do they worship me,.... In the Hebrew text it is, "their fear towards me": which is rightly expressed here by "worship"; for the fear of God often intends the whole worship of God, both external and internal: here it only signifies external worship, which these men only attended to. They prayed in the synagogues, read, and, in their way, expounded the books of Moses, and the prophets, to the people, diligently observed the rituals of the ceremonial law, brought their offerings and sacrifices to the temple, and neglected nothing appertaining to the outward service of it; and yet it was all "in vain", and to no purpose; since the heart was wanting, no grace there, they acted from wrong principles, and with wrong views; their worship was merely outward, formal, and customary; and BESIDES, they ADDED doctrines and TRADITIONS of THEIR OWN INVENTING AND DEVISING. (Gill)

Many other such like things ye do, Mark 7:8. Note, SUPERSTITION is an endless thing. If one human INVENTION and INSTITUTION be admitted, though SEEMINGLY ever so INNOCENT, as this of washing hands, behold, a troop comes, a door is opened for many other such things. A special means to soundness in the faith is to turn away the ear from FABLES and the fancies of men. (Henry)

Tit 1:14 Not giving heed to Jewish FABLES, and commandments of men that turn from the truth.

14 And may not listen to Jewish fables He now shews in what “sound faith” consists — when it is NOT CORRUPTED by any “FABLES.” But in guarding against the danger he prescribes this remedy — not to give ear to them; for God wishes us to be so attentive to his word, that there shall be no entrance for trifles. And, indeed,when the truth of God has once gained admission all that can be brought against it will be so tasteless, that it will not attract our minds. If, therefore, we wish to preserve the faith uncontaminated, let us learn carefully to restrain our senses, so that they may not give themselves up to strange contrivances; for, as soon as any person shall begin to listen to fables, he will lose the purity of faith.

ALL trivial INVENTIONS he calls “fables,” or, as we would say, “trifles;” for what he immediately adds, about “the commandments of men,” has the same meaning. And he calls those men enemies of the truth who , not satisfied with the pure doctrine of Christ, MIX up with them their own fooleries; for ALL that MEN OF THEMSELVES CONTRIVE ought to be accounted “fabulous.”

He attributes this vice chiefly to the Jews, because, under the presence of the divine law, they introduced superstitious ceremonies. The Gentiles, being aware that they had been wretchedly deceived during their whole life, more easily renounced their former course of life; while the Jews, having been educated in the true religion, OBSTINATELY DEFENDED the ceremonies to which they had been accustomed, and could not be convinced that the Law had been abrogated. In this manner they disturbed all churches, because, as soon as the gospel began to make its appearance anywhere, they did not cease to CORRUPT its purity by MIXING it with their leaven. Accordingly, Paul not only FORBIDS them, in general terms, to degenerate from sound doctrine, but points out, as with the finger, the present evil which needed to be remedied, that they may be on their guard against it. (J.C.)

There are a multitude of enemies to the Truth about the Christmas LIE, even as Nehemiah encountered when building for God according to the Truth of His Word.

Neh. 6:1 Sanballat and Tobiah and Geshem the Arab and the rest of our enemies...

But the prophet was steadfast in his answer, Neh. 6:4 And they sent to me four times in this way, and I answered them in the same manner.

The prophet answers again, Neh. 6:8 Neh 6:8 Then I sent to him, saying, "No such things as you say have been done, for you are inventing them out of your own mind." (ESV) And I send unto him, saying, `It hath not been according to these words that thou art saying, FOR FROM THINE OWN HEART THOU ART DEVISING THEM;(YLT)

The same Hebrew words are used by Nehemiah to describe their Lie as in 1 Kings 12:33 "So he offered upon the altar which he had made in Beth-el the fifteenth day of the eighth month, even in the month which he had DEVISED OF HIS OWN HEART;..." to describe this Lie Jereboam instituted as a feast (festival) day for the people of God.

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Giggles Dec 26, 2009

Areadymind, that's really funny if that's in regards to another recent thread about GFA.

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