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How do we know when God has given up on us?

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Jdl Dec 26, 2009


Hi everyone, hope you all had a great holiday...I was wodnering about the concept of God giving people up...I'm frightened because I fear that may be my case...Sometimes my heart feels so hardened that I don't even have a sense of conviction...Sometimes my head feels so out of reality that I barely think straight on spiritual matters...and sometimes I just don't feel like seeking after God and trying to find Him...what can I do? How do I know if I have been given up? It's an awful feeling...has anybody been thru this?

sermonindex Dec 26, 2009

Do you believe these words?

Hebrews 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I WILL NEVER LEAVE YOU NOR WILL I ABANDONED YOU.
If you say yes, then my question is, What is your problem?

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flameoffire Dec 26, 2009

I have felt like you do many times before in my battle with besetting sin. But God is faithful. You will leave Him without a care in the world long before He will leave you. David also struggled with these thoughts many times throughout the psalms (look at Psalm 6 and Psalm 13) because of the fear he had over his sin and the knowledge that he had forsaken fellowship with God. God is faithful to answer the penitent. Cry out to God and seek Him in His word. Worship Him and seek His presence. The bottom line is that God is awesome, holy, faithful and true and deserves our worship. Move forward in that thought and seek him regardless of your anxieties. You will find him.

sermonindex Dec 27, 2009

brother i know what your going through. I myself am still struggling, i guess it is the lack of his presence, i don't know why he just can't come to help right now when we cry to him. I have been crying for 2 years in someways he has answered but in others i am still feeling like a lost person. But brother i higly recommend you read the book from that great saint john bunyan called grace abounding or even augistines confessions maybe they will help. Especially john bunyans it wil make you smile because he went through the same thing.

sermonindex Dec 31, 2009

I feel like the more i have sought him the more hardened i get too, know when has an answer to this, i disagree with faith, i believe it is only by the power of the holy spirit that we can believe not by us, because if it was in our hands i would have believed already.

sermonindex Dec 31, 2009

Silo has been in several times starting posts in utter disbelief, and I know exactly where he is at because I have been there many times and only a quick shot of the word to remind us that we are not alone and that God is right there for us, if we only bend towards Him instead of our self pity of "oh woe is me". God has never wallowed with me in that. He'd let me have my tantrum but when I settled down, then He speaks peace to my spirit and I hear that the word of God is truth. Now I can push it away and continue in my unbelief, or I can begin to accept it and begin again. There is nothing wrong in starting over again. It doesn't matter if a car has been in storage for any length of time, it still needs to be tended to in order for it to start properly. So it is with us, we need faith in order for us to start properly and it will always require faith, anything else is sin.

For Silo, he needs a good swift kick of faith to jump start him into the world of believing instead looking at his surroundings. And believe you me, I am speaking to the choir here. We can't afford to go back down to this lower nature and feed on the dregs of lifeless fruit. We need to feed on faith. And I, having been down for the count on many occasions understand the plight of those who have been knocked down by sin or by someone beating up on the saints. There is an element of mercy that we must show, however, it's not the type for us to wallow in it with our fellow brethren, it's the type of mercy that is mixed with faith that draws us up out of that miry clay and so we can stand properly on that Rock to stay. He put a song in my soul today, a song of praise hallelujah.

So lift up the head that is hanging low and and let us go against how we feel and praise God anyway. Even if all we can conjure up is a 'sigh', that too is good. Psalm 103 says:

[10] He hath not dealt with us after our sins; nor rewarded us according to our iniquities.
[11] For as the heaven is high above the earth, so great is his mercy toward them that fear him.
[12] As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.
[13] Like as a father pitieth his children, so the LORD pitieth them that fear him.
[14] For he knoweth our frame; he remembereth that we are dust.

If we can say anything, we can sing that song of gratitude,

"I'm so happy and here's the reason why, Jesus took my burden all away"

BECAUSE

"He took my sins away, He took my sins away, and keeps me singing everyday, I'm so glad that He took my sins away, He took my sins away."

We must remember Silo that the journey that Jesus took in this life we are following Him in that same journey. There will be times when we are low, He was low. "A man of sorrows and acquainted with grief." There were times that He was happy. Can you imagine the surge of excitement when someone with faith shows up and says, "just speak the word LORD and I know it's done". And He had that foreknowledge, but there were times that He marveled too. I find that amazing. He knew it anyway, but still His mind was boggled.

Have you ever watched a child do something that just boggled your mind? It's funny to watch because you see this small creature do something that you'd never expect to happen. Children don't see things that are impossible, they just do. We make it impossible for them if it involves danger, and we'll protect them. While others simply stunt their possibilities altogether to which they give up trying to do anything because they are hindered from advancing.

But we who are of the faith are not hindered, unless it's a besetting sin, and most times it's a besetting sin. In ministry it can be sin, but there are also opposing forces.

Sin does one thing for us that I am glad is evident, it doesn't satisfy. It's only when we are sick and tired of being sick and tired, that is when we stand up against the thing that is not making us satisfied and move toward a source that will continually satisfy, our LORD God.

sermonindex Dec 31, 2009

thank you deepthinker

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PaulWest Dec 31, 2009

Brethren,

There is a principle in the spiritual that we all must go through as part of the maturation process in God. Unfortunately, you never really hear about this truth in sermons or books, except by ministers who have gone through the fires of failure and trials in God's school and have come out the other side "refined" and able to comfort others by the comfort wherewith they themselves are comforted by God (2 Cor. 1:4).

The truth is simply this: a deepening awareness of God's grace is often wrought by immense personal failure, often repeated over and over before victory through faith is gained. God will allow that one "besetting sin" to remain, to torment you, to keep you humble, to keep your face in the dirt while He continues to do a slow but necessary work in your heart. All of this is part of the process of conformity to Christ. It is painful, distressing...and sometimes downright fearful. There are times where you'll believe you've truly reached the end of grace and passed the point of no return, only to have God suddenly fill you afresh with the Holy Spirit and comfort you with the assurance of His still-abiding presence. Such amazing grace, love and mercy is soul-staggering and designed to bring you to true repentance through His divine goodness.

The Christian walk is a daily sojourn through Vanity Fair. It's an adventure in the truest sense, filled with pitfalls and delights, temptations and mirages, false brethren, traps, flesh-wars and spiritual assaults lurking potentially around each turn in the trailway. God allows us to often fail temporarily to these hinderances in order to wean us off relying on our own resources to "keep us saved" and prove the truth behind verses like Philippians 3:9; Philippians 1:6; Galatians 5:16; Philippians 2:13; I Peter 1:5 et cetera.

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AbideinHim Dec 31, 2009

I can't really improve on what Deep Thinker has already said, but as I was deleting some of my old E-mails, I ran across a message given by David Wilkerson in 2007 on "Dry Spells". I am going to send this message out in a seperate post, because I believe that there are many Christians that are going through a "dry spell" right now. There are many reasons for this, but God's ultimate purpose is to bring us into enlargement and greater fruitfulness. God is working all things for the good of those that love Him and are called according to His purpose. (Romans 8:28).


Mike

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AbideinHim Dec 31, 2009

The post by Paul West has been my personal experience, and at times it really looked like I was finished, going down for the count, where I seemed to have lost all of my faith. Praise God that He is faithful, and where sin did abound, His grace did much more abound. I am thankful that the Lord has brought me into a place of victory, but it was in my darkest hour that He revealed His amazing grace to me.


Mike

sermonindex Dec 31, 2009

Mike said:

but it was in my darkest hour that He revealed His amazing grace to me.
Yes Amen! I hear that loud and clear. It's here in this place that God reveals His word to me. In darkness and obscurity the light of His word is revealed.

sermonindex Jan 1, 2010

You know brethren i understand everything you our saying and i don't question od can do anything at all, but my situation just keeps getting worse for amost 2 years that i have been seeking God for forgiveness and getting closer to him. I mean i have sought God more than i ever have but in doing so my heart has unwillingly grew hard towards God, i have lost my faith in Christ if i even have had true faith in Christ to begin with, i know i didn't have true faith in his finished work on the cross because my first 5 years when i thought i was a christian i had no idea what that meant and true salvation. I have tried to just have faith but i just can't rest in it, satan just comes and continually attacks me and God has not intervened.Why would God let my heart become hard and myself lose faith in Christ, i have hard time now just believing in God without the enemy blocking my mind, i mean i know i want to surrender and believe with all my heart but it is like i am blocked,i know this is for jdl but i just can't get my own things to work out. I want to believe that Jesus is the son of God and have eternal life and live for Christ like i had nothing else to live for, but i feel just incapable. I did pray that God would reveal my sin to me and bring conviction upon me of my wickedness and during this time this is what happened. I also have noticed that i have hatred in my heart towards many people and i even noticed my heart seems to like to hear bad things happen, and it makes me sick but its like i want it. Is this apart of God showing my wickedness or what, because if you seen my mind and heart you would not like me. I have been overly selfish and seem to just not care anymore, i have lost almost all of my desire to read Gods word and to fellowship and go to church. After the revivaal conference i seriously felt the holy spirit speaking to me again but it left. But i mean do i have to literally have to go through this much and still get nothing from God. For the first time in my life i understand the cross, the holiness of God which i didn't know the first almost 5 years as a supposed to be a christian, but i just hope its not to late. I don't question at all that the holy spirit awakened me but i fell so bad and i see truly converted christans just growing and growing while i fall and fall and lose my faith. I want the Lord.John

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hmmhmm Jan 1, 2010

I want to share two sermons and transcripts to the sermons so you all can read along while listening, these two sermons have helped me greatly in dark times. I am sure they will help you to, i encourage you to listen and read. They are not very long.

[url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=19506&forum=34&1]He Ever Liveth to Make Intercession[/url]

[url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=19494&forum=34&6]
Resurrection: A Living Personal Reality[/url]

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wind_blows Jan 1, 2010

Hey john

I read your post and I know this has been an on going thing for you. I do not want to come off harsh toward you so please know that what I am writing is done in love for you. If you take the time to reread what you have written look at how many times you use the word "I". It seems that your focus is very much on self and not on the Lord at all? Maybe its time to stop looking at yourself as a victim of your situation and start praying and spending time in the Bible seeking to get to know Jesus the person? Make Jesus the focus of your life, look to all that He has done for you and continues to do for you daily. God does not give up on us and He does not turn us away when we are truly seeking Him.

Please know that I will keep praying for you.

your little sis in Him
wind_blows

sermonindex Jan 2, 2010

that was not harsh at all, you may be right, but when i read the word of God satan starts speaking to me and saying look theirs contradictions or hey this couldn't have happened etc., please pray for when i read the word of God that God will block satan from interfering. John, thanks hhhhmmmm

sermonindex Jan 2, 2010

well i just listened to the one about the iron and borrowing from someone else. That was really good, at first glimpse his voice seems to turn me off but i read and listened, how deep he is, one of the deepest i have ever heard. I don't think i borrowed maybe some of my views, i do know i experienced Christ, but it was very encouraging, thank you.

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A-Run Jan 2, 2010

Hi

I think some of the saints have given good replies.

But, i know 'one thing' that it is not the will of God for us to continue in those 'dark periods' for long time. Its true that many of us do experience some periods like that- but as 'Paul West' said- it is the way that God leads us and strengthens us(Psalm23)- but at the same time, God is wanting to lift us up always.

I think you need to take out time to spend time in prayer and reading of the Word of God and ask God to lift you. And do this in Faith and He will touch you (Matthew21:22).
Also, you need to continue to 'Watch & Pray' so that you are consistent in your spiritual life.

One of the things i believe is: If there is one person in the whole world who is for me in all my struggle, then that is Jesus Christ!
And if my struggle is against sin and the devil, then i can be absolutely sure that Jesus is with me and for me(Hebrews ch2 and ch4).

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Giggles Jan 2, 2010

We know God has given up on us only after death and were we to find that we were indeed not His. Until that moment, death or the Judgment Seat, He has not given up, and surely we should not.

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hmmhmm Jan 2, 2010

at first glimpse his voice seems to turn me off but i read and listened, how deep he is, one of the deepest i have ever heard. I don't think i borrowed maybe some of my views, i do know i experienced Christ, but it was very encouraging, thank you.

I to for a long time though T.A Sparks way of preaching was dull, i to was turned off. I had only listened to "fiery" preaching a la ravenhill, washer and so on. But i am so thankful i listened just as you did anyway, i learned something, God speaks to "fiery" preachers that get passionate and raise their voice to communicate Gods word, but some of the deepest things i heard was through a still small voice like sparks. I think he was the greatest preacher to the church during the whole 1900s. But i find just as with Art Katz he requires your full undivided attention, if you "dream off" for five minutes you miss the whole message. So i am convinced it will do is a great good to learn how to "hear" Gods word in all its forms, anyone who learns to listen to Sparks will gain so much.

God bless you all

Christian

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Lysa Jan 2, 2010


Jdl,

This is an excellent sermon and I believe it is right up the alley of what you need (well, what we all need brother!). I hope you can find some quiet time and give all your attention to this.

[url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/singlefile.php?lid=4280&commentView=itemComments]The Spirit of Grace and Power[/url] by Zac Poonen

Zac says in it that, "We don't get revelations by studying the Scriptures or greek and hebrew, over and over; we get revelations from the needs in our life and when we seek God out of those needs."

God bless you, I believe this sermon will bless you if you give it a chance!!

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