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Is the bible to be taken literally?

sermonindex Feb 11, 2010

Luke 9:57
The Cost of Following Jesus

As they were going along the road, someone said to him, "I will follow you wherever you go." And Jesus said to him, "Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay his head." To another he said, "Follow me." But he said, "Lord, let me first go and bury my father." And Jesus said to him, "Leave the dead to bury their own dead. But as for you, go and proclaim the kingdom of God." Yet another said, "I will follow you, Lord, but let me first say farewell to those at my home." Jesus said to him, "No one who puts his hand to the plow and looks back is fit for the kingdom of God."


How is this verse to be interpreted? I'm listening to a lot of Francis Chan's messages and I feel that God wants everything but I rarely see this in churches or what not.
To me everything means EVERYTHING.

What is everything and how do you discern when it's too much? I'm really struggling with how much prayer/bible God wants to partake in? For example, does He want someone to quit his job and read/pray all day and rely on God supernaturally to feed him?

And when is it too little? When are you lukewarm? I'm a man of extremes and lost my job(laid off) but I feel that God is telling me not to look for a job. I feel that God has given me this time to seek Him because I hated my job and I wanted out. This is my wilderness period. My unemployment benefits will end and I'm pretty sure I'm not suppose to go to the field I was in. I might be more fitted for a social injustice ministry of some sort.

To add to this, I went to Onething(IHOP)and got prophesied that I will "bring divine ideas to the corporate environment". They were right, God has given me a gift of good ideas and innovation in business environments. But a pastor prophesied that I will do Jesus's ministry because I have a heart for the poor and the less fortunate.

He does not think my calling is for business. Can God call me to do both?


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enid Feb 11, 2010


Which verse do you mean? Do you refer to Luke 9v57 which you have quoted?

God gave of His Son, His all. We, as His children, should do the same.

I don't know if you are male or female, married or unmarried, or what your situation is. However, obedience to the word of God is paramount. For it was to the apostles, as seen in Acts 6v4 where they gave themselves to prayer and the ministry of the word.

God bless.

sermonindex Feb 11, 2010

I think the verse sums it up. But I'm talking about the whole all or nothing mentality Jesus displays in the Gospels. He is pretty harsh about all or nothing. How literal is that all or nothing?

I'm 30,male, single, no kids.

Previous work was in busines strategy/business analyst in charge of profit/loss for sectors, a numbers guy with a business side.

No gf at the moment, previous gf's were all not christian or weak christians. I'm new to dating the christian way which is really praying about it and waiting and not letting emotions/hormones control you first. Wanted to get married later like my bosses but since I came back to God, realized that I should think about getting married the way God designed it.

I came back to christ about 4 months ago and was not living an at all christian life in the last 6 years or so.

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that's what I hear but a friend of mine jokingly says it's dangerous. It might not be something I want to hear. I'm not dating anyone right now so I'm gonna wait a week on that one but I will get to it.

The more pressing issue is that on top of all this. I developed health issues. I developed high blood pressure over the last year and I'm currently on meds. The doc told me that I have to lose the 25lbs I gained over the last 5 years and it should go away. I'm running out of meds and cobra got screwed up because the company I worked for merged with another company.

But I feel that God is telling me to not worry about this. I'm in the wilderness and he is telling me to wait and be still. My vision is getting blurry which is a symptom that I might get diabetes and I might have glaucoma(a rare chance) but still a possibility.

Everything is falling apart and God is telling me to wait and be still, seek me.

and I'm wondering what I should do. I want to look for a job. Go on a major diet. Get health insurance but I feel that God is testing me and He wants to see if I really trust Him.

What do I do?

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enid Feb 11, 2010

Quote: 'What do I do?'

What you have already said. You said God is telling you to wait and be still and to seek Him.

So, do just that.

No one can tell you what to do. You can also seek advice from godly men who fear God. But even then, it is only advice, what you do is in your hands.

Simply be obedient to God and His word and He will direct you.

God bless.

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Goldminer Feb 11, 2010

This is a very impotant subject. And I believe that it should be taken literally. When He calls we forsake all and follow Him. However he requires different things from difference followers. Take Paul for instance. He preached the gospel and wrote much of the New Testament, but he was still employed as a tent maker. It is an individual thing based on what God speaks to us. And as far as prophecy goes it needs to witness with what God has spoken to you.

I would suggest you read this "The Cost of Discipleship" by Dietrich Bonhoeffer. It is filled with insight into your question. It is one of the best books I have ever read and will surely have some answers for you. Here is a link so you can read it online.

http://www.crossroad.to/Persecution/Bonhoffer.html

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Goldminer Feb 11, 2010

"The more pressing issue is that on top of all this. I developed health issues. I developed high blood pressure over the last year and I'm currently on meds. The doc told me that I have to lose the 25lbs I gained over the last 5 years and it should go away. I'm running out of meds and cobra got screwed up because the company I worked for merged with another company.

But I feel that God is telling me to not worry about this. I'm in the wilderness and he is telling me to wait and be still. My vision is getting blurry which is a symptom that I might get diabetes and I might have glaucoma(a rare chance) but still a possibility."


I had some of the same issues. I had blurry vision and thought all the same things you said, but finally went to the eye doctor and guess what, I just needed glasses with the correct prescription. It would seem that computers really put stress on the eyes. I was having lights with reflections at night and bluriness so bad I could hardly read, even with my reading glasses. Well with a new set of the right glasses that is all gone. I had been praying about all this and figured God would just heal my eyes, but He has answered my prayer by glasses. I can see great now and no problem with night vision. Hey all my fears about diabetes and glaucoma were just that, fears. He has not given us the spirit of fear, but of love, and of power, and of a sound mind. Since you don't have to worry about feeding anybody else try eating mostly fruits and vegetables and a small amount of lean meat. Get the bad stuff out of your house so you won't be tempted. I can drop weight fast, and real easily, by doing this. Make fruit smoothies. I will tell you this even helps your vision. Carrots really are great for the eyes because of vitamin A.

I will be praying for you brother.

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Giggles Feb 11, 2010

that's what I hear but a friend of mine jokingly says it's dangerous. It might not be something I want to hear.

Jesus is dangerous.


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Goldminer Feb 11, 2010

On further inspection the link I gave you isn't the entire book but this is:

[url=http://www.questia.com/PM.qst?a=o&d=11776095]Bonhoeffers The Cost of Discipleship[/url]

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Ceri Feb 11, 2010

Hi Codek
Can I please advise you to take mens prophesies over your life with a pinch of salt! You have ears to hear what the Lord wants in your life - a prophesy will confirm what God has already spoken to you, not the other way around, this has to be one of the most misused and abused gifts, don't forget that all gifts can be counterfeited - but you cannot counterfeit the fruit of the spirit. This is why we know God's people by their fruit and not their gift.

We do not have a relationship with someone and then get a third person to pass on a message of importance - we talk direct, the same with God, He will lead you personally as you grow close to Him and learn to recognise His voice.

I have seen lives ruined because of prophesies with supposed direction from God that was followed because someone said 'the Lord says to you' - don't make big decisions until the Lord speaks to you personally.

No, God does not want a man to quit his job and read and pray all day - That is irresponsible and places added burdens on those who would have support you - even the Devil finds work for idle hands!
I'm sure many Christians would love the opportunity to pray and study whenever they liked, even all day if they could, I know my husband would! but he has a responsibility before God to care for the family God has given him.

Everything we do in life we do as unto the Lord and to give Him honour, even housework, looking after the kids and dad! it is all honouring to the Lord.

The Apostle Paul took on work and paid his way, he paid for his upkeep so he would not be a burden on those he ministered to and to also support his home church who sent him out on these missions.
Read through the book of Proverbs which has excellent advice for young men.

The verses above speak of Jesus calling folk to follow him, but there is always a 'but' - let me do this first, let me do that that first - making excuses of why we shouldn't respond to the call of God at that moment, hankering after things in the past instead of keeping looking forward. If the plough hand doesn't get the first furrow straight, then all the other furrows he ploughs after that will be wobbly lines and off centre - that's why we keep our eyes forward - towards the goal, being careful not to leave stumbling stones in the path for another following behind to trip over.

If you have a gifting for the business world then you should be using that gift and being salt and a light in the area where God has placed you. Don't bury and waste your talents.

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twayneb Feb 12, 2010

codek: As I read your post, a few things come to mind.

First, personal prophecy is never to be directive, but rather will confirm. In other words, I never base decisions on a personal word of prophecy, but God has used prophecy to allow me to war a good warfare (See 1 Tim. 1:18) by confirming and strengthening things that He has already spoken to me. God desires to lead you by His Spirit. Continue to seek Him as to His will for the future, but be careful not to live there. He desires to use You for His glory today, not just in the future. Be sure you are in His will today, do the same tomorrow, and to a large degree the future will take care of itself. You do need to hear from Him for the decisions of the day.

Second, giving God everything means that you are in total submission to His will. Prayer and time in the Word are important disciplines, but if all we do is spend time in the word and prayer, we will have no impact on the world around us. Likewise, if we neglect the word and prayer, we will have no impact on the world around us. Remember when the apostles were spending too much time in waiting tables when God was leading them to devote themselves to the word and prayer so that He could use them to do the true work of an apostle? They appointed spirit filled men as deacons to oversee the work. We are all called to ministry, but some of us are called to do it in a setting where the word and prayer are the focus, and some of us are called to do it in the marketplace. So it is not like you need to join a monastery to have given God everything. You can be an effective minister in the business world having given God your life to use as He desires. You can never give Him too much of yourself. All is all you have to give, and I can guarantee that you will live your entire life continually giving Him areas He reveals to you that are not totally His. The thing is, you need to be in love with Him and be willing to say yes Lord whenever He deals with you.

I don't know what you should do brother. Just understand that you don't have to worry or fret about it.

Travis

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Thanks everyone for the words on encouragement! It really helps me out and I'm not as stressed out right now.

But on the flip side, how do we know if we are too lukewarm? I think most of the American church is too lukewarm. Maybe I should say most of the churches in the biggest countries in terms of lifestyle and so forth are too lukewarm.

I heard this that this generation is called a lukewarm generation.

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@Goldminer

Thanks for the advice and link to The Cost of Discipleship

Thanks for sharing about the eyes. I thought I was the only one. But I changed the subscription and it got better then back to being blurry. Overall everything is still blurry. I actually took the first test of glaucoma and insurance ran out And my blood pressure meds are not effective as before. They don't get me back to normal. I'm gonna get my own insurance and go from there.

All worries aside, I'm thinking the weight drop will definitely help and it should take care of everything if I can do it soon enough. I'm planning to drop about 40 lbs this year.

Just a quick question, did this happen to you in your late 20's/early 30's like me?

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Goldminer Feb 13, 2010

No this happened in recent years and I am just about to reach 56. However the eye doctor wants to check me again in July to make sure I don't have glaucoma and gave me some reading material to see what will help keep one from getting it and what do you know, less fat, no sugar, and fruits and vegetables. Here you have it. A healthy diet gives health to your eyes.

Having said that I believe healing is the childrens meat and I stand believing that I am healed by the stipes that Jesus bore and I will get a good report in July.

Enjoy Bonhoeffer's book, it is a treasure.

My other favorite book is Art Katz' " Apostolic Foundations" Wow what a gift from the Lord.

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