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Benny Hinn: "Joel Osteen is a Coward and the Seeker-Friendly Model is demon-possessed!"

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intrcssr83 Mar 10, 2010

This is rather unexpected of Benny Hinn:
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-ej7n7Nhns]Benny Hinn calls out Joel Osteen[/url]
Hinn openly attacks Osteen's unwillingness to give honest answers during [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPeYUXuuRUM]an interview with Larry King on CNN.[/url]

To be honest, I don't know what to make of this. When one preacher who is known for his abhorrent teachings rebukes another false teacher, what are we to do?

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Billingham Mar 10, 2010

Don't listen to either?

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jmooney6 Mar 11, 2010

Stopped listening after "I would've punched him out and repented later." It's great that Benny Hinn recognizes that nobody else but Jesus hung on that cross, but isn't one of the major purposes of the Bible to bring people to repentence, to bring them to God Himself? I hope I'm not wrong in saying that it appears to me that Benny Hinn needs to repent of pride.

Like Brother Billingham says, don't listen to either. There are much better preachers whose sermons are available for listening here, and of course the most important of all, the True Word of God. May God bless you.

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ChrisJD Mar 11, 2010

Intrcssr83,


"I don't know what to make of this."


I was wondering how come?

Do you mean because we wouldn't expect Mr Hinn to have discernment or courage to stand for something like that?

I can't convey the tone of these questions to you but I don't mean them in an antagonistic way. I think they are reasonable questions someone might have.

The reason I'm responding here is because I think that the question you asked can potentially speak to alot of us in living in an increasingly religously pluralistic and confusing world.

As believers and people that believe in the Bible, we all have convictions about the truth. And to some extent it is nescessary for us to measure the trustworthiness of others, especially to speak into our lives, by their adherence to similar convictions. And this is epecially true for things that we hold to be essential, like the Diety of Christ and salvation through Him alone.

But this can also be taken too far or applied too broadly.

Because right speech doesn't nescessarily mean a right person. And if we place too much significance on saying the right things, it could cause us to be shaken when we hear people say both. Things that are right. And things that we know are wrong. Because we can wonder, how? How can that be?


We need to remember a couple of things.

One, God has given much wisdom to all sorts of people.

James says if any man lacks wisom He should ask of God, Who gives to all men liberally, and doesn't chide them for the asking. And I am not unwilling to think that the 'all men' there are all sorts of men, anyman, and not just believers.

The Lord gave Naaman enough sense to go and seek the prophet in Israel and He favoured the Queen of Sheba with an audience with Solomon, and the Lord Jesus commended her over the people of His generation.

The Lord delights in goodness and mercy and He helps people in all sorts of situations and gives them direction even when they do not percieve it(Psalm 107).

Second, we should not forget the effect that the Bible and the Gospel has had upon the world.


Light dispels darkness and the world has been given tremendous light through the propogation of the Bible and the Gospel throughout the world. Whether we can percieve exactly how or not, I think that we can be confident that many things that are true and wise from the Bible have found their way into the world and into people's hearts and minds, even if otherwise they would not acknowledge it themselves or we do not know exactly how.

Third, we should remember that all of us can be like this to some extent. I mean, all of us can hold right and wrong things in belief at the same time.


So, when we hear someone from another faith say something that is true, we should rejoice in that. We should thank God for that and be glad for them that what they said was right and we should desire that for them more and more.


And we should desire for them not only that they said what was right because they believed it, but for the right motive also.

But these things should not trouble us or shake us.


God has ordained that the Church should be the pillar and ground of the truth in the Earth. But not that it should be the sole and only possesors of every gem and nugget and diamond that can be found in Mount Zion's mines.

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ChrisJD Mar 11, 2010

we should desire for them not only that they said what was right because they believed it, but for the right motive also.


Would like to add one more thing as it relates to this topic specifically:

I would not be surpirsed if the spiritual charlatans and those that prostitute the Word of God are shrewd enough to recognize when putting on a certain religous face will gain them enough religous capital to continue to buy and trade with mens souls, even when the market for their normal wares has gone sour. Afterall, they learn from their spiritual mentor(2Co 11:14).

sermonindex Mar 11, 2010

One of the reasons false teachers like Benny Hinn are capable of deceiving so many is because they mix truth with lies. Not everything that comes out of Hinn's mouth is heresy. Once in awhile he does manage to speak something that is true.

If everything were a complete lie no one would fall for it.

This is one time that Benny Hinn was correct in what he said.

And what about Joel Osteen? How much of a false teacher are you when BENNY HINN calls you out!!?? Thats bad!

Krispy

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intrcssr83 Mar 12, 2010

by ChrisJD on 2010/3/11 9:38:17

Intrcssr83,


"I don't know what to make of this."


I was wondering how come?

Do you mean because we wouldn't expect Mr Hinn to have discernment or courage to stand for something like that?

I can't convey the tone of these questions to you but I don't mean them in an antagonistic way. I think they are reasonable questions someone might have.

The reason I'm responding here is because I think that the question you asked can potentially speak to alot of us in living in an increasingly religously pluralistic and confusing world.

Sorry if I was unclear.
I honestly found it to be a bit of a shock that Hinn would give such a tongue-lashing towards Osteen; if anything, you would think that since they both come from the WoF camp, there would be a degree of mutual camaraderie between the two.

But, as we see, this is one of the fruits of the most heinous of false teachers that Satan empowers: not only do they fail to get along with the faithful, they fail to get along with each other.

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mguldner Mar 12, 2010

Um wow that was interesting, I think it would be kind of cool to have an organ sound every where I went when I spoke people would definitely listen then. but um yeah Interesting I will be praying for both men that they may come to repentance.

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KingJimmy Mar 12, 2010

It seems to me Benny Hinn only says things to get money. I'm just guessing, but I'm willing to bet he said this simply to rally his supporters into giving him more money. Some of his supporters have likely been Osteen fans, and he probably doesn't want saints feeling generous to Osteens ministry.

sermonindex Mar 12, 2010

That was EXCELLENT!

You know, Hinn started out good, but like most preachers they get caught up in crazy things, perhaps God has gotten a hold of him and straightened him out, who knows. I know I've been messed up doctrinally speaking but God has a way of bringing us back into the truth. Recently I was listening to some people fellowshipping with them, but for a long time I had an itch in my spirit that something wasn't quite right. They talked the talk, they sounded good, they knew how to minister, but they denied that Jesus came in the flesh. They spoke about Christ, they believed in Christ but they didn't believe the man was robed in flesh. The same goes for the WoF, it all sounds good, it's really convincing. And it's like a fly trap, it's has a lure a pull to it that pulls in the greatest of men. Hinn is no different.

I am encouraged by this message. Finally a televangelist has stood up and told it like it is, even against Mohammad and Buddha.

sermonindex Mar 12, 2010

I'm just guessing, but I'm willing to bet he said this simply to rally his supporters into giving him more money.
I doubt it.

Messages like this make some people glad others angry. It wouldn't surprise me if he lost some of his support. I've heard strong messages uttered across pulpits and seen people that we thought were pillars in the Church end up leaving because they disagreed with the message that demanded they change.

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nearthecross Mar 12, 2010

Folks, have we forgotten Matthew 7:15-23? False prophets come in sheep's clothing, pretending to be believers. And they're not afraid to call Jesus "Lord, Lord". Knowing that Christ is the only way to salvation and even standing up for the Truth doesn't make you a true convert. Hell is full of many fundamentalists that stood up for the exclusivity of salvation in Christ. The devil knows Jesus is the only way; the demons also believe in Him and tremble. But you will know them by their fruits.

sermonindex Mar 12, 2010

This is nothing more than the pot calling the kettle black. The headline could just as easily been reversed with very little difference in the outcome;*

"Joel Olsteen accuses Benny Hinn of being a greedy wolf, and a coward!"...when Hinn was exposed a few years ago, on Network TV of employing his wife for one million dollars a year. The report also had fly overs on video of Hinn's several opulent mansions around America, and his private jets, and estimated his yearly income at between 12 and 15 million dollars.

The report also exposed Hinn's fraud in claiming to support orphanages, which proved to be non-existent. I don't know how he slithered out of that.

Hinn adamantly refused to reply to the News reporters, claiming that his finances were his own business. Evidently he had enough sense to pay his taxes.


Benny weathered the storm, and took his magic touch tour to new heights, with plenty of suckers tucking in that little seed offering...He became bigger than ever.


Two things that I see. This diverts attention from Hinn's recent divorce, and refocuses attention to Benny's righteous stance as defender of the faith.....exposing those mean ole' wolves, like that cowardly Olsteen, fleecing God's flock. What a piece of work. He may have earned a special corner in the lake of fire* for greedy hypocrites that steal and lie in the name of the Lord. He's tripping on his most obvious forked tongue.

sermonindex Mar 12, 2010

That was so good, I am going to hear it again. Thanks for posting this.

sermonindex Mar 12, 2010

Even though that message was good, however, we can't negate the fact that there are too many questions about these other things that have gone on in Benny Hinn's life.

Here is an expose that that will both make you sick and tired of but also warm your heart of a little girl that became a miracle without getting her miracle.

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppY4ORYpMEA&feature=player_embedded#]The Fifth Estate[/url]

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ccchhhrrriiisss Mar 13, 2010

Just a thought...

...but wouldn't it be wonderful for a man like Benny Hinn, who has apparently used the cross of Christ for personal gain, to come forward and admit that he was wrong?

What an impact it could have on the millions who have thrown, well, millions of dollars (and currency from other nations) at his feet! Could you imagine what would happen if Benny Hinn shut down all of the cameras, got rid of all of the houses, cars, and $5000 suits -- and publicly apologized and repented for preaching a message that causes men to covet and lust after the things of this temporary world.

I remember hearing a preacher once say that cancer is an evil. After having worked in medical research for a while, I understand the great devastation that cancer can bring to a person's body. Benny Hinn and other prosperity preachers talk about how it is literally a "devil" at work in the body. I am certain that God has no pleasure in either the suffering of the righteous or the death of the wicked. But...could anything good come from it?

One day, I thought about the incredible opportunity that comes from cancer. There was a part-time janitor in the Church that I attended while a teen. He was diagnosed in December of having cancer that had already spread across his organs. He died less than two months later. It was tragic...and left a wife without a husband and four children without their dad.

At this man's funeral, there were a lot of guests. During the funeral, the pastor gave friends, family and guests the opportunity to speak. I was shocked to hear several individuals say how this part-time janitor had come to them and repent of past wrongs. During his illness, this man "made things right" with quite a few individuals. It made me think that this guy was effectively given the opportunity to realize his own death...and repent of things that he had kept secret from many people. What an opportunity! Most people who die...die suddenly and without much foreknowledge that death was imminent. I don't know where this part-time janitor stood with the Lord before his illness. However, he produced a great amount of fruit in the short time between his diagnosis and his death.

I can't pretend to know where Benny Hinn stands with God. I strongly disagree with much of his doctrine, his lifestyle and his apparent excuse for living in excess. However, I think that it would be a wonderful thing for a man who may or may not have ever had a pure relationship with our Lord to realize the darkness that lay within his message (and possibly, his heart), repent of it, and proclaim it to the people who listen to him. Like Samson, his latter life and ministry could be more powerful than his former life and ministry.

This is what I pray when I pray for Benny Hinn. He is currently going through a separation and possible divorce. Perhaps this might be a catalyst to wake him up (or open his eyes) to his own spiritual condition and the condition of those who look up to him.

sermonindex Mar 13, 2010

Amen Chris, I agree with you. Your words reminds me of Brother Jimmy Swaggart. I know people just cringe when they hear or see that name, but this man has repented and God restored his ministry. We should want that of men who turn back to God, and we should receive Benny Hinn if such a thing happened.

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