Olga's Visit to Hell's Entrance

I found this on the web when checking out another video on YouTube. It was read on another video so I googled the title and found the transcript. Is this testimony legit?

I did some checking on the web and all I found was another sites with this testimony and another one that discounted the reality of a literal hell.

Here is the link:

http://www.repentnow.com/olga.htm

ginnyrose

Hi ginnryrose

I checked out the site. I am not sure what to make of this??
Edited: Did not mean to come across as disrespectful.

in Him

I emailed the poster of this website asking him to verify this vision and this is his reply:
"Olga's Visit to Hell's Entrance is a vision that you must judge for yourself if you believe it or not. I found it on the internet and thought it to be helpful. If a testimony makes you fear God and live right then it must be true."

I am disappointed there is no verification as to the authenticity of it. I thought that by posting it here on SI that surely someone else will know something about it, but apparently this is not the case.

Since I was a child I have been exposed to reports of people who have had visions of heaven and can pretty well discern which are authentic but the ones about hell - well, no - ain't there yet.

Blessings,
ginnyrose

Ohh Ginnyrose - had such a hard time reading this - I was cringing - Ohhh Noooo! it is so dangerous.

Having physical encounters such as this 'person' knocking on her door in the early hours of the morning is not on. The fact she states she is still in terrible pain from the 'smoke of hell' is not on - these are demmonic encounters and should be treated as such.

The things she states that she was shown are meaningless - the devil - she describes as she would a piece of modern artwork - covered in black hair wearing make up and jewellery??
She was condemned for wearing 'mens clothing' because she had trousers (pants)on??

The four souls in hell being brought up to speak to her??? one soul being there because he refused to participate in a foot washing ceremony?? - another one because she felt good when people praised her generosity??
the constant references she makes to 'God whipping his church'??
This Olga has had no genuine experience with God - she's had a demonic encounter if anything and makes you wonder what has she been dabbling in!!

I was cringing reading it - Ohh please - put it in the garbage where it belongs!!

Ceri, thank-you for your input.

I know this article is similar to Mary K. Baxter's book, "A Divine Revelation of Hell" which our pastor determines to being a fraud.

QUOTE: "The fact she states she is still in terrible pain"

What gives this quote some credibility is that after Jacob had his encounter with the LORD he was also crippled, had to use a staff to lean upon. Since this story is Biblical I was not alarmed.

I, too, am beginning to think that it is a figment of someone's imagination...or worse. So much truth in it that makes one wonder...but in order for a prophecy to be from God it has to be 100% truth; 99% will not do.

Blessings,
ginnyrose

I, too, am beginning to think that it is a figment of someone's imagination...or worse. So much truth in it that makes one wonder...but in order for a prophecy to be from God it has to be 100% truth; 99% will not do.

If it had 99% truth in it we might really wonder if the 1% error were just ourselves, but it seems riddled with a number of points of rank error. At best, I could say that perhaps within a certain culture and upbringing this type of spiritual perspective and the judgment would be valid, but this cannot apply to anyone in, say, North America, or a large part of the rest of the world. There is too much religion and not enough gospel in it all.

There is too much religion and not enough gospel in it all.

This must be the key to discerning this story. I seemed to be at loss to define it.

The testimonies of people who had a vision of heaven were very emphatic that a person makes certain of his salvation, having also gotten a glimpse of hell. The heart felt cry of these people was the call of all men to repentance.

Of course, there are those who alleged they had a vision of heaven but their 'testimonies' had weird elements in it, e.g., seeing a huge hall lined with statuary; or, seeing a large building with missing limbs that the angels were willing to restore to people who needed them but failed to ask for them.

Thanks Koheleth for sharing your insight.

ginnyrose

Hi Sister Ginny...

I, too, am beginning to think that it is a figment of someone's imagination...or worse. So much truth in it that makes one wonder...but in order for a prophecy to be from God it has to be 100% truth; 99% will not do.

One of my undergraduate professors in college, Dr. William Alnor, wrote a book about such visits. In his book [i][url=http://www.amazon.com/Heaven-Cant-Wait-Survey-Alleged/dp/080105284X/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1270183989&sr=1-2]Heaven Can't Wait[/url][/i], Dr. Alnor dissects, compares and contrasts many of these claims (and also many of the specific "prophetic" utterances made by many of the same people). You can read a short article from Dr. Alnor's book by [url=http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/cri/cri-jrnl/web/crj0124a.html]clicking here[/url].

One of the points that Dr. Alnor tries to make in his book is to compare the claims of such seemingly well-meaning people with the story of the man in II Corinthians 12:1-4 who was caught up into the "third heaven." According to Paul, this man "was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it [u]is not lawful for a man to utter[/u]" (II Corinthians 12:4). Dr. Alnor points out how serious it is to make such a claim -- to the point that it is [i]not lawful[/i] (or "unpermitted") to speak about. Yet, many are making such claims with surprising ease -- and even making a professional ministerial career that revolves around their story. When the rich man was in Hell (in Luke 16:19-31), he begged Abraham to allow a man to be raised from the dead in order to that his brothers would be warned about Hell. Abraham's reply? "[i]They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them[/i]" and "[i]If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead[/i]" (Luke 16:29-31).

I suppose that the only safe way to approach such tales is to simply hold true to that "test everything" attitude mentioned by Paul (I Thessalonians 5:21). I don't know what would cause a person to make a [i]false[/i] claim about seeing or visiting Hell -- but this has obviously happened with many of these stories. With all of the contradictions between the specific details, they can't [u]all[/u] be telling the truth. Thus, we should remember to "let nothing move us" -- except for that which we know is true from God.

Chris, you make a lot of excellent points.

Now, I would like to ask you a question: have you ever read a testimony of a person who really did have an authentic experience of 'seeing beyond'? or, are you discounting all visions based on II Corinthians 12:4?

EDIT: are suggesting no visions should ever be described?

ginnyrose

Something that I believe Bill Wiese expressed was that fact that Hell was so incredibly large that one could visit it several times and see something different ie why thare are such great contrasts in people's stories. I don't know just thought I would add that. I agree we should definitely test everything.

Hi Sister Ginny...

Now, I would like to ask you a question: have you ever read a testimony of a person who really did have an authentic experience of 'seeing beyond'? or, are you discounting all visions based on II Corinthians 12:4?

EDIT: are suggesting no visions should ever be described?

I do believe in visions and dreams (Acts 2:17). However, there is an element of "instruction" (even in a doctrinal sense) based upon what some people supposedly "see" in a vision or dream. In other words, some people use these stories of various "visions" and "dreams" as a means to convey a particular doctrinal view. The United Pentecostal Church, after all, started after a man who was attending the Azusa Street Revival claimed to have had a "vision" that promoted a unitarian view of the Godhead (i.e. that there was no Father, Son and Holy Spirit...but "only Jesus"). A "vision" or a "dream" that contradicts God's Word is a [u]lie[/u]. But what about those "visions and dreams" that are used to supplement the Word? Again, the entire testimony should be tested by the Word of God.

I don't know what would prompt a person to share a vision or dream that isn't really from God (or is simply made up). I suppose that some people can have lucid dreams based upon the foods that they eat, the drinks that they consume or the medication that they take.

I don't have a problem with people sharing their "visions" or "dreams." However, they should expect (and even encourage) for people to question the validity -- especially if they are doctrinal in nature (or remarkably, but questionably, specific). I have met so many people who claim to be so spiritually gifted as to share their dreams on an almost weekly or monthly basis. If anyone questions or tests those claims (or suggests the desire to do so), they often become irate.

In the early church, there were individuals who had dreams and visions. However, these were often personal in nature -- and only shared when necessary (like Paul's explanation of his vision on the boat in Acts 27:23-25). Interestingly, we are told to "believe not every spirit" but to "try" them to see if they are truly from God (I John 4:1). Paul said that we are even supposed to test what angels teach us in such visions (Galatians 1:8). Sadly, many of the purported "dreams" and "visions" do not resemble the manner in which they are shared in the Bible.

So, I do believe that God gives visions and dreams. However, they MUST always be tested and verified. We should not be easily moved by such stories and tales (even if they sound like they can be true). As far as the stories of people who "visited" Hell -- I just can't believe it. We already know what the Bible says about the place. It is an unimaginably horrible place of torment. Any attempt at an elucidation through a vision (or supposed visitation) seems unnecessary given the clarity that already exists in the Word.

So, I do believe that God gives visions and dreams. However, they MUST always be tested and verified. We should not be easily moved by such stories and tales (even if they sound like they can be true).

Got it. And I would understand this to be the Biblical approach to take concerning visions.

account of Heaven..from the Word of God.

You know what? I just love to read John's account of heaven as recorded in Revelation. And for starters you have Revelation 1,4...It is so edifying to read this account slowly, seeing in your mind and imagination what John describes. Ahh, so beautiful.

I know hell is described as the lake of fire that burns with brimstone. However, I also think that what can make hell awful is the absence of beauty. God made light/color, shapes, forms and arranged them in artful ways and you have beauty. God is the author of beauty and to not have the ability to experience this in all eternity??? but only have the memory of it as experienced on earth? This in itself could be hellish, IMHO. But then you add the fire and brimstone, it just gets much worse.

My understanding and opinion.

Appreciate your post, Chris.

ginnyrose

Hi Sister Ginnyrose...

You know what? I just love to read John's account of heaven as recorded in Revelation. And for starters you have Revelation 1,4...It is so edifying to read this account slowly, seeing in your mind and imagination what John describes. Ahh, so beautiful.

I know hell is described as the lake of fire that burns with brimstone. However, I also think that what can make hell awful is the absence of beauty. God made light/color, shapes, forms and arranged them in artful ways and you have beauty. God is the author of beauty and to not have the ability to experience this in all eternity??? but only have the memory of it as experienced on earth? This in itself could be hellish, IMHO. But then you add the fire and brimstone, it just gets much worse.

Thank you for the discussion, Sister Ginny! I look forward to the fellowship that we will all have in the day where we can finally see our Lord face to face! All of the cares of this world and concerns about doctrine will fade the moment when we can each see our Savior's beautiful face! How I long for that day!

If this Earth, in all of its beauty, only took God six days to create...and He has been preparing a place for us for nearly 2000 years...this is living in a garbage can!"

Never thought of it in this way, but I could easily imagine it to be so.

When I took "Revelation" in Bible School, our instructor worked to whet our imaginations about what heaven/eternity with God could be like. This was a fun exercise but then said it would be a whole lot better then we can imagine! WOW! The older I get the more I anticipate it; and I doubt anyone will be disappointed!

Blessings,
ginnyrose

I'm trying to discern myself about the autheticity of the vision. I think the reason those in her vision were in hell was because they disobeyed God. Not that one enjoyed affirmation from her peers, but the disobeying from the Holy Spirit's instruction. I don't think, if I am understanding correctly, that the Elder (pastor)who refused to "wash feet" was thrown in hell for not washing feet, but for rejecting the Lord's instruction through the prophet. In any case, we know the Lord said the path is narrow that leads into eternal life and that few find it. Jesus said that few will find it. That means that the majority of us who think we're going to heaven are not. Simple as that unfortunatley. Hebrews 10:20 (I think)says if we sin willfully after recieiving the truth (paraphrasing)that there is no sacrifice for sins left. We do not have license to sin, and I guess that's the message. I would encourage everyone to look at John Bunyan's experience of hell. Jesus wants no one to go there, and I think he is giving a number of people the experience to repent and warn us that his judgement is coming, and it will be forever. This is my thought. I hope you don't mind me sharing. Peace in Christ.

I don't believe Olga's story is from God--could be its from her imagination or maybe its satan doing it.

Can you imagine Jesus playing 3rd fiddle to the angel and the devil when all three are present together. Notice that Jesus was so quiet while the focus was so much on the devil.

Now if an angel, Jesus and devil were present at the same time, wouldn't we be so focused on Jesus that the others just pale in comparison.

There are also many subtle things that are wrong--just can't quite put my finger to it/articulate well enough with the exception of some of the more obvious ones which have already been well articulated by the other posters. Also, this piece seems quite childish/ludicrous.

Pls read or watch Betty Baxter's testimony. Now, this one is real and she really was healed and met Jesus.

Here's Betty Baxter's story (its a beautiful story)
http://www.godfire.net/BettyBaxterText.html

The youtube video where she gave her testimony
(there are 6 parts--I just attached the 1st part)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xgTgnNz1CY

Edited