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Zapthycat Aug 28, 2003

This may seem to be one of the strangest posts you might have read, but I would like some honest opinions and views here. I am a 24 year old male with the calling of God upon my life... and currently single. I desire God with fervency and am not unwilling to give my life, in it's entirety, to him. I know that he that "finds a wife finds a good thing, and gets favour of the LORD." I know that "It is not good for man to be alone". I know that "It is better to marry than to burn". I'm not going to ask for your opinion on whether marriage is a good thing or not, because I know it is. However I look at scriptures like 1 Cor 7:33 - "But he that is married careth for the things that are of the world, how he may please his wife." I desire to please God, fervently. I am not above wanting to be martyred for him. Sound extreme? Well that's me. I believe that everything in the Bible is just as much for today as it was for them... miracles and martyrs, revival and revelation, healings and heros of faith. I look at passages like Hebrews 11:35-38, and what God's heros of faith went through. And I look at 2 Corinthians 11:23-33, and I say "Lord I want to give you my all, because you gave me your all". So then, my question is... Is marriage something for me? I understand that there are those called... here's Matt 19:11 But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given. 12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.So you see, there are those "to whom it is given". There are also "those that have made themselves eunuchs for the Kingdom of heaven's sake", (I looked that up in the Greek and if i remember correctly, the greek word for "eunuch" in this instance is unmarried man, not the *snip snip* kind if you know what I mean).What are your thoughts, on a young man that desires to give God his all and spare nothing? (BTW I only want to hear responses from those that are fervently desiring God also, and on fire... if you aren't an avid fan of Ravenhill and Tozer, don't bother replying please, because you probably don't have the same mindset as myself and others that want to see the book of Acts come alive again). Other than that, all thoughts and opinions are welcome. For the record, my pastors all believe that I should get married, as do most all of my friends, both married and unmarried, and quite a few single ladies in my church. However none of them really have a "fundamentalist" view of this like I have, and such a zeal to do and die for Christ. (Not that I want to die, I want to live, but I am willing to put my neck on the chopping block, not regarding my life, for the gospel's sake...)Thanks again...-JW

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Koinonia2 Aug 28, 2003

In my life, I have seen so many couples brought together by God -couples who balance each other in their service to Him. I think this is key - balance. Certainly, there are a few who are not called to marriage, but most of are not, and most of us need marriage. Besides fulfilling many needs, it saves us from becoming peculiar, and in many, many ways, it helps us be in a position where we can be useful to God. This is a principle that runs from the beginning of the Bible to the end.Wouldn't it be glorious if you had a "helpmeet" to colabour with you in the things of God? The coordination of a Godly couple is one of the most beautiful pictures of Christ and the church.Just my thoughts...Much grace,DanielJ

sermonindex Aug 28, 2003

JW,I personally think you should just wait to see what the Lord brings into your life. I don't see how you can make an informed decision without the whole equation in place. J.N.Darby, the prominent leader of the Brethren movement of the 1800's, once fell in love. By that time the Lord was using him. His writings were voluminous, his travels extensive. He was preaching upwards of 15 times a week depending on where he was at. He and the woman he loved prayed extensively about God's will in the matter and after much prayer they both agreed that marriage would hinder the Lord's work. As much as it pained them both they broke off their engagement. Neither of them ever married and remained close friends throughout their lives. It would not have been wrong for J.N.D. to marry at all! I believe that the Lord leaves these things a matter of personal choice. It's not that it was not God's will for JND to marry but JND felt that not being married would give him the freedom to pursue the Lord's work unhindered. I have said all that to say this. It seems to me that if the Lord moves in such a sovereign way again, as He did during the Brethren movement, and you are being used of the Lord mightily, then perhaps it would be best for you to not be married so you can better perform the Lord's work. This, I believe, is what Paul meant in 1 Corinthians. For most believers marriage is the normal and healthy choice. Until such a time as you are in a position to make the decision I would not worry about it. When you are in the position you will make the "right" choice because it will be the one that the Lord has given you the freedom to choose. I hope this makes sense.As for myself I readily admit that I am not strong enough to live alone. I enjoy female companionship. I think even if something would suddenly happen to my wife and she was taken I would remarry. I don't believe that God ordains anyone to be or remain single. He leaves the choice up to us. I hope this helps!:-) Kevin

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laholmes Aug 28, 2003

I am 22 yrs old, and I reached a point in my life where I thought God was preparing me to go at it alone for Him. I never really dated, and then my first serious relationship (about a year ago) left such a bitter taste, I wanted to remain single. Also, I knew what God had called me to, and I was not sure I wanted to subject anyone else to that. I have the same questions. Do I do it, and then God gives me the grace, or does God give me the grace and then I do it? To answer your question, you must simply wait on what he will bring into your life. God brought a woman into my life who will follow me to Africa, or to not have children so we can pursue the gospel. All of this to say, wait on Him. Regardless of what your pastors, families, and friends say. Did Adam have to go to God and say "I need a wife"? No, the Father knew his needs and he met them. Trust that the father knows your needs and he will meet them. Just a warning: Do not do it because you think you are strong enough. Because you are not. That was my mistake, my pride. Do it because you know that God has called you to that, and you long to honor him with your life.

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beauxp Aug 28, 2003

Put God first, He will work out the details about marriage. Zapthycat said: I desire God with fervency and am not unwilling to give my life, in it's entirety, to him. And quoted "finds a wife finds a good thing, and gets favor of the LORD."Bro. First things first. God must be first. You sound as if you have not given this area over to God. Let God have it also and He will take care of this. A wife is the most treasured thing on earth if she is the one God has for you. But the wrong one can be a world of heartache. God knows the one that you need to be yoked with, someone with the same mind and heart as you have. That will desire to serve in the same capacity that you do, or at least in one that compliments your capacity.Don’t be afraid of being single, if that is what God wants, then that is best.Jesus said, “My house shall be called a house of prayer.” Where this may not seem relevant to some, but it is very relevant. Unless we seek the Lord, and His wisdom you will never know God’s true plan for your life. Bounds said that Love for God is impossible without prayer. He is right. We are the house for the Holy Spirit of God. If you (you = God’s house) is not a house of prayer, then how can your home, you and your spouse (and children) be a house of prayer. If you are not a house of prayer, then the church you go to will not be a house of prayer. This is a necessity. I talk to many people, especially young ladies who are praying for their husband. I always tell them to quit. Pray that they will be the wife that a man of God needs. The principle works the same for men. The responsibilities of a husband (and father) far out weigh the desire for companionship and having “needs” meet. A husband is commanded to love his wife as Christ loves the Church. The wife is only commanded to obey. When a wife is struggling with sin, it is the husband’s responsibility to pray for her. When there is a disagreement in the home, it is the husband’s responsibility to pray for God’s wisdom and settle the disagreement, even if and especially if he is wrong. Everything that goes on inside your home is your responsibility. I don’t say this begrudgingly but with a deep understanding of this principle. If you can’t grasp this and cannot accept this as fact, you do not need to get married.

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PJ Aug 28, 2003

JW,Marriage is a good thing, but just choose wisely my friend! When I was younger, I thought that I just might try to stay single for the Lord, but this would not have been a good idea. You know the part you quoted about it being better to marry than burn? Well I would've most certainly burned. So since being single was really out for a guy like me, the next best thing would be to marry a girl who loved the Lord and believed as I did. This was not an easy task since I, kinda like you, believed in 100% devotion to the Lord (by the way, I still do). I was always looking for a girl who would be willing to spend an hour in prayer on a date, or a girl who would be willing to go street witnessing, or a girl to go visit nursing homes with me. Well as you can guess, this was not an easy search. As time went be I cooled off for the Lord (I was still serving him, but it was with little zeal), it was during this time in my life that I got married. She was a good girl who served the Lord, but it was more out of duty and not out of heart. It seemed that we could never relate on the deep things of God. She wanted to hunger for the Lord, but she just didn't know how. Most of the time this was not a problem. As long as I was living a lukewarm life it didn't bother me. But when the times of fire came, I would find myself frustrated and alone. I just wanted her to know what I knew. Here I am ready to go to any extreme for the Lord living with a wife who is not and a wife who does not understand the burning in my soul. Many times I was sure that I had made a huge mistake, and yet to be honest, I knew that my life was in much better shape than if I had been alone. She kept me accountable in areas in which I needed accountability, and provided some structure and discipline to and undisciplined life. Down deep I could see the hand of God in our marriage. Yet it was still hard to not share the fire of God. I would often try to change her, sometimes through encouragement, and sometimes through criticism, and of course to no avail. Only God can stir a genuine hunger. Praise the Lord he begun to stir!About three months ago, God revived my cool spirit once again. This revival is different than any I have ever experienced. It is deeper and stronger than anything I have ever experienced in my life. The first month of this revival I was once again on my own and spiritually frustrated by my marriage. But this time instead of criticizing her, I started praying for her. I finally gave her to the Lord and gave up trying to change her through sermons or criticism. And finally without any warning, God has set my wife on fire! She understands the burning that is in my soul. We share this fire and hunger for the Lord. We now share a desire to do whatever it takes for the Lord. We pray together and have deep conversations together. I never dreamed that this would happen, and yet it has and it is for real. God has been in my marriage since day one. I couldn't make it without my wife, and yet at the same time the wrong wife could be a terrible mistake. I known a lot of ministries that have been destroyed by the wrong spouse. Bottom Line: Marriage is a good thing if it's to the right person!Seek the Lord and let him guide you.A man who loves his wife,PJ

sermonindex Aug 28, 2003

PJ said:I known a lot of ministries that have been destroyed by the wrong spouse.I do not believe this at all!! No ministry has ever been destroyed by a "wrong" spouse. If a ministry is destroyed it is always the work of self-will in one spouse or the other or both. Marriage is a divine institution and if God allows you to marry someone that person will be just what you need in your life to mature. Now, you can reject that and say "I made a mistake" or more often than not blame God, but all you do is hinder the work of God and what he is doing in perfecting you. To say the above sounds like such a copout! It could be that the "ministry" itself was never God ordained.Kevin

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PJ Aug 28, 2003

Ktrek wrote:Marriage is a divine institution and if God allows you to marry someone that person will be just what you need in your life to mature. KevinWhat do you mean if "God allows"?So if I get careless in my mate selection as a Christian, as long as God does not stop my wedding with some divine means, for example, lighting or an audible voice, then that must mean that this is of God and I have married the right person? Nonsence! You are puttig way to much responsibility on God and not enough on his people. We are created to make intelligent choices. And failure to make inteligent choices can result is great consequences later. If I marry for looks and end up with a woman who looks like a queen but is as mean as a snake, I'm sorry, but I don't think that this would be God's plan to work towards my perfection. It would be a terrible mistake that I would pay for the rest of my life and all future ministry for the Lord would be hindered because of my ignorant choice. Due to your previous post, I will however change my wording to say... I have seen a lot of ministries that have been hindered because of a bad choice in marriage, or how about this, I have seen a lot of "servants of the Lord" who have not reached their full potential for the Lord because of their bad choice in mate selection.PJ

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sdb Aug 28, 2003

I am 40 yrs old and have been married to my lifemate for 20yrs......We were saved together....we were baptised together...and now we are serving /and seeking together. I promise you it is one of the most intense commitments that you will ever make, second only at times to serving Christ fully. But I promise you everyday, good bad and indifferent has been worth every bit of effort put into this marriage. She has trully become my better half...she is my co-warrior in our daily walk together. She is the first person that I will go to to speak with about what God is doing in my heart, she is my sounding board, and the one that can objectively see if what is going on in my life is more ME, and be willing and able to tell me about what she sees. We use each other for purpose of confirmation, if the Lord reveals something to her, she waits for the Lord to reveal it to me, and visa versa fro myself. It is trully amazing when the Lord does this, for it is confirmation that God sees us as one flesh. True she is the weaker vessel, and I am her head..but this relationship has developed through years of mutual respect and admiration and love. The parallels of a husband and wifes relationship to that of Christ and the church are immeasurable at times, thus adding a whole different dimension to my Christian walk that would not otherwise be there. God will give you the desires of your heart according to His will, I have seen men push the issue and jump the gun so to speak and end up in a marriage that consumes the majority of there lives(trying to keep the spouse continually happy, and seeing Gods will bent to the desires of the spouse)and I have seen those wait and allow God to find them the perfect mate. But be warned, all relationships require much, much diligence and sacrifice, be it parent to child, wife to husband, pastor to church...no pain no gain, and just like your walk with Christ it is an ongoing process, always changing and always evolving. The fruit of it all for myself has been a lifetime that has never been boring, we have been blessed with 4 children, and several grandchildren, which God has chosen to use many times to speak to my heart. Through these relationships God has expressed Himself like he could in no other way.thanks scott :-)

sermonindex Aug 28, 2003

PJ,I think you better read my two posts more carefully. I NEVER said that we do not have a responsiblity and what I did say does NOT throw the responsiblity on God. However, to view things from your perspective gives you an excuse for what has gone wrong instead of owning up to your failure and taking responsiblity yourself. I still contend that when you marry it is for better or worse. Vows have been taken before God. It may turn out that you "think" in your own mind you made a mistake but if you love the Lord "all things work for good". Divorce is NOT an option unless there is fornication so you must accept God's will in the matter. I speak from experience as to this. I married a woman at 20 years old. I was deeply in love with her and we prayed together and decided to marry. Over time things changed in our relationship. She no longer wanted what I wanted and she eventually was involved in two separate affairs. She asked then for a divorce. I granted her the divorce. Even with the pain I went through I would never say that those 17 years were a mistake OR that I married the wrong person. Self-will was involved and she chose to break the relationship. I would have forgiven her again and moved on in our marriage but that is not what she wanted. I made an "intelligent" choice, as you say, at the time I married. I do not believe it was NOT God's will or that His will was even involved. He leaves these choices to US. When we make the choice the spiritual and mature thing to do is to live with the consequences of our choices and grow thereby. I grew more as a Christian in those 17 years than any time in my life. I'm thankful that God allowed me to remarry and that ALSO was MY choice. God left that to ME. I now live with the consequences of that choice and all I can say is I am the happiest I have ever been! Kevin

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PJ Aug 28, 2003

Kevin,I was gathering from you earlier post that the very fact that God did not stop us from marrying someone would mean that it must have been "God's will". I must have misunderstood. Just to clear things up, hear is where I stand...I do not believe the it would be God's will for me to marry a non-believer or anyone with whom I would be unequally yoked. I think that it is my responsibility to be in prayer and seek the Lord and make the best choice accordingly.However, if I were to make a huge mistake in my initial choice, regardness of how I might feel about it, it is now "God's will" to stick it out and make the most of it. Your right, divorce in not an option! I'm thankful that my wife and I have "Stuck it out". Somedays it was only our committment God that held us together, but God has been faithful and now it is our love and enjoyment of each other that holds us together. With everything said, I will still say, choose wisely!PJ

sermonindex Aug 28, 2003

PJ,I totally agree with you about it not being God's will for you to be unequally yoked. I guess my thinking on marriage is that it's not a matter of is marrying this person or that person "God's will" to marry. I see these types of decisions left up to us BUT they are conditional dependent on the "revealed" will of God, which is His Word. God is NOT going to come and divinely stop a marriage with an audible voice or anything else. Or at least it is highly unlikely and I have never heard of such a case. He has given us all we need that pertains to life and godliness. We have His Word and the Spirit within. If you choose a mate based upon criteria set forth in the Word of God and love your wife even as Christ loved the Church that is all that is really required. Too many people make trying to find out the will of God some kind of mystical something or other and that is not how God works. He leaves our destiny for the most part in our own hands. We can choose what profession to pursue, what training we need to pursue that, and even who we marry. We are to use the Word of God and listen to the Spirit within to make right choices. If we make a bad choice it does not negate the work of God in our lives. Paul says if you marry you do not sin. It is very obvious that the choice is ours to make but within the boundaries established in God's Word. This is what separates us from an unbeliever because they do not consider God in the equation. This is what the Bible calls "piety".Kevin

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PJ Aug 28, 2003

Kevin,I think we are thinking alike, just didn't realize it.To many people are always wanting to know God's will for their lives when HELLO! we have a book called the Bible. People expect God to reveal some specific purpose or direcition for their life while ignoring God's general purpose found in his word. If peole will make the Bible the ultimate guide for their life, they will find that the specific details fall in place, or maybe I should say, "work out" as according to Romans 8:28.PJ

sermonindex Aug 28, 2003

PJ,Glad we could talk this through and see we are both on the same page! I agree totally with your last post! :-D Kevin

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Zapthycat Aug 29, 2003

I wish to thank you all for your input. Truly your thinking is along the same lines as mine... "if God has called you to it...". I guess in my own carnal way I was looking for a straight up answer *OTHER* than simply being submitted to him and listening to his voice. It's a hallmark of humans to rather have a straight up answer, even if it is difficult, rather than to be submitted and have a relationship to an invisible God. It takes sensitivity to be hearing from God, whereas it only takes ears and eyes to hear what a fellow human might tell us. On a side not, my 3 favorite heros of the Bible... John the Baptist, Paul the Apostle, and of course, Jesus the Christ.... none of them were married. Great prophets like Elijah and Jeremiah were not married. There is no record of any of the 11 apostles besides Peter being married (which isn't to say they weren't). On the flip side, great men like Samuel the prophet, Moses and Isaiah, were married, Hosea was even commanded to marry a prostitute, as were maaaaany others. So basically, I still just don't know. I guess I'll have to find my own personal answer, from my God which still speaks to us personally, regarding our personal problems and dilemmas. :)Thanks again, and God bless you all,J. Wilson

sermonindex Aug 29, 2003

I just found this on the Light Magazine webpage and thought I would post it as it fits the discussion.KevinIS IT APPROPRIATE for a follower of Christ to marry?This is a recurring question posed by many readers of Light Magazine. It is one which many of us must have pondered, at least when initially embarking on our journey towards God’s kingdom.The guidance laid down for us is arguably conflicting. The Apostle Paul wrote to the 1st Century believers at Corinth: ‘Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman’ [I Corinthians 7.1].What do we make of this statement? It certainly implies we shouldn’t marry. In fact it is rendered in the NIV as ‘It is good for a man not to marry.’ However, the next verse goes on to say: ‘Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband’ [I Corinthians 7.2].God, recognizing our weak nature, has given us a choice on this matter. We may marry for human reasons. Although, this statement is qualified by the Apostle Paul:‘I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I. But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn’ (to burn with passion – NIV) [1 Corinthians 7.8,9].In these two verses Paul tells us that it is better not to marry but if celibacy is difficult for us then it is better to marry than to resort to fornication. It is better for us to remain unmarried in order to devote our lives more fully to serving God.But what of Christ’s views on this matter? When questioned by his disciples on the related issue of divorce his reply was very similar to the words of Paul: ‘For some are eunuchs because they were born that way: others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it’ [Matthew 19.12 NIV].The foregoing may imply that marriage is a ‘bad thing’. Far from it, for we read in the first book of the Bible that God instituted the concept of marriage with Adam and Eve: ‘Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh’ [Genesis 2.24].Most of the prominent Old Testament figures were married. In fact Isaac was instructed by God to take a wife: ‘Behold, Rebekah is before thee, take her, and go, and let her be thy master's son's wife, as the LORD hath spoken’ [Genesis 24.51].So, is it appropriate for a follower of Christ to marry? The Scriptural answer is ‘yes’. However, we do have a choice - to remain single and devote our lives to God or to marry and try to devote our lives to God given the other distractions that are inevitable with that status. On the surface of it these are simple choices. The former being by far the simpler but only if you are of a disposition to cope with it, therefore the more difficult. The latter is the easier choice but certainly the more complex.Finally and most importantly, marriage is used in the Bible to symbolise the relationship that exists between Christ (the bridegroom) and the believers (his bride in prospect) [Ephesians 5.22-33]. This is a pattern for the perfect harmony that will exist when the true bride of Christ is united with him at his second coming to establish the kingdom of God on earth [Revelation 19.7-9]. Correspondence Editor

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