God: Republican or Democrat?

I wanted to write this evening after reading several posts concerning who we're voting for, and why Bush is right/wrong, and why Kerry is wrong/right. I must say that although I am a firm Republican and will vote for President George W. Bush (not for political reasons, but moral), it is ultimately God who has the deciding vote. This is an area where our votes do matter, but don't. Romans 13:1 instructs us to "...be subject to the governing authorities, for the authorities that exist are appointed by God." This includes Pharoah, Nebuchadnezzar, Herod, Caesar, Bill Clinton and all leaders, good or bad who are to follow. We must watch our tongues when we speak out against leaders or future leaders. It is one thing to stand against unrighteousness, as John the Baptist did to Herod. Yet Johns preaching was to Herod and not spuriously vented to all who would hear. We must understand that even the foulest of leaders have been placed where they are by the hand of God. Not because they are necessarily God's poster boys for moral conduct, but because through them He will show His power someway or another. Let us be careful what we say about both our current President, and those to follow. If we speak of their sin, let it be first to God in prayer with meekness and humility. The scripture does say that ,"Whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God..." Let us not be guilty of this simply because we disagree with President Bush's policies, or even simply because we disagree with John Kerry's. Paul in Acts 23:5, quoting from Exodus 22:28 tells us that we should not speak against the ruler of our people. In this instance it was the high priest who ordered Him to be struck unjustly on the mouth. If this was true then, how much more now? Brothers and sisters let us be careful, for we shall give an account for every idle word we speak.Blessings,Jeff

God is the ultimate Theocrat who uses republicans, Democrats, Autocrats and any other "cans" and "crats" that He either allows, or sets up, thru these long, dark ages of mans rule, under satans rule, in order to bring about His ultimate Theocratic Kingdom's rule on earth ... That's my take.

If I had the oppurtunity to preach to president Bush, I would be more than happy to express my concerns to him face-to-face, as opposed to discussing them here. Those Evangelical leaders who do have this oppurtunity and have failed to confront president Bush (publicly, as these are public sins) about his syncretistic idolatry (bowing down at that Shinto Shrine, celebrating Ramadan, telling the Muslims that "we worship the same God," etc.) may have quite a bit to explain on Judgment Day.Regarding our words about our leaders: yes, we should be careful about what we say about them, and perhaps somewhat more careful than we are about any average person, but are we ever not supposed to call idolatry what it is?Edit: particularly when the leader in question confesses Christianity.

Moses spoke against Pharoah, for which purpose God made the mighty foolish, cast down the wise for the simple, so that man may only glorify God and not another man. The real issue is this. How should the believer live in this world? "For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ." 2 Corinthians 10:4-5The shepherds are held responsible for their flocks. And the shepherds are under the dominion of Jesus Christ. As we know from Scripture not many kings are believers. (1 Corinthians 1:26) As we know from Scripture, that 78 percent of the kings of Israel and Judah were judged wicked and led the people to do wicked things. And only through the use of Scripture will those who by use be able to discern between good and evil. So our calling is to exhort one another to live godly lives. We are to cast down all arguments that promote the exaltation of men that is against the knowledge of God. That is why Daniel was cast into the lions den. That is why the three youths were cast into the fiery furnace. That is why John the Baptist was beheaded. That is why Jesus Christ was crucified. It is all about the original sin. Who should we obey? God or Satan?We who are believers are to be conformed into the image of His Son. This process of sanctification begins with being born from above. His work will seperate us from this world for what does righteousness have to do with lawlessness? What does light have to do with darkness. What does Christ have to do with Belial? Absolutely nothing!In ChristJeff

Brother,By my post I was in no way labeling everything that President Bush does as moral. President Bush is a man who confesses the Lord Jesus with his mouth, yet I have heard and seen him do things that I myself disagree with. Some undeniably sinful and wrong. Yet there are sometimes where I have to acknowledge the fact that I am on the outside looking in. Had I been in his shoes would I have made the same mistakes? Probably so, and even worse. So when I say I am voting for him, it is not because I believe he is the perfet picture of righteousness and holiness, for he isn't. Rather I personally tend to look more at issues such as abortion, homosexuality and the like. These issues are the ones which sway my voting. So please do not misunderstand me brother. I am not promoting President Bush as being a perfect moral, Christian. Yet, he is the President and was put there by God. Therefore he deserves our respect and our prayers. If the church prayed (not preyed) for our President half as much as they criticize him, perhaps some of these mistakes could have been averted. (I'm sorry my Armenianism is showing :) Just my thoughts.Blessings,Jeff

The title gave me a good chuckle.I think that God is neither Republican nor Democrat, but, I do believe God is a conservative. Many of the scriptures in the Bible lean towards free enterprise and capitalism (Proverbs 6:6-11 is foremost in my mind) and warn against laziness. I think that, the United States has the godliest government system, in theory, in the world right now, though certainly this is not as good as the Jewish Theocracy of the old testament.

Neilgin1While I think it was a bad idea to go into Iraq, I would be cautious in leveling a charge of intentionaly lying to the public to encourage war. If the President was lying, he would not be president right now, not with the partisan atmosphere in D.C. Being somewhat knowledgable of politics, it is fairly obvious that he and, in fact, the whole world was mislead by faulty intelligence. While it may sound like a cliche it still applies here, "9/11 changed everything." Let me be the first to agree with you that it doesn't justify going into Iraq, but it has changed the way our leaders must view potential threats.Now back onto the strange topic. God is neither Republican or Democrat. He is King of Kings and Lord of Lords, and because of that I wish we would stop all the political talk here and focus our thoughts on the One who is and always is in control. Jesus isn't going to jump up and rejoice if we re-elect Bush, and He isn't going to wring His hands if Kerry is elected, and since He's not worried, neither am I.In Christ,Jeremy Hulseyedit: I'll be so glad when this election's over.

Over here successul candidates become members of parliament and 'take their seats in the house'. While I do believe we have responsibility to the settings where God has placed us, I am very glad that my Representative has 'taken His seat' and is not up for re-election... ever :-)

edit: I'll be so glad when this election's over.It sure does get your guys attention, even on a sanctified site such as this. 8-) You guys need to pray really hard for your nation. I know it is something you know already, but consider it extra encouragement. You guys have freedoms that 90% percent of our planet only dream about. So as a christian friend from another part of the globe here is a scripture for all our american bro/sters: The end of all things is near. Therefore be clear minded and self-controlled so that you can pray. 1 Peter 4:7To add fuel to the fire, may the 'best' man win. :-)

Just so you all know, I am perfectly aware that God is neither Republican nor Democrat. The title was made just to peek the interest. My original intent was to give an encouragement to watch our tongues when it comes to the way we talk about our leaders, good or bad. This is a very important issue in the heart of God. The way we respect and view authority is very important to God. I was not in my posting attempting to say that God was a Republican. I'm sorry for not making this more clear. :) God Bless,Jeff

Praise the Lord , he did have words too say to leaders. "render to caesar the things that are caesar's and to God the things that are God's" also "tell that fox" that fox was Herod. I think he was a leader. he (Christ) is the way, the truth and the life. what would have happened if the pope would have said something to Hitler. instead he sided with him!!!

"Is the world crucified to you this evening, or do you find it interesting?"Leonard RavenhillIn ChristJeff

I would like to thank you "FireinmyBones1" (Jeff) for posting this topic. I agree with you. I personally don't feel right about the political bashing back and forth. I feel that I should do my part and vote, but stay out of the rest.Concerning the name of the topic "God: Republican or Democrat?", He's neither. I think it's interesting how so many times we say that God is on the side of whatever group we're a part of. That God is a political party, that God is a denomination, etc. I don't think God is on anyone's side. I think we need to be concerned about being on the side of God, not Him taking the sides of our own personal agendas. I get this idea from Joshua 5:13-15:"As Joshua approached the city of Jericho, he looked up and saw a man facing him with sword in hand. Joshua went up to him and asked, 'Are you a friend or foe?' 'Neither one,' he replied. 'I am commander of the LORD'S army.' At this, Joshua fell with his face to the ground in reverence. 'I am at your command,' Joshua said. 'What do you want your servant to do?' The commander of the LORD'S army replied, 'Take off your sandals, for this is holy ground.' And Joshua did as he was told."

To me, W bowing in a shrine or remarking about Ramadan is like Paul speaking in Athens.He used the statue to the 'Unknown' god as a meeting place, and they wanted to hear more from him. Of course, he was led away from there....So if Bush is the beleiver he says he is, he is on one hand doing his job as POTUS by getting amoungst his constituents, and hopefully, using those ops to preach to the unwashed...

Concur. He won't wring His hands if Kerry is elected.9/11 changed things, alright. Our basic liberties...I love the question re whether Bush is moral. He is like the rest of us beleivers, of course.But here is something to chew on: if W is elected (selected by the Court?) again, will he indeed work to overturn Wade as he hints? Will he really be able to select the right Supreme Court judges to make abortion illegal? Will he make the homosexes as miserable as they make conservatives?As pointed out, he has lied before! Why wouldn't he on these issues? Hey, his Dad said read my lips. W swore on a Bible to uphold the laws of this land. He knocks the very judicial branch that put him in power. Are we electing Karl Rove?Yes I know God put Saul in charge. But His flock Isreal wanted a king like the other nations. Now we all want W... So, yeah, the election is a topic worthy of this site.Like I said in my earlier thread, W could be the worst ever POTUS, but as long as a majority thinks he will select hard right Supremes and put women in backroom clinics again, they would vote for him regardless of what happens to this country. Including its dissolusion! :-o May our living God have mercy on our country.