Can a woman teach???

1 Timothy 2:12 (New International Version)

12I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.

I know that Debra was a judge, prophetess and led an army into victory .It seems that if a woman can speek the oricals of God that this is definetly teaching.

Secondly if Jesus destroyed the works of the enemy and man ruling over woman was a result of the fall this condition should of been rectified through Christ sacrifice???

Also the prophet Joel said in the last days God would poor out his spirit on men and women. They would see visions and dream dreams. If visions and dreams are given to serve the body the woman would have to teach men what the spirit showed her????

I am getting conflicting messages about this subject. Please bring some clarification !

Dear me, what a can of worms thou hast opened.

I feel sorry for Paul.

thank you for you comment.

Genesis 3:14-16 (Amplified Bible)

14And the Lord God said to the serpent, Because you have done this, you are cursed above all [domestic] animals and above every [wild] living thing of the field; upon your belly you shall go, and you shall eat dust [and what it contains] all the days of your life.

    15And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her [a]Offspring; He will bruise and tread your head underfoot, and you will lie in wait and bruise His heel.(A)

    16To the woman He said, I will greatly multiply your grief and your suffering in pregnancy and the pangs of childbearing; with spasms of distress you will bring forth children. Yet your desire and craving will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.

The word because seems to indicate that this was a result of the fall. I do however know that the Lord wants us to be submitted to one another out of reverence to Christ.

Joyce Meyer is a gifted teacher?? Uhhh... she's a heretic and a crook.

Anyway, women are not permitted to teach men or "usurp" the authority of men in the church. Period. Thats what the Bible says. There is no debate beyond what the Bible specifically says.

This is not saying she cant teach outside of the local church. Kay Arthur is not usurping mens authority. Her books are there... if you want to read it, read it... if you don't then don't. But the local church body is to be pastored and eldered by men. Leadership.

Debra is not a good example to use because she was a judge... not a priest. She did not serve in the Temple... the male preists did. Everyone brings her up, but she did not serve in the same capacity as so-called "women pastors". Apples... oranges...

Krispy

just when i thought it was safe to go back into the water..........."money", this topic, among a half a dozen turgid others has plowed, and hashed, re-hashed, shredded, pulped and composted here, again, and again and again and again, to very little profit.

But you can get Brother Don Courville's "Desert Survival" teachings here for download, or listen to the wonderful preaching of Duncan Campbell, who was blessed enough to be counted faithful, to witness the Hebridean Revival, thats the real onus of this wonderful website.

I dont mean offense brother.

Amen... and just because God has given men and women different roles in the home and in the church does not mean that women are of any less value to God. There is no difference in Christ between Jew and Gentile, male and female... but He has ordained by His perfect will that we fulfill very different roles.

Krispy

Psalms 68:11

11. The Lord gives the command;
The women who proclaim the good tidings are a great host:
12. Kings of armies flee, they flee,
And she who remains at home will divide the spoil!"
13 .When you lie down among the sheepfolds,
You are like the wings of a dove covered with silver,
And its pinions with glistening gold.

This speaks to me of the necessity of neither male nor female in Christ. Without families, and the influence of Godly mothers, the church would perish, if it were possible. The proclamation of His word does not always mean in an apostolic way to the masses, as on Pentecost. It also means a faith filled good night story to our babies, and the security they receive from their mothers as faith is imparted to them.

Godly mothers, and sisters hold up their canopy of holiness unto the Lord as much as The evangelist; as much as the Apostle doing exploits around the world, and the Lord not only recognizes it, but proclaims He has ordained it to be so.

12. "Kings of armies flee, they flee,
And she who remains at home will divide the spoil!"

When the victorious church gains glory unto the Lord, and the enemy Princes run for their lives, the rewards of victory are the exact same for the warrior slaying, and the mother praying; no difference. Women cannot be in the field, because of their apparent weakness, and because their ministry is often different, especially if married and having children.

This becomes their first and necessary devotion, and calling.

So to verify and keep this discussion orderly we all have nothing wrong with a women preaching as long as she isn't an authority in the church? Is this correct?

IS THAT RIGHT?

Isaiah 61
The Good News of Salvation.

1 “The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon Me,
Because the LORD has anointed Me
To preach good tidings to the poor;
He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted,
To proclaim liberty to the captives,
And the opening of the prison to those who are bound;
2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD,
And the day of vengeance of our God;
To comfort all who mourn,
3 To console those who mourn in Zion,
To give them beauty for ashes,
The oil of joy for mourning,
The garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness;
That they may be called trees of righteousness,
The planting of the LORD, that He may be glorified.”
4 And they shall rebuild the old ruins,
They shall raise up the former desolations,
And they shall repair the ruined cities,
The desolations of many generations."

As I see it, this IS the ministry of the Holy Spirit in His purist form. This anointing is neither male nor female; it cannot be. Therefore, would one say that a female believer is prohibited from;

1]. Sharing the gospel with others, including her family and friends?...
2]. Ministering comfort, Peace and Freedom to those in need?
3]. Sharing with others that the Lord is returning, and comfort the suffering in that truth?
4.] Ministering consolation, beauty of the Lord and the joy of the Lord...in the spirit of Worship and the Comfort of faith in the Lord Jesus?

Of course not.
Women are the "weaker vessel" whether they like it our not. They are forbidden to usurp any authority over men, or to teach doctrine and oversee in any leadership capacity within the Church.. To allow such, is to invite confusion and hurt. In my 40 or so years addressing these issues, I have never seen ONE instance where a woman Pastor, or Co-Pastor did not leave a trail of disaster behind her; not one....and I have seen many.

In these issues of doctrine and authority within the church, they are to be silent. However, can a sister give a testimony? Yes. Can she prophesy? Yes. Can she share a revelation? Yes. Can she pray for the sick wherever she is? Yes. can she comfort others with the heart of Jesus, wherever she is? OF course.

We as a church have cut off 50% of our family and their giftings and ministry. Do I want my granddaughter to Prophesy? Phillip did. Do I want a Priscilla ministry in her future? Paul did. Do I want to see an active faith that ministers compassion and life to others in power? YES. I think Jesus does too, but I do not want to see this brassy caricature that we see today as Women Pastors or "evangelists", such as Gloria Copeland, or Joyce Meyers.

That would break my heart. They have become aggressive and mannish, no matter how many face lifts and beauty products they have used. [ not withstanding the heresies they embrace..] It is not healthy for a sister to desire these positions of authority. It really messes them up.

But as far as their ministry goes; of course. I long to see the Church free in this area, and our sisters set free in the process. We all will benefit.

"So to verify and keep this discussion orderly we all have nothing wrong with a women preaching as long as she isn't an authority in the church? Is this correct?"
Dmoney.

Of course this is idealism here, and could it be a carry over from the IHOP thread where I confronted the unscriptural practice of ordaining women to teach and exercise authority there in a variety of arenas.

No, I am not saying that. Generally preaching over the pulpit is centered around Doctrine, and doctrine must therefore be taught as the process of preaching ensues.

A woman preaching in a church setting must by task also preach doctrine ultimately, which falls into the authority realm, and the teaching realm. This is prohibited by scripture.

I have ministered side by side in the evangelism realm, and been with sisters witnessing, passing tracts, etc., but when it comes to actual preaching to the lost,[ lifting up your voice and proclaiming...], I don't think so. The warfare realm is too intense; with the demon possesed , hecklers now and then, and general opposition.

In the Far East ,India and the Mid east, there is a resentment by the men there seeing a woman confront them. They are not Americanized into women's lib, and quite frankly, wouldn't listen, or worse.

There is a video on you tube where Lou Engel took some youngsters to The Castro in San Fransisco. An angry mob threatened to beat them, and ran them out. The police came in to escort them out, or there would probably have been blood shed. You can see what I mean. It was a noble idea, but They never should have been there...

Preaching is not the place for sisters....generally. There always is the exception. I think of Marie Woodworth Edders, some female missionaries, and others. The Deborah of old was surely in authority over men. Again, we cannot generalize, but stick to the word, and that should always be kept pure. Women are not, and were not allowed as preachers and teachers over men.

So to verify and keep this discussion orderly we all have nothing wrong with a women preaching as long as she isn't an authority in the church? Is this correct?

You misunderstand... whenever anyone stands in the pulpit to teach the Word of God... they are assuming a position of authority on what they are teaching.

So it does not matter what "position" she has, it is wrong for her to preach in the church when there are men present.

Krispy

Instead of posturing and trying to justify why women should be able to teach from the pulpit to a congregation of men... why not just read what the Bible says... and obey it? You don't have to understand it, you don't even have to like it or agree with it. God demands obedience. Period.

As far as the question "What if God gives a woman a word to share" ... my answer would be God would not give a woman a word to share if it means that she would be violating His Word in the delivery.

Does God give women a message to share? Of course. But not to be shared in violation to His Word. There are other avenues for which she can share what God has laid on her heart.

Krispy