I was shocked

I was out to lunch today for a special treat for my son, we went for a burger and frosty. While waiting in line I was so shocked at the conversation between a mom(this lady looked older then me) and her teenage daughter. Apparently the daughter had just come from ditching her classes at school. She was meeting up with her mom at the restaurant because she had jumped another girl. The mom asked how the fight went and if her daughter had beat the girl up? They both used a lot of foul and vulgar language. They were talking so loud that everyone in the restaurant could hear them. When the mom realized that she had been over heard she announced that she was such a quiet girl when she was a teen and never got into any trouble. Then she went on to tell the daughter that beating up the other girl was right because that other girl had given her no choice, her daughter had told the girl to shut up but the girl would not so she felt her daughter justified in physically attacking this other girl. The two continued on talking about the fight, and the language was awful. I guess I should not be surprised but I was just so shocked that this mother would condone this kind of talk and behavior from her teenage daughter. I was stunned! The only time this mom got upset with her daughter for this fight was when her daughter told her she had been bitten on the hand and that the other girl drew blood when she bit her. The mom went off on string of obscenity and taking Gods name in vain all because she was now going to have to take her daughter in for a tetanus shot.

I just don't know what to think, has the world really degenerated to such a state that this is a normal conversation between mothers and daughter?? No one needs to answer that, I know that it has.

Dear Lord how grieved you must be when you look at this fallen world

God Bless
mj

Unfortunately, MaryJane, there is much worse behaviours out there. I have concluded that God is justified for bring judgement against those who spurn him. I know God desires all to be saved from eternal punishment, but not all want to pay the price by surrendering their will to His. So you now see the results of a life lived in rebellion. Sad, I know.

And I suppose this was a good lesson for your son? How awful ungodly behaviours can be? People usually do not get there overnight - it is a slippery slope greased by lusts and rebellion of all kinds.

ginnyrose

I believe the answer to this is like that in Judges "everyone did as he saw fit."

Ginnyrose

I was ordering our lunch to go so my son was waiting for me in the car. I was thankful that he did not have to listen to the exchange. There were other much younger children in the restaurant though that unfortunately were subjected to it. The more I think about it the more I just am so thankful to God that I have been able to home school my children. From their conversation it was clear that this fight occurred on school grounds.

I know these kinds of things happen in the world and sadly that they are common, I just pray for the girl who got attacked, that she is ok and I pray for this mother and her daughter that they would see their sin and see their need for Jesus.

God Bless
mj

Edit: When I said I was thankful my children are home schooled i was not judging those who go to public school. I just am thankful because some schools can actually be dangerous and I am glad my children are not in these places where there is a real chance they could be harmed.

Sinners are sinners. We should not be shocked when they act like what they are.

Jimmy
I think you missed the point, for me what was
shocking was the way this mother was with
her daughter. This mom condoning her daughter
beating another girl up, just really is sad and to me
speaks to just how acceptable it is to physically
hurt another in today's world.
I know people sin, apart from Jesus I was a sinner to
but I hope I don't ever loose my sensativity
to things like this, I pray God will always keep
my heart soft and sensative so that I do not
become hard or uncaring to these situations. What
I saw yesterday was an reminder of how
sinful this world is and how great is the need for
Jesus.

God bless
mj

MaryJane, I am not Jimmy but you made this point:
"This mom condoning her daughter
beating another girl up, just really is sad and to me."

Did you know there are moms that will force their pregnant daughters to get abortions? Many ignorant pro-lifers think that by passing laws requiring parental consent will result in fewer abs - it might a few but that is all. It could easily work the other way as well.

Sister, there are too many moms out there who have the mentality of a two year old: "what is yours I want and if you do not give it to me, I will take it; and if you resist, I will fight for it!" This mentality has fueled a litigious mentality in adults, made legitimate by some money hungry lawyers. It is so bad here in our community we are cautious who we hire at our business!

ginnyrose

ginnyrose

Did you know there are moms that will force their pregnant daughters to get abortions?

I guess I wonder what ever happened to motherhood, and parents who truly care about their children. Parents who take time to teach their children, right from wrong?
Thank you for allowing me to share this, it has been on my heart and I have just been praying for both girls and the mom.

God bless
mj

This exchange could very easily have been any one of us that visit this website.

What is it that you have that separates you from the behavior displayed by these degenerates?

I doubt we seriously reckon these facts as often as we ought.

I am aware that apart from the grace of God I could be one very much like a Hitler or Stalin.

I am not sure how one can love the world and at the same time call them degenerates.Its so easy to love those that love us, but to love the unloveable is supernatural.........brother Frank

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I guess I did a really poor job of trying to convey what I was so sadden by in this whole exchange. I was not judging this woman or her daughter. I know that I to am a sinner only saved by a merciful and forgiving God who loved me even when I do not deserve it. I know God loves this mom and her daughter too, that is why I said in my other posts that I am praying for them to see their need for Jesus. My comment was because this was her mom and I guess I just have never known a mom to give such bad advice, or guidance to their teenage daughter before. As a mom her example to her daughter surprised me. I guess i always think as moms we should want the very best for our children and that is not always the case. I did not mean to offend anyone with my post, I know full well that my own sin put Jesus on the cross and that my sin grieves the Father just as much as this moms did. As I said before i have been praying for them and will continue as the Lord give me leading. I rechecked my first post and I did ask if the world had degenerated to such a state that was this a normal conversation for mothers and daughters. To clarify I was not calling them degenerates I was talking about the state of this fallen world as a whole. I never felt anger or anything like that for this woman, just surprise at how she was with her daughter.

Sorry for posting, sorry for the confusion.
God Bless
mj

MaryJane don't apologise for your post - it was not you that called them degenerates. There is nothing wrong with what you posted.
I too would have been upset by what you witnessed, but believe me there is much worse out there too! and it will only get worse still, as scripture says that last days will be 'as it was in the days on Noah' when there was such an increase in wickedness that even God regretted making mankind!
Evil will come to fruition for all to see, so God will be seen to be truly just in His judgements.

The days are getting darker where the love of most will grow cold, but that will only show God's people all the brighter! 'All men will know you are My disciples by your Love for one another'
I witnessed such evil when working with the police and was angry that the church was so unaware of what was happening in their own town.
On one occasion I had a three & five year old brother and sister sitting with me in the early hours of the morning, found by PC's walking the streets because their mum was out with her boyfriend and the dad out with a girlfriend and had locked them out because they didn't want them to be in the house alone!! The mind boggles at such parents!!

MaryJane, as Frank said, you have such sensitivity and there's nothing wrong with that, but you don't need to apologise - just be yourself!

Degenerate: –noun
11.
a person who has declined, as in morals or character, from a type or standard considered normal.

I don't really think I've misused the word according to the definition given by a dictionary...

I think everyone here agrees that a woman condoning the physical assault of another person's daughter to be an "act of morality, below the standard of normal."

Not smearing anybody, and not accusing anybody of judging, simply stating reality as it is.

MaryJane, I agree with you as I also agree with Ceri. Neither one of you has to apologize for expressing your horror at behaviours observed.

I never heard exactly what MaryJane did but I, and others, have heard other, similar things - and these incidents are becoming quite commonplace. We talk about it, not just the women, the men do too.

In our area the chief contributor is single parenthood. Many babies are born to single women and it is no accident they got pregnant - they wanted to be pregnant. But they have ZERO parenting skills. They don't want a man around much longer then it takes to get them pregnant. (Big job there for some males - to teach the young males what being a man means! Some think that to be a man is to father children and excel in basketball/football! and then many get involved in drug trafficking because it is easy money -until you get caught. I know something about that, having sat on a grand jury two times.)

Am I mad? You bet I am! You can talk to them until you are blue in the face and yes, they know they are sinning but they want a baby! Other girls are doing fine! And what is fine? They can go apply for medicaid which will pay the medical expenses, and go to some housing authority and they can get an apartment - all at the taxpayers expense. And, and....

These gals need the LORD but the government makes sinning so comfortable for them, paying the way for them that it stifles the voice of the Spirit. Since these poor little children grow up without a dad they get involved in all kinds of devilment and many end up in the penal system.

An interesting thing happens at VBS. Most of the children that come are from one parent homes although more then two generations may live there. The age limit for students to is 14 years old. Since the VBS has been ongoing for several years the older ones come anyways so the staff has to come up with classes for them, too. But they come - they come to Kidz Klubs during the week. And they love it...

Our male leader at Kidz Klubs does work projects with the boys. They clear brush from the woods behind our church house, made paths, built wooden benches...now this leader and his family are moving to another locality to work on church planting. When these boys found this out they were upset that he was leaving!

It is a wild and unruly world out there. The work is so over whelming - all because people choose to ignore God. (Here is Mississippi people are very religious, even the ones I talked about..)

Got on a rabbit trail here.....can you find your way back? You might find some baby rabbits along the way...

ginnyrose