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Is Creflo Dollar a preacher of the true gospel or a false teacher.

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RainMan May 5, 2010

2 Timothy 3 1-4 (NIV)

"1 But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them."


The desire for earthly wealth is a common trait of a false prophet.

Romans 16:17-18 (The Message Bible)
"One final word of counsel, friends. Keep a sharp eye out for those who take bits and pieces of the teaching that you learned and then use them to make trouble. Give these people a wide berth. They have no intention of living for our Master Christ. They're only in this for what they can get out of it, and aren't above using pious sweet talk to dupe unsuspecting innocents."


Romans 16:17-18 (New International Version)
"17 I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them. 18 For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naive people."

Anyone who teaches anything that Christ or his apostles did not teach is to be avoided.

Ezekiel 22:27
"Her officials within her are like wolves tearing their prey; they shed blood and kill people to make unjust gain."


1 John 2:15 (New International Version)
"15 Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him."

Having read all these scriptures and others on covetousness that always point at a false doctrine. I am wondering if Creflo dollar is a false teacher as can be identified by scripture. I have many pentecostal friends that are still hypnotized by his leaven. I do not judge him as a person as we will all have our works judged by the lord. But i am simply examining the content of his teaching that appears to be demonically inspired. I would like to hear from both parties of this debate.

sermonindex May 5, 2010

His last name says it all...

Krispy

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Yeshuasboy May 5, 2010

Since I'll be judged by every unprofitable & idle word, all I will say is I believe this man should be prayed for. Love your neighbor as you love yourself.

sermonindex May 5, 2010

Paul exhorts us to mark and avoid those who cause division by preaching false doctrine... it would not be idle words to say "consider Creflo Dollar marked and worthy of being avoided".

Krispy

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RainMan May 5, 2010

Jude 1:3 (New International Version)
"3 Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt I had to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints."


I agree with krispy the usual line of "i'll just pray for him" is not really scriptural. Scriptural is what the word of God instructs us to do. And marking them that cause division via heresy is what we are intructed to do. We are also urged to contend for the faith that has been entrusted to us. In the natural when a sheep notices a wolf it warns the others and flees from the wolf it doesnt quietly make its exit and pray for the wolf and other sheep it cries and it flees.

Matthew 7:13-16
"13 Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
15 Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?"

What did Jesus say that the thornbush represents in mark 4?

sermonindex May 5, 2010

His last name says it all...
Krispy


Last name is okay, Creflo needs work. Maybe Cashflo Dollar?

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Yeshuasboy May 5, 2010

If I care for this man's soul as much as I do my own, then I'll pray for him; & if that's not Scriptural then I guess I don't understand the Gospel Of Christ nearly as much as you do Rainman; hence, I would ask you to pray for me as well sir. I believe that when the church of today shows the Love it did as in the days of the Apostles, then the world will begin to again repond as it did in those days.

sermonindex May 5, 2010

We get out of balance when we focus on the love of God and ignore the justice of God. It's like saying "I love that murderer... we should just let him go." Uh, no.

Of course we should pray for Creflo, but we also are to confront him about his lies and false teachings and try to lead him to repentence and salvation.

Pray, yes... but action too.

Krispy

PS: Cashflo... thats good. lol

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Yeshuasboy May 5, 2010

No kidding about gettin out of balance. Vengence is the Lord's, not the Christian's. Better to talk about how this man can be convinced of coming to repentence, which is a merciful gift of God than blasting a man behind his back. Mr Dollar speaks for Himself; but God's sheep hear God's voice. Hell is very terrible place, & I wish no man to go there whoever he may be.

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Santana May 5, 2010

On a side note: His half-brother is 50cent (the rapper).

Get it? Just kidding, bad joke.

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Yeshuasboy May 5, 2010

I hope we can at least all agree that if the Lord was to leave anyone of us, that man or woman would indeed become less than a man or a woman. Meaning the children of God are children of God only by the Grace of God. God help us all to work out our own salvation with great fear & trembling. God help us to be merciful as He is merciful. I know I need this. I love you guys; & I'm sorry if I come across as misunderstanding you. I see your point, I do; but must do all things for His Glory.

sermonindex May 5, 2010

We do not have an example of anyone in scripture trying to convince false teachers of there error. Some try to point to Jesus confronting the pharisees... but technically they were not "false teachers". They did not teach "false doctrines".

From Jesus on we see no examples in scripture of Christians trying to convince false teachers of there error. In fact, what we see is Paul and others confronting false teachers, and for the most part calling them "accursed".

So this whole "we must love them and pray for them" is Biblical, but so is pointing them out and calling them "anathema".

Krispy

sermonindex May 5, 2010

Santana... you need to repent of that joke... that was REALLY bad!! lol

Krispy

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Yeshuasboy May 5, 2010

Well, the prayer of a righteous man availeth much; therefore, the Christian should be willing to be filled with the Spirit of the Lord, becoming righteous, then, God willing, God would move on his behalf to heal the backslidden that they pray for. I think christians coming 2gether to help lead others to repentance is a good thing; if, it's done in a holy & loving way.

sermonindex May 5, 2010

Yea... thats if you believe a true Christian backslide.

Krispy

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RainMan May 5, 2010

I think "LOVE" is one of the most misunderstood things. If we love God then we will obey his commands. His commands are in his written word. To love God is not just in an outward appearance of charity or humility or compassion but its also a desire to obey his commands. This is the essence of having his laws written on our hearts. The bible doesn't say we are to love of pray for false prophets but to mark them and avoid them so surely if we truely love God we must obey what he says in his word regarding false prophets. These men are leading millions into hell we cant sit back and just watch and pray for them, if we truely have compassion for those who are decieved we must reach out to the deceived and lost with the gospel and not just pray in the comfort of our living rooms. Lets not forget that even though we pray for the lost and show them our so called good works "faith cometh by hearing" nobody can be saved unless they hear the true gospel of christ. Satans intention is to make the way to eternal life as difficult as possible to find. I cannot truely say i love God if im not obedient to him or his word charity is easy to falsify externally. Paul was moved to tears when he saw via revelation what these wolves would do to the flock. He warned and he was moved to tears. To me that was true compassion that paul had. Im yet to find one scripture old or new testament where we are told to pray for false teachers. When we read the book of Galatians for instance we see how paul addresses the church regarding a false doctrine that had been introduced. Why didnt paul just pray for the Galatians? Why didnt he just pray for the teacher who had decieved the galatians? Why did he write the book of galatians?

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Yeshuasboy May 12, 2010

"And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love & good deeds." - Heb 10:24 (NIV)

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Yeshuasboy May 12, 2010

If, by the grace of God, I ever become holy & pious as the Apostle Paul & the other apostles & prophets in the Holy Scriptures.... I, if God wills it, will then blast other men whom I perceive as false teachers & brethren; but, my angry words will I'm sure be drenched in the dew of heaven & the love of God. Please pray for me saints; I need the prayers of the Godly. Thankyou for your precious time.

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nearthecross May 12, 2010

If, by the grace of God, I ever become holy & pious as the Apostle Paul & the other apostles & prophets in the Holy Scriptures.... I, if God wills it, will then blast other men whom I perceive as false teachers & brethren

If you believe you need to be as "holy" as the apostles and prophets in order to call out false teachers...well, then you've missed the point of grace.

"For who sees anything different in you? What do you have that you did not receive? If then you received it, why do you boast as if you did not receive it?"
1 Corinthians 4:7

"But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace toward me was not in vain. On the contrary, I worked harder than any of them, though it was not I, but the grace of God that is with me."
1 Corinthians 15:10


You do not have to work up to some level of holiness in order to be able to discern and rebuke with authority. Christ is our righteousness, sanctification, and redemption (1 Cor.1:30). Any righteousness or holiness that you may have comes not from yourself, but from Christ. Every saint, from the least to the greatest, has the same righteousness and the same authority (to preach the Word, to rebuke, over demons, etc.) because these don't come from anything we do, but as a result of Christ's finished work on the cross, and His resurrection. They're God's gift to every believer. You don't have to earn a gift. It's truly all of grace.

I really don't know you, but if you are a true saint I would recommend a thorough and prayerful study of the Scriptures about WHO YOU ARE in Christ, and His great promises to you as a believer and child of God. It will truly encourage, empower, and FREE you. God's truth brings deliverance.

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Yeshuasboy May 12, 2010

Thanks nearthecross. I'll heed your advice; although I'd rather become holy 1st, than go around and blasting people on the internet 1st. I'll be judged with the same measure I judge others; my own words & thoughts will be set b4 me on that Great Day Of Judgment. Once the logs are taken out of my own eyes by the grace of God, then I will be better abled to take out splinters that are in the eyes of others, if God wills it to be done.

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