The Dangers of Christian Feminism

1 Peter 5:5 KJV
Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.

Titus 2
3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; 4 That they may teach the young women to be sober , to love their husbands, to love their children, 5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_feminism]Christian Feminism [/url]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_feminism

Christian feminism is an aspect of feminist theology which seeks to advance and understand the equality of men and women morally, socially, spiritually, and in leadership from a Christian perspective. Christian feminists argue that contributions by women in that direction are necessary for a complete understanding of Christianity.[1] Christian feminists believe that God does not discriminate on the basis of biologically-determined characteristics such as sex and race.[2] Their major issues include the ordination of women, male dominance in Christian marriage, recognition of equal spiritual and moral abilities, reproductive rights, and the search for a feminine or gender-transcendent divine.[3][4][5][6] Christian feminists often draw on the teachings of other religions and ideologies in addition to biblical evidence.[7]

The term Christian egalitarianism is sometimes preferred by those advocating gender equality and equity among Christians who do not wish to associate themselves with the feminist movement.

In a society in which men are being slowly degraded by Unemployment and other things and as Christians homosexuality and promiscuity is on the increase!
When you want to stay pure for your wife! and you have to fight each week to stay pure.

May question would be "Where are you heading?" When I talk to girls I find they are more interested in there career than in God. That once they have a career they can add the duties of a family and other such things on afterwards. When they cannot bare children and worse.

When I talk to guys I find that the Devil is trying to attack every avenue in which that they can not raise up family and children such as not having a proper work even thou qualified or there is simply no work in the area.

Genesis 1:22 KJV
And God blessed them, saying , Be fruitful , and multiply , and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

Ephesians 5:25 NKJ
Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her,

2 Thessalonians 3:10 NKJ
For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat.

I have been asking questions such as What is the idea of Courtship and Relationships in which a world in which doesnt employ christians and does not want christians to work and our persecuted? Can good christian females or males seemingly go to do mission work and it can not be in the Lords Will? What do Christian guys or girls do who evangelize and are tempted every week?

The reason I have brought this idea up is the whole averace of society is that women want to be like men. Even in the area of work such systems such as Marxism and Platonic thought push these ideas.

Yet most women I speak to are after the American dream but not the biblical aspect of denying yourself. There is nothing wrong with the American Dream as long as it does not become an American idolatry!

I believe in the equal rights of male and females but not equal roles.

Sometimes it just makes me want to cry because I seem more male evangelists than female and when you are out on the street you seem to get asked out by non christians more and more or if you do not have a wife you are considered gay.

It is as if we have a whole society in which is trying to destroy marriage and every aspect of it. I have listened to many different sermons on marriage and courtship. Yet none of them seem to ask say difficult questions ? Most of them deal with Ideal worlds? We live in a world which is fall of broken families. I would love to read a scholarly book in which this subject is dealt with in alot more depth.

In Titus 2 it refers to the Word of God being blasphemed if wives do not submit to there husbands. We are also told to submit to God and submit to one another.

it is Sad when I talk to girls and they have been pursuing there profession more than God!
The thing is the bible is the only book that promotes equality among women.

The thing is that I believe in a guys role to support his family to love his wife and to provide for her financially, spiritually and in every single way with the Lords help.

MY problem is attacking the ideology promoted by Hollywood and Universities.

EverestoSama,

"Oh no... the can's.... open.... worms.... everywhere...."

You ought not call the Bible,which is the very Word of God, a can.

Even worse,you've called it a can full of worms.

Repent!

Turn to God and His Truth, away from the god of this world and his twisted lies!

If the can of worms is never to be opened how then do you expect to catch a fish? :) I agree though this topic definitely a can of worms but I believe there are some on here that would like to further discuss this topic. I would just like to say I hope the peace and unity of fellowship isn't broken because of it.

I agree, If we remember that Love should reign supreme among us then the problem would at least be diminished. Here is to hoping I suppose! :) Maybe this will be a great chance for many of us to prove our maturity by discussing a touchy topic without verbally killing each other.

Brother, I know I'm just a woman but I'm a mother and I understand that you sound terribly upset but Christian feminism (is that a word? it's oxymoronish), anyway, Christian feminism is not your problem. I'm not trying to "teach" you anything but share an opinion that our enemy is the devil, not unsaved or saved women and their roles in society.

Brother, if you preach Jesus and Him crucified and stop trying to tear down down idealogies that the world promotes, your strength will not be zapped from you, it sounds like your it's YOUR anger, YOUR mantra, YOUR fight, and not God's and when we get out from underneath that covering and into doing OUR will for God instead of HIS will for us, we get overcome instead of doing the overcoming.

Stick to preaching the kingdom of God and it's soon coming King!!! When we preach what the Spirit would have us preach, then we are strong in every area and are NOT tempted.

God bless you if you read this!!

What exactly is christian feminism? If it does confuse women about the biblical roles they are to have then it i wrong and should be condemned and that openly lest one fall into it's snare. If it contradicts scripture, it should be condemned by all who believe in the inerrancy of the word and our responsibilty you to conform to it. Paul dealt with false teaching. He made it a subject of at least two of his epistles, Galatians and Colossians, so it worthy of bringing up if it is unscriptural and pollutes a lifestyle with unbiblical principles.

"Yet most women I speak to are after the American dream but not the biblical aspect of denying yourself. There is nothing wrong with the American Dream as long as it does not become an American idolatry!"

I just want to comment on this quote. A few days back someone suggested a book called "Radical" by David Platt, which I immediately purchased and am really being convicted by. This book takes a biblical re-look at "The American Dream". In my opinion this is a must read for every Christian, and especially Americans.

Now the the topic at hand. The enemy is always pressing his tactics and confusion forward. We should not be surprised. It is just sad that the label christian is attached to it.

I am a woman that has been walking with the Lord for 34 years. I just celebrated my 39 anniversary with my husband who badly needs Jesus. All this time I have studied the word and taken it to heart. My translation is, let the more mature women teach the younger women, so after 34 years I consider myself a little mature. However I have much more to learn, as we all do.

Women's position in God's order is not inferior, just different. Anything with two heads is a monster. God holds our husbands responsible to be the spiritual head of our households, and holds us responsible to submit to his authority. It is like Apostle, Prophet, Pastor, Evangelist, teacher. They are differing offices but equally as important, they just don't do the same functions. Submission is a joy when you really understand it because it pleases God. That doesn't mean we have to be brain dead, it just means the final decision is in the husbands hands, that way there is no confict. This brings peace to the household and family. It is a wonderful safe place to be. If I can do this, without compromising my convictions, with a backslidden husband, what can you do with a saved one? What we have to guard against is hacking him up if the decision he makes doesn't always turn out well. God is in control of that too and will bless the outcome sooner or later because of our obedience. All things work together for good to them that love God are are the called according to His purpose.

I was interested in buying the book radical I haven't gotten around to it, when I married my wife she was all about the American dream, buying a house, have a picket fence with a dog and two kids with the ideal job and everyone is happy and driving the nicest of everything and owns the nicest of everything. Then she meet me frugal, nerdy broke white kid that drove a beat up Ford Festiva that was quite content with the simplest of things and had very little interest in the nicest of things as long as it worked it was good. I am glad that I didn't really ever have a desire to fulfill the American Dream and this has actually rubbed off on my wife :)

Since Adam and Eve sinned there has been tension between the sexes. And it won't go away.

We cannot fix out there but we can work on it in our own private lives.

I do see where the older sisters have failed in promoting motherhood. We have been sold the American dream, like Matthew detailed his wife was into before she met him.

Years ago girls were taught homemaking. They were taught how to keep an orderly house; how to plant a garden and preserve its increase for winter; clothing construction; they were taught how to make bedding for the family; were taught how to beautify the home with the skills of her hands.

As women moved into the workplace, displacing males at some points, some of these skills were deemed as too time consuming. She could work a few hours and pay for whatever took hours to make at home. As a result these skills became history and are no longer taught in the home. Now all the wife can do is work out to make money to buy ready-made.

A serious loss has occurred with this mindset: the mom no longer is working with her children, teaching them skills in work, working together for the good of the family. Severe independence has resulted in with each individual seeks to look out for his own good rather then the good of the family as a whole. Today we call this mindset SELFISHNESS.

Since the mother is working away from the home, the family size has grown smaller. The economies of Europe are currently failing because of this very thing. You need a growing population of young people to sustain a civilization. The young are needed to help the old people. And there are fewer and fewer to do so.

When you have a couple who has only two children - at the most- the burden of caring for ageing parents becomes overwhelming. If the family is larger this burden can be shared among more, making it less bothersome for any one person. Of course, I also realize that the dynamics of too many families prevent this from happening because of favoritism shown to the children in their growing up years and now you have conflicts....in any case, the underlying case for children to care for their ageing parents remains the same.

I see now where we have not promoted motherhood, homemaking like we should have. We should teach our girls the delight in making things with our own hands, beautifying the home; teaching skills that make homemaking a delight and a pleasure, producing a high sense of satisfaction.

The modern prevailing thought looks with disdain at a woman who opts to remain at home....

The American dream is such that the woman is expected to work away from home. Then she comes home and is all tuckered out. The laundry still needs to be done as does the cooking, the cleaning. The woman dose not have the physical, emotional stamina to do it all. She is wore out. How can she give quality time that is imbued with patience toward her children? Can't be done. The children grow up angry for having been deprived of motherly care.

Today many children are raised in daycare centers. It has been shown that these children grow up to be bullies. This mindset was nourished because of the lack of restraint imposed by an observant mother. Conflicts between siblings occur naturally, but they need to learn to give and take. This is what moms are to do - referee these fights.

Ok, this is my piece...Deltdom knows I have a lot more to say...I focused on one of the practical aspects of womanhood...

And brothers, your wife needs your encouragement to battle against modern feminism. She needs your love, your assistance, your praise. If you praise her, this will motivate her to keep working at it whatever she is doing. Help her when she is weary - she gets tired, often - especially during certain times of the month. If she burns the food, do not criticize her, just throw away and start anew. If a dish turns out less tasty then you or her wished, be a good sport and eat it with pleasure and assure her you still love her and her attempts. Failure is part of life, one learns [likely] more from these lessons then any harsh criticisms.

Love her, brothers, and encourage her. She will reward you handsomely.

Blessings,
ginnyrose