Some of you are going get very angry and mad.

God is going to be showering people with more grace and mercy in a greater way in these last days.

This will upset many people.

Who will be upset?
Those that have worked hard for God.
Those that have been dependable.
Those that have been responsible.
Those that have been faithful.
Those that have been dedicated.
Those who have been obedient to the law.
Those who have been moral.

Why will these people be mad and upset?

God will fully forgive and accept those who have been none of these things. He will embrace the undependable, the irresponsible, the unfaithful, the disobedient and the immoral. God will give these people His robe of righteousness without their repentance.

Look at the elder brother in the story that we call the periodical son.

Luke 15:22-32, "But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet: And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill it; and let us eat, and be merry: For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry. Now his elder son was in the field: and as he came and drew nigh to the house, he heard musick and dancing. And he called one of the servants, and asked what these things meant. And he said unto him, Thy brother is come; and thy father hath killed the fatted calf, because he hath received him safe and sound. And he was angry, and would not go in: therefore came his father out, and intreated him. And he answering said to his father, Lo, these many years do I serve thee, neither transgressed I at any time thy commandment: and yet thou never gavest me a kid, that I might make merry with my friends: But as soon as this thy son was come, which hath devoured thy living with harlots, thou hast killed for him the fatted calf. And he said unto him, Son, thou art ever with me, and all that I have is thine. It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found."

If you are like the elder brother you will be mad because you have never been as bad as these others who have so wrong. You have been faithful and obedient and you want these people to somehow pay or be punished for their transgressions. You will be upset when God pours out his mercy and grace on these people in ways that you have never experienced.

When God moves in a revival of Grace and Mercy will you reject it because it does not fit in with your doctrine of repentance?

Amen this is a strong word of warning to us who feel we have more truth, more ministry experience and think we are better in the walk of holiness.

Oh may we grow in the grace and mercy of the Lord Jesus Christ.

This sounds like he was manly interested in food and shelter.

The father did not let him even finish his memorized speech.

Luke 15:14-22, "And when he had spent all, there arose a mighty famine in that land; and he began to be in want. And he went and joined himself to a citizen of that country; and he sent him into his fields to feed swine. And he would fain have filled his belly with the husks that the swine did eat: and no man gave unto him. And when he came to himself, he said, How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger! I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee, And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants. And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him. And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son. But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet:"

The real point here is the attitude of the elder brother who even refused to acknowledge his own brother.

Luke 15:27-30, "And he said unto him, Thy brother is come; and thy father hath killed the fatted calf, because he hath received him safe and sound. And he was angry, and would not go in: therefore came his father out, and intreated him. And he answering said to his father, Lo, these many years do I serve thee, neither transgressed I at any time thy commandment: and yet thou never gavest me a kid, that I might make merry with my friends:But as soon as this thy son was come, which hath devoured thy living with harlots, thou hast killed for him the fatted calf."

by shadyg on 2010/6/11 12:32:01

ah...but the prodical son did repent.

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.... and his brother didn't.

Beware and take heed.

Unforgiveness will kut us off from this grace so freely given.

i myself have been a sore-spot to many who have all the accolaides. i know several others who have been the fly in the ointment, too.

Second hand, though i did not want to even know, it has been told again and again, that "so-and -so thinks you or another brother is a liar" and "what makes him so special for God when he is not even in a 'ministry" "he doesn't live like i do", etc.

The sad part? i have been told to go to just a few (of many) of these unforgiving ones after they have walked away from grace through unforgiveness, and fallen from it. Their bitterness cuts them off. Much of what they have to deal with and God's ministry through them is harmed by their influence in this state.

Though in each instance of heeding that call, i have been priviledged to see restoration through repentance and conversion, just think if it never happened in the first place. It doesn't have to be that way.

Some people do not understand all that God has freely provided is as simple as asking and walking towards that request, believing God is well able, and will do as he says.

All in all, whether prodigal,obedient son, and/or our Father, it's about forgiveness.

CIAO!
g
Acts 20:32

It the difference between our selfs and God.
Walk in the everlasting covenant only in Jesus Christ or be cut off (through your own efforts):

Matthew 23:
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

James 2:
12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.

Micah 6:
7 Will the LORD be pleased with thousands of rams, or with ten thousands of rivers of oil? shall I give my firstborn for my transgression, the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul?

8 He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?

9 The LORD’S voice crieth unto the city, and the man of wisdom shall see thy name: hear ye the rod, and who hath appointed it.

Hosea 6:
4 O Ephraim, what shall I do unto thee? O Judah, what shall I do unto thee? for your goodness is as a morning cloud, and as the early dew it goeth away.

5 Therefore have I hewed them by the prophets; I have slain them by the words of my mouth: and thy judgments are as the light that goeth forth.

6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.

7 But they like men have transgressed the covenant: there have they dealt treacherously against me.

Jeremiah 9:
22 Speak, Thus saith the LORD, Even the carcases of men shall fall as dung upon the open field, and as the handful after the harvestman, and none shall gather them.

23 Thus saith the LORD, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches:

24 But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the LORD which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the LORD.

You can always tell if you know God in what He delights in doing, because He rubs off on you in a very big way. It's natural and effortless.

It's about forgiveness - (in judgement), which is as righteousness becomes us.

Edited: mixed up passages

by tuc on 2010/6/11 11:41:50

" ....He will embrace the undependable, the irresponsible, the unfaithful, the disobedient and the immoral. God will give these people His robe of righteousness...
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Reading this the first time something did not seem right.
It was re-read and wondered if you realized what you wrote (cont. from your text above):
...without their repentance."

It's understood that you meant that you need not make any sort of outward show of repentance, yet others may misunderstand.

Repentance was the young brother's turning FROM the pig stye and heading TOwards home:
I Sam. 16:7

You ended with:
"When God moves in a revival of Grace and Mercy will you reject it because it does not fit in with your doctrine of repentance?"

...and it's thought many who are praying for revival do not really have a clear picture of all the things that can and do happen...
...and more.

Anybody praying for revival, and has not been present in an 'outpouring', needs to look at historical accounts of what actually happens during these times.

(Anybody out there with some good suggestions in this regard???)

One booked account i have paid mind to is by Melchoir Tari about the revival in Soe, island of Timor, Indonesia. "Like a Mighty Wind" is the title.

Though i can't tell you the titles, i have read stuff accounted by Chas. Wesley and Chas. Finney.

Also, there are testimonies of several missionaries known, as well as what has been experienced at various locations here in the U.S.A.

From all that has been known, the one thing that stick in this mind is that those who oppose it, when there is an 'outpouring', no matter how hard they try to quell His Spirit's work, they are the ones forgotten.

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Isaiah 57:
15 For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.

16 For I will not contend for ever, neither will I be always wroth: for the spirit should fail before me, and the souls which I have made.

17 For the iniquity of his covetousness was I wroth, and smote him: I hid me, and was wroth, and he went on frowardly in the way of his heart.

18 I have seen his ways, and will heal him: I will lead him also, and restore comforts unto him and to his mourners.

19 I create the fruit of the lips; Peace, peace to him that is far off, and to him that is near, saith the LORD; and I will heal him.

20 But the wicked are like the troubled sea, when it cannot rest, whose waters cast up mire and dirt.

21 There is no peace, saith my God, to the wicked.

Edited: typos

Judah, the older brother, was the heir and the rest of the tribes of Israel who went away and laid with harlots (with other countries) was this prodigal son. This is the true meaning of the parable.

It's pretty hard to say this of a Christian, since the Christian never leaves the house. He's either in Christ or he isn't. He is either transferred from the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of light or he isn't. He's either sealed with the holy Ghost unto the day of redemption or he isn't. The blood of Jesus either covers him, or it doesn't.

God will fully forgive and accept those who have been none of these things. He will embrace the undependable, the irresponsible, the unfaithful, the disobedient and the immoral. God will give these people His robe of righteousness without their repentance.

Ginny and Mary Jane, you need to read what he was referring to and why it was said. There are no "red flags" if you took the time to understand what he was meaning.

Tuc was referring to the unrepented son who was to be heir of all that his father had.

Look at the Parable, that older brother was mad. He refused to go into the party, yet his father goes out to meet him and tells him that he is his heir to his property. Regardless of this son's position, he is still very much under the covering of his father.

Do you take the position that if you sin, you lose that righteous covering, even if you don't repent of that sin for a long time?

The greek word for repentance has nothing in it that says we are sorrowful.

The word repentance means "to change your mind" and nothing else.

Of sorrow and mourning and tears and on your knees and so on, there is nothing of these things in this word repentance.

The scripture, in another place makes it clear that there is sorrow that leads to repentance and there is sorrow that does not.

Maryjane and ginnyrose?
If the second post-(from phanetheus)-on page two of this thread is read, you will see further clarification.

ciao!
g
Acts 20:32