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sermonindex Jun 13, 2010

I'm taking recs.

I'm looking at the

Life Applications
John McArthurs
ESV Study Bible
NIV Quest Study Bible
Apologetics Study Bible
Chrono Study Bible

Right now I'm leaning towards the Life Applications and probably NIV or NASB but I hear it's biased but aren't all study bibles biased?

I'm looking for a study bible because I'm getting confused by reading the bible right now. I'm just looking for how others interpret it because I'm very extreme with my interpretations and the bible is confusing me especially when it comes to grace vs works, etc.

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HeedWatchmen Jun 13, 2010

Look only to God's Word as your guide.

I would encourage you to go with a basic KJV Bible with no study notes. Any time you have someone giving study helps you are getting man's opinion. We have been given the Holy Spirit as our guide. He will direct us and give us the understanding we need to study God's Word. When we are looking to "man's guidance" we are quenching what the Holy Spirit wants to say to us. When we pray, believing, and ask God to reveal what He is saying to us in a passage we will hear from Him.

Call Unto me, and I will answer thee, and shew thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not. Jeremiah 33:3

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TaylorOtwell Jun 13, 2010

God gave teachers to the church for a reason.

If you want a study Bible, I like the regular NIV study Bible. The ESV one is good but it is massive.

Personally, I would take a NKJV and then just use a separate commentary for notes.

Keep in mind the NIV is going to be updated in 2011.

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Solomon101 Jun 13, 2010

I personally like the ESV very much. However, I also agree with Taylor... it is quite large! If you are comfortable with the size of it then it is stellar.

The NIV you mentioned would be my second choice. It is a good choice as well.

Much of your choice depends upon what you want from the actual translation. The ESV is a more literal "word for word" translation while the NIV leans more to a "thought for thought" translation basis.

Both of them are good. They are just different.

Blessings!

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ccchhhrrriiisss Jun 13, 2010

Hello...

I very much like the Thompson Chain Reference Bible. This is a great Bible FILLED with study resources but doesn't infuse much doctrinal interpretation within the pages of the information. The "Chain Reference" links passages on similar subjects together in the outer columns of the pages. The end of the Bible is filled with a chain reference index, topical index, concordance, maps, photos, archeological supplement, and even diagrams of the Tabernacle, Temple, Ark, towns, etc...

It also contains many lists (complete with reference passages) regarding information that is helpful in study. For example, there is a section on the seven churches of Asia featured in Revelation 2-3, what was told to each of them, cross referenced passages about them, where they were located, and includes the various ideas that have been mentioned over time regarding them.

The Thompson Chain Reference is available in the KJV, NIV and the NASB. I have the KJV and the NIV...and I greatly appreciate them!

:-)

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nj15 Jun 13, 2010

R.C. Sproul has an Esv study bible with his thoughts, and commentary. It is not as large as the Esv (which I highly recommend) and has very good insight as well.
Noah J. (nj15)

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twayneb Jun 13, 2010

I am in no way KJV only, but if you are looking for a good study Bible, I suggest a plain Jane KJV. If you want some extra help in navigating, a Thompson Chain is a great choice.

My reason is primarily that the KJV is keyed to more study resources than any other version. If you use a computer reference like e-sword (There are others, but I am used to this one and love it.) you can download a lot of study resources for free. Brown Driver Briggs Hebrew lexicon, Thayers Greek lexicon, etc. You can also find Vines Expository online as well as many other good resources. All are primarily keyed to the KJV.

I am not much for study Bibles from different teachers. All will be flavored with their own particular interpretations. I do look at various commentaries on occasion to see what different men think about a passage, but I don't rely on them for interpretation. I simply pray about it and allow the Holy Spirit to speak.

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flameoffire Jun 14, 2010

I would recommend a wide margin Bible to take your own notes etc. If you want a study Bible the ESV is comprehensive and largely informational rather than interpretive. It often features a number of different ways to interpret a verse.

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twayneb Jun 14, 2010

You can get a five ring 8.5x11 Bible that is reallyh pretty awesome. We just bought one for a brother for his birthday. You can add your own pages for notes.

sermonindex Jun 14, 2010

Oh bouy, here we go...

In 30+ years going through the scriptures, not matter what Bible w or w/o affiliate study guide utilized, all that useless unused information made me rethink what i was doing. The only things ingrained were those things that were applied to personal situations. The continual reading of study guides, and books as well, whether exegetical or just commentary lays in the dust.

I can only recall words from the scriptures primarily, as well as passage reference numbers.

Usage of God's Word to you in your personal situations is the only thing that will remain. This comes by focus on the scriptures alone, because no one personal situation can be encompassed in the sideline prewritten notes of a Study Bible. Head knowledge as Paul suscinctly states, "puffeth up." If you wish to grow a garden of pride, speaking from experience, this is the best way to do it.

I have been forced through God's work in me to realize, just because 'i think i'

sermonindex Jun 14, 2010
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Areadymind Jun 14, 2010

My pastor personally knows a couple of the people who helped with the NKJV Study bible that Phan mentioned and he told me the other day that he can vouch for their excellent efforts in trying not to slant any interpretation too much any one way. He gives these bibles out at our fellowship regularly to new believers and it seems to be a help.

I am with Travis too though. The KJV has the most helps, and trusting the Holy Spirit to help you understand it is by far the best. I study the KJV primarily but have to teach out of other versions as the KJV elicits too many blank stares from people. Just make sure if you are going to use the KJV to download E-Sword and go through the study tool on their that helps to explain Elizabethan English, as many of the words in the KJV do not mean the same thing today that they did back then. It can cause you to jump to false conclusions if you are not aware of the language problem.

I would also keep John Chapter 7:16-18 in mind whenever studying the word.

sermonindex Jun 14, 2010

In my opinion, we become confused while reading the bible, when we read it in an effort to understand it and derive information from it, rather than obey it.

Your desire to look to others to interpret it for you is alarming to me. If you can be persuaded by one teacher, you can be dissuaded by another. Men are anxious to pull you into their belief systems and "pet" doctrines. This in turn bolsters their perception of their own right-ness. This is why we are given the Spirit of Truth that will guide us into all righteousness.


Beware of the "WE-BELIEVE!" mentality. Your very own faith, and it alone is what will be tested here on the Earth, and judged when you enter Heaven. Let no man pull you away from the simplicity that is in Christ.


However, I admire your transparency and courage to bear your heart open in a matter as intimate as your personal faith, and your issues with confusion. I appreciate this; really, for so many are, but would never admit it.

Personally, I doubt whether a new Bible is the answer to your dilemma, but a new approach to the Bible possibly. Begin to read the Bible as an act of worship; to feed in Pastures that your Heavenly Father is delighted to meet you in. Read it in it's simplicity; and return to the gospels, and the parables....praying as you go asking for His heart.


The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life, and we can certainly..[ All of us..] get caught up in the letter of the bible, and lose that inward food that agrees with the Word. The Spirit and the Word agree.


I read a few bibles, often comparing passages. I highly recommend "BIBLE GATEWAY .COM"

They have 20 or so full English bibles that you can peruse, study, or copy and paste, with a ton of helps and study guides.


My main bread and butter bible is:

The MASTER STUDY BIBLE
NEW AMERICAN STANDARD
by ;HOLMAN BIBLE PUBLISHERS

IT'S ABOUT 2400 PAGES, WITH parallel gospels, chronology, a prophetic section, manuscripts, thematic approaches, a dandy encyclopedia, a concordance, maps, chain references, and multiple references to the original language within the passage..[ I really like that..].


I read it,[ this one for 27 years..] with a KJV near, to compare...and interchange now and then.


Hope this helps. Thank you for you openness....I'm sure it has ministered to many.

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ginnyrose Jun 14, 2010

I agree with Brothertom's post.... I especially like his opening paragraph:"we become confused while reading the bible, when we read it in an effort to understand it and derive information from it, rather than obey it." Saying this does not diminish the importance of the rest of the post.

I would like to add one more thing - am not sure if anyone else said it...

I use a "The International Inductive Study Bible" NASB. It has charters throughout the book that you will find helpful. It will help you a lot in bringing about the WOW factor as you read.

Next I want to get a Chronological Bible - it would help me a lot in reading Jeremiah..

Blessings

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Areadymind Jun 14, 2010

"In my opinion, we become confused while reading the bible, when we read it in an effort to understand it and derive information from it, rather than obey it."

This is exactly why I said to keep the verses in mind that I quoted. Discernment and understanding of the Word flows from a heart of obedience. Understanding the scriptures is only a means to that end. When one has a heart of disobedience they could read a million translations and not a one of them would make a lick of sense. Some of the "Study Bibles" out there could very well be interpretations from men whom have hearts of disobedience, thus lending to the confusion of understanding.

God will bankrupt heaven and offer riches of discernment to those whom will obey even the simplest of its commands with a meek heart and a contrite spirit.

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twayneb Jun 14, 2010

Codek: Here is one source. I am sure there are many.

http://www.parable.com/parable/search.asp?searchtype=3&criteria=&filt=%3CDepartment%3E3955%3C/Department%3E&OrderBy=Sales&filt=%3CFormat%3ELoose%20Leaf%3C%2FFormat%3E

Do you have some mature men and women of God with whom you study the word, or who you can discuss what you are studying and the conclusions you come to?

sermonindex Jun 19, 2010
sermonindex Jun 19, 2010


Hi codek,

As Brothertom very well said:

I doubt whether a new Bible is the answer to your dilemma, but a new approach to the Bible possibly. Begin to read the Bible as an act of worship; to feed in Pastures that your Heavenly Father is delighted to meet you in. Read it in it's simplicity; and return to the gospels, and the parables....praying as you go asking for His heart.

I've been trying to read the bible that way and I think I am misinterpreting the scriptures.
I suspect God's been speaking to you, and showing you how He knows more than those who promulgate certain doctrines.

Probably you are trying to find the 'doctrine' with which you are familiar, supported by scripture. Ha! That's a tough one! Snippets maybe, but whole doctrines? No. Often, it seems that a carnal mind has been at work, filling in the gaps God's word does not appear to explain. However, if you go looking for what God actually says, you will find Him giving you the definitions (keys) to make sense of HIS attitudes and the assumptions which govern other of His words and actions.

In contrast, most 'doctrine' carved out by men, leaves some of the rock behind. The more I've read the Bible, the more I've wondered if the people who make up doctrines EVER read the WHOLE Bible. It's clear they've read some of it, but it does seem to be selective (often).

The moment one notices all other stuff not fitting with the 'doctrine', it inevitably throws one off a previously held course, and requires the essential renewing of our minds - many times.

Norman Meeten (Find him in the speakers here.) once said, 'The moment you think you have all your theology settled, along comes God and upsets the applecart.' I've found it true. God knows how much we like to depend for our security on a sense of having everything under control; whereas He wants us to be depending on HIM and His LIVING word for every breath and thought, and to glorify Him no matter what circumstances our lives - in His infinite wisdom - encounter.

If you read the New Testament carefully, the references to how and what we should believe, and do, are very clearly stated. (Rom 10) Much comes from the teaching of Jesus Christ Himself, and references to that teaching: 1 Cor 8:2, 1 Tim 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, [even] the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; 4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, 5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth,

Then, there are keys stemming from when Paul was converted from being a seriously violent, unbelieving Jew, (Acts 9) into one who was desirous gently to NURSE the Galatians back into new life after they'd been 'bewitched' by false doctrine. The moment when Paul corrects Peter is also instructive, and, Acts 10, when God gives Peter a universal lesson in how to think about all peoples.

I think you'll find more clues here also:

Acts 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added [unto them] about three thousand souls. 42 And they continued stedfastly in the APOSTLES' DOCTRINE and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers. 43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles. 44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common; 45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all [men], as every man had need. 46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, 47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

Eph 5:21

Confusion as a condition, according to the Bible, accompanies those who do know God, or God's word, or God's ways, and who at the same time, are battling internally with some other god's grip of their mind, or grip of a practice (or lifestyle). Deliverance from the confusion comes, when - probably with God's help - the decision is made to abandon worship of the other god, not matter what form that worship has taken.

God is very faithful, and gracious, as He bears with us in these stuggles. He is certain (and I can testify) that He can deliver, and there should come a moment for the struggler, when he (or she) can agree with God on that point, take the step, and keep hanging on until there has developed a history of that deliverance in the believer's experience, by which he can testify of God's power to save.

Only the Holy Spirit promotes the Truth. Every other spirit is a liar.

EDIT: to support the above last statement:

Leviticus 18:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, I am the LORD your God. 3 After the doings of the land of Egypt, wherein ye dwelt, shall ye not do: and after the doings of the land of Canaan, whither I bring you, shall ye not do: neither shall ye walk in their ordinances. 4 Ye shall do my judgments, and keep mine ordinances, to walk therein: I [am] the LORD your God. 5 Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments: which if a man do, he shall live in them: I [am] the LORD.

27 (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which [were] before you, and the land is defiled;) 28 That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that [were] before you.

If they could do what God said without the indwelling Holy Spirit, we have no excuse.

Love not the world. Rom 2:29

Rev 3:16 It's not about our doctrine, it's about 'you', me, us, and whether our relationship with God Himself is pleasing to HIM.

sermonindex Jun 19, 2010

@brothertom

That is a new concept to me. I'm really trying to know and understand more about God and how to be a christian by reading the bible. Right now, all the examples of christians I have seen in my lifetime are so confusing. Some are straight up whitewashed tombs. Some are afraid to speak up even though they know something isn't right with their christian life. Some are just weird christians that go to church like a job. I just don't get how to do this right.

That's why I was more focused on the word.

I think most of us new christians read for knowledge and instruction, instead of an act of worship. Personally, I just started to read as an act of worship. I'm not merely reading it like an instruction manual but I am hungry to know who God is personally and am seeking him with my heart when I read most of the time. Well I think it's 50/50, sometimes I do it cause I know I have to because you don't always feel like reading the bible I guess.

I am having a hard time with the obedience part. My relationship with God hasn't been strong all my life. I feel that he left me hanging alone when I truly tried to follow him with all of my life and I left everything hanging and I was devasted. So, right now, I have a hard time trusting God. I'm trying to learn more about him through reading the word, books, sermons and just talking to Him and experiencing Him through my life. I have to say that He is more evident in my life today and He has shown me that sometimes He truly shows His love through my suffering. That's why I was suffering so much and weeping all the time when He took away everything from me.

"Your desire to look to others to interpret it for you is alarming to me. If you can be persuaded by one teacher, you can be dissuaded by another. Men are anxious to pull you into their belief systems and "pet" doctrines. This in turn bolsters their perception of their own right-ness. This is why we are given the Spirit of Truth that will guide us into all righteousness."

I guess I misinformed you guys about why I wanted the study bible. It was more about the maps, background stories and such. Knowing the historical background really helps me out when I read the bible. I'm not really focusing on verse by verse interpretations. I have experienced the Holy Spirit talking to me through scripture but I'm not the most seasoned in recognizing when the Holy Spirit is talking to me.


@ginnyrose

Thanks for the rec. I will check out those two bibles you have mentioned. I'm excited about all this bible talk.

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fromtheold Jun 19, 2010

What is a loose leaf bible?

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