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question about Jesus' name

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anonymity Jun 13, 2010

First,

how do you pronounce it in Hebrew? Yeshua Hamashiach? Or Yehoshua or what?

Second,

It means God's chosen savior basically right? Jesus being God saves and Christ being anointed one chosen one?

Third,

do you think He was named Jesus because it means savior? Or more specifically because he was named after Joshua who was one of the clearest foreshadowings of Christ? Deu 3:28 But charge Joshua, and encourage him, and strengthen him: for he shall go over before this people, and he shall cause them to inherit the land which thou shalt see.

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twayneb Jun 13, 2010

I am not a Hebrew scholar by any stretch of the imagination, but I think Yeshua is simply Joshua in English. The name Yeshua can also be trasliterated from Hebrew to Greek to Latin to English as Jesus. The name was nothing special in itself as many people before and after bore that name. Mashiach "Messiah" is very significant because there is only one who can bear this name. Christos in the Greek meant the anointed one and though it is probably most descriptive of Jesus' anointing with the Holy Spirit of God. Jesus Christ is our savior, but the name "Jesus" in and of itself does not, I think, mean savior. Interestingly enough I heard a top 40 song that was playing on Israeli radio and in the discos in Israel about six or seven years ago that included the line, "Meshiach, Mechiac, Meshiac..." and was all about the coming Messiah.

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anonymity Jun 13, 2010

yeah im also wondering why it is Jesus instead of Joshua.

and i think Jesus means savior because it means Jehovah saved and in the NT is says he shall be called Jesus for he shall save his people from their sins.

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Areadymind Jun 13, 2010

I am not entirely positive but I would venture to guess that we say "Jesus" because of the Latin transliteration.

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ChrisJD Jun 14, 2010

Hi anonymity.

I was taught that the Hebrew name means God saves.


I think that is why the LORD chose to have this name for Himself.

His name is esentially His reputation.


And there is nothing, if I can say as humbly as a creature could say, there is nothing more fitting for God to be called upon and remembered by in this World,

than God saves.

God, our Saviour.


Isaiah 45:22, 43:10-11

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Areadymind Jun 14, 2010

Amen ChrisJD

When I was young in the faith (and still questioned the Bible a lot) I was a bit put off by how much the Word put so much stock into peoples names and their meanings. I have started to realize that a name is incredibly important to God.

And we will each be given a name that no one knows.

God's names cannot be separated from who He is. As His name is synonymous with His Character. Jesus is no different.

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JoanM Jun 14, 2010

Oh now Anonymity, you kinda answer your own question #3, in a second post. Kinda. Question three was: Third,

do you think He was named Jesus because it means savior? Or more specifically because he was named after Joshua who was one of the clearest foreshadowings of Christ? Deu 3:28 But charge Joshua, and encourage him, and strengthen him: for he shall go over before this people, and he shall cause them to inherit the land which thou shalt see.

DOESN'T MATTHEW 1: 21-23 say directly: "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us."

There is alot to be found using, say, The Blue Letter Bible with the Strong's numbers.

But that is the heart of it: That is the first thing to say don't you think. Of course yes, I agree, as our resurrected Lord showed the two on the Road to Emmaus, the scriptures speak of Him, He is throughout His Word, redemption, the Gospel, the coming Christ, He is walked out in part, in flesh and blood history.

But the Matthew passage,the Greek and referenced Hebrew of it, nail the sticking point for the Jews at the time, and today: [The son of man, whom they crucified, whom God resurrected] Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, as John puts it (John 20:31).

I agree very much about the importance of "His name", "life through His name". John 8:30-59 makes a clear distiction about the difference believing in Him can make without continuing into the truth of His name.


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anonymity Jun 27, 2010

So is Joshua Messiah the correct english rendering for the name Jesus Christ? Since Jesus and Christ are derived from the Latin?

check out the epitomology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_christ

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anonymity Jun 28, 2010

anyone?

sermonindex Jun 29, 2010

Messiah is a title. In modern Hebrew, it is Meschiach.

As an addendum to His name, "ha" is the qualifier between the name and title.

The name of Adonai is YHVH, pronounced Yaweh, not Jehovah. Jehovah is a perversion of hebrew vernacular by Northern European Assyrians (aka: Germans). It was because of the harsh gutteral linguistic means of expression that the Y became a J. Because there were no vowels in Adonai's name, they took the Germanic pronounced vowel sounds of elohim, and placed them between the consonants.

YHVH became revealed as YHShVH in His earthly presence. The modern Hebrew pronounciation of YHShVH is Yeshuah.

So we get "Yeshuah ha' Meschiach'.

This thread has been watched and you cause wonder as to why this is so significant? The power of His name is in recognition of His: presence, purpose, and power...not in the way this is pronounced. God is God to all nations (including those with speech impediments).


Agapeo,
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anonymity Jun 29, 2010

watched?

anyways, um, thanks for your input but it is not specifically the answer to the specific question that i asked.

i already know the hebrew pronunciation and YHVH thing.

the initial responses stated the names Jesus and Christ were from Latin.

then I already know the Hebrew pronunciation.

the question is now what is the true english translation?

i mean why use latin words probably from the catholic church.

i would rather even use the hebrew pronunciation.

but since i speak english maybe it would be good to speak in english.

and i think the correct english word is joshua and messiah.

this isnt a huge deal but i am curious to know. its just a question. and i think its weird that im being "watched" but i guess there are weird people. but all im doing is asking a question. im also not trying to cause "wonder" i think i have a reason for my question. anyways not being rude just trying to clear up the things you were saying because they seemed a bit off.

back to the topic i hope to hear what people have to say about the english rendering of the name Jesus Christ.

sermonindex Jun 29, 2010

by anonymity on 2010/6/26 16:40:29

So is Joshua Messiah the correct english rendering for the name Jesus Christ? Since Jesus and Christ are derived from the Latin?

If you use the name Joshua, you will confuse some, whether or not there is the title with it.

God Bless you and yours
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sermonindex Jun 29, 2010

You weren't being watched, the thread was: as to what type of responses were going to come up.

The reason for the first post from here was to clear up the mispelling and possible misunderstanding regarding how you started this thread. As, well, if you really wanted to be literal about pronounciation of these names, it was put in black and white.

Why not say His name as it originates?

Probably the same reason you might not want to use Joshua. However, if you wish to be entirely accurate, the J is from the Germanic gutteralizing of the Y in 'Y'Hoshua'.


How that?
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anonymity Jun 29, 2010

So if Joshua is the english rendering of the Hebrew Yeshua and the Latin Jesus.

Then what is the english rendering of Christ and Maschiach? Is it Messiah?

sermonindex Jun 29, 2010

Joshua is the German rendering of the name YHShvh.

Meschiach is Messiah in English. Messiah also contains within the meaning of the word "God's annointed" as well as God's chosen redeemer king.

Christ, depending on context, ...welll, let's just say this refers to the annointing (of God). As a title it is "God's annointed."

His name shall be called Yeshuah... (the meaning of the name--->), "for he shall save his people from their sins. There is no allusion to joshua in this although Jesus is Joshua's anti-type (among others).

Anything else?

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anonymity Jul 1, 2010

ok so messiah is the english word.

but your saying joshua is german and not english?

my main question is Joshua Messiah the correct english rendering yes or no?

thanks

sermonindex Jul 2, 2010

Through study of etymology and spermoligical origins of words, most English words are primarily derrived from three sources: Greek, Latin, and Germanic LanguageS.

Jesus Christ is the usual way the English speaking say His name. Germans say Jesus Christus.

For the prophet/leader of the Israelites succeeding Moshe, Germans say Joshua or sometimes Josua. English recognize the name Joshua to be him.

Personally, i try to consider my audience, and use the rendition of His name most appropriate towards the hearer/readers understanding.

When alone with God, i speak to Him as i know best, yet sometimes this bleeds over in speech and writing.
( Others are sometimes confused by this, and ask "why..." later on.)

Agapeo,
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Acts 20:32

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