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Mark Driscoll: A Continuing Saga in the Emergent Church Movement!

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deltadom Jul 3, 2010

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Driscoll[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Driscoll]Mark Driscoll[/url]

Sometimes as a christian , we tend to go for movements and such as the Purpose Driven Life Movement or say the Emergent Church but do not realize that these movements change all the time!

I have been working through all the stock at our local christian bookshop and realizing how much the emergent church movement has changed!

The reason I put up this post I suddenly realized how popular he is ! Most of the books against the Emergent Church do not deal with !


From:http://www.mbla.org/Driscoll_Quotes.htm

Driscoll: Writing for the furtherance of the emerging church:

“Now that the time has come to write, I am presenting this book as a contribution toward the furtherance of the emerging church in the emerging culture.” (Radical Reformission, p.17)

“I invite you to turn the page and begin a radical journey with me as we explore what life in Christ can mean in the context of an emerging church in a changing world.” (Radical Reformission, p.23)

What kind of “gospel” does the emerging church proclaim?

“The emerging church proclaims a gospel of freedom.” (Confessions, p. 25)

Why did Driscoll start Mars Hill Church?

“So I decided to start a church, for three reasons. First, I hated going to church and wanted one I liked, so I thought I would just start my own. Second, God had spoken to me in one of those weird charismatic moments and told me to start a church. Third, I am scared of God and try to do what he says.” (Confessions, p.39)

Driscoll’s vision for his Church:

“I envisioned a large church that hosted concerts for non-Christian bands and fans on a phat sound system, embraced the arts, trained young men to be godly husbands and fathers, planted other churches, and led people to work with Jesus Christ as missionaries to our city.” (Confessions, p.40)

Just a few minor problems in the secular music ministry:

“In its first few years, the Paradox [a secular music ministry of Driscoll’s church] hosted about 650 concerts for about 65,000 kids. We have had only a few minor problems, like the Japanese punk band that got naked during their set for no apparent reason and another band that set off fireworks during their show.” (Confessions, p.127)

No position on stealing?

“Our church services started to stink a whole lot less. We scraped together enough money to buy some big honking speakers, and I stole an unused sound console from my old church along with a projection screen, which were sins that Jesus thankfully died to forgive.” (Confessions, p.62)

Stolen Electricity?

“We never paid for electricity in our office apartment because the building was illegally hooked up to the power grid and all our power was stolen.” (Confessions, p.125)

Driscoll’s R-rated sermons on sex:

“Some of the sermons on sex were R-rated, and we gave warnings to parents and sometimes saw whole visiting youth groups walk out blushing halfway through the sermon. On other occasions, people walked out during the sermon and flipped me off on their way out, a trend that has continued.” (Confessions, p.134)

Just an occasional R-rated movie at church:

“Pastor James continues to lead our monthly film and theology class, at which attendance rises to more than two hundred people depending on the film. He continues to show an occasional unedited R-rated movie to train our people to think critically about the themes preached through film, which is the new cultural form of preaching.” (Confessions, p.157)

A passion for “cool?”

“I had grown facial hair, started cussing again (I had stopped for about fifteen minutes after I got saved), and briefly considered taking up smoking but had asthma, which kept me from achieving my full cool potential.” (Confessions, p.50)

Tithing and cussing issues?

“Apparently, the Ghost only led people to give once every presidential election, and I hit rock bottom one Sunday when our offering was $137. I stood alone in the room, counting the money and cussing at the offering box for being filled with one-dollar bills and the ominous smell of imminent death.” (Confessions, p.47)

Gambling for God?

“I occasionally bought lottery tickets and promised God I would tithe if he’d let me win, but to no avail.” (Confessions, p.58)

Why does Driscoll continue to be thought of as the “cussing pastor?”

“This season [at church] was messy and I sinned and cussed a lot, but God somehow drew a straight line with my crooked Philistine stick.” (Confessions, p.130)

Teaching the men of Mars Hill the essentials of life:

“We also began a ‘boot camp’ for our young men, teaching them how to get a wife, have sex with that wife, get a job, budget money, buy a house, father a child, study the Bible, stop looking at porn, and brew decent beer.” (Confessions, p.131)

Why the confusion in Driscoll’s church?

“I also did not explain in written form that we were theologically conservative and culturally liberal, which caused great confusion because half of the church was angry that the other half was smoking, while the other half was angry that I taught from the Bible.” (Confessions, p.46)

(Driscoll also writes about being “culturally liberal yet theologically conservative” in his book, “Radical Reformission,” p.22)

Adam and Eve: “Happy, horny [and] holy?”

“The Bible could end right there [in Genesis], after only two chapters, with the man and woman naked, eating fruit, and trying to fill the earth all by their happy, horny, holy selves.” (Radical Reformission, p.28)

Abraham: “a cowardly old man?”

“As time rolls along, God also works through a cowardly old man named Abraham, who is happy to whore out his loving and beautiful antique of a wife to avoid conflict.” (Radical Reformission, p.28)

Driscoll speaks of Mary and Joseph:

“And to top it all off, God comes to earth. He has a mom whom everyone thinks is a slut, a dad whom they think has the brilliance of a five-watt bulb for believing the ‘virgin birth’ line, and brothers who likely pummel him frequently, because even God would have to get at least one wedgie from his brothers if he were to be fully human.” (Radical Reformission, p.29)

Jesus telling “knock-knock jokes?”

“To the religious leaders, Jesus is a scandal – his followers are felons – and every time they see Jesus, it agitates them that he is always surrounded by a crowd, telling knock-knock jokes to miscreants who love his sense of humor (because his perfection had to have included comedic timing).” (Radical Reformission, p.30)

Jesus kicks off His ministry as a “bartender?”

“Anyway, Jesus shows up at the wedding and begins his public ministry. God has come to earth, and he kicks things off as a bartender.” (Radical Reformission, p.30)

A steady diet of the things of this world will make us better missionaries?

“I am encouraging Christians on reformission to involve themselves in their local cultures not merely for the purpose of entertainment but primarily for the purpose of education. As a missionary, you will need to watch television shows and movies, listen to music, read books, peruse magazines, attend events, join organizations, surf websites, and befriend people that you might not like to better understand people that Jesus loves.” (Radical Reformission, p.103)

Driscoll: Repenting of his sin of abstinence from alcohol?

“After I entered the ministry as a man of legal drinking age, the drum was again repeatedly beaten for me by well-meaning older pastors. So I never drank alcohol until I was thirty years of age. About that time, I was studying the Scriptures for a sermon about Jesus’ first miracle of turning water into wine, as reported in John’s gospel, a miracle that Jesus performed when he was about my age. My Bible study convicted me of my sin of abstinence from alcohol. So in repentance I drank a hard cider over lunch with our worship pastor.” (Radical Reformission, p.146)

How do we deal with People like this

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ginnyrose Jul 4, 2010

This is scandalous! No reverence for a holy God or Jesus...

How do I deal with it? I will buy no books written by this fellow or any of his buddies. Actually, it is coming to the point where too many modern 'inspirational' writings are contaminated with deception that I will not read it, which means I will not buy it.

I do not wonder but that God must grieve...

How do you deal with it?

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JB1968 Jul 4, 2010

Sounds like he needs to really be saved. Romans 6:1-2 and I Peter 1:14-16 are still the truth.

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mguldner Jul 4, 2010

How do you deal with it?

Well hand them over to Satan and let him do his handy work, God will judge in the end we should definitely be praying for this individual and any and every member of his church.

sermonindex Jul 4, 2010

Fruits of hyper-Calvinism, sorry if that ticks anyone off. If you think some of this stuff is bad, you should catch wind of the stuff he says that's not published.

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Lucash Jul 5, 2010

A good, devout Christian brother pointed me to Mark Driscoll about a year ago, since then I've listened to maybe 6-7 of his sermons... After reading this, I don't know what to think. I thought Driscoll was good! I've never read any of his books, just heard of him those 6-7 times, but he does hold a place in my iPod Podcast... but for how long now, I'm not sure.

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Compton Jul 5, 2010

This goes to show that a preachers sad attempts to resonate with vulgar pop culture is a poor interpretation of the example of Paul's address on Mars Hill.

Now, I have heard information that seems to indicate that Mark Driscoll has been confronted by men like John Piper and Steve Camp on his coarse and profane speech and that he accordingly repented.

So a question I would have in regards to these quotes is how recent are they?

MC

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gzus Jul 14, 2010

Driscoll has repented of most of those quotes and sadly by quoting only those things it unfairly represents the majority of Mark Driscoll's ministry.

In my opinion his vulgarity seems unwise for a Pastor, but the old time reformers like Luther and the likes were also pretty vulgar. "Respectable sins" of certain cultures tend to get overlooked.

Not to excuse Luther or Driscoll, but we all have our culturally acceptable sins that get overlooked. Again, not to excuse them because of that, but it doesn't seem right to demonize or discredit them because of that either.

God bless

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gzus Jul 14, 2010

Not to mention that the emergent "church" is a rebuke to the Church in America.

If the Church was doing what is called to, and walking in obedience, and following the early Church's example, by reaching out and caring for the lost, the emergent "church" wouldn't be so popular.

I do not support the emergent so called "church", but I also see that the American Church needs to wake up and return to it's roots and start getting serious about the Great Commission instead of turning the Church into holy huddle social clubs.

Mark Driscoll tells it like it is, doesn't sugar coat anything, has a strong emphasis on doctrine and obedience, unashamedly preaches the FULL GOSPEL, and is still reaching the lost in a way that most American Churches are not.

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LadyMac Feb 1, 2012

I have to say that I find Mark Driscoll a real danger to the church especially for women, there may be some things he is doing exceptionally well, but unfortunately his tell it like he sees it is style is damaging and offensive to women. I feel for women who are in his services who listen to him tell them they are not qualified to fullfill God's call on their lives just because they are a woman. The oppressive spirit in which he teaches can only be harmful. Thankfully God has sent Godly men who have been able to speak life affirming words to me and wash away the damage that this man has done to me, but only reading 1 interview! I really hope God and other Christians encourage Mark to consider the words he is using with regards to women in ministry. The harvest is plenty but the workers are few, pray to the Lord of the Harvest to send more workers(mark driscoll would add as long as they are not women!) I would add let us include women as well! I am personally praying for him and really encourage all those who read this to pray for him. And also not to listen to his sermons!

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MrBillPro Feb 1, 2012

You know, I have personally witnessed good,Godly Christian men, turn to alternatives to the true word of God teachings. I have pondered this many, many times, because I was attending a Bible study for a while, that the person holding the study got so bored with the study, he turned it into a prophesy session. He really got into Matthew Stephens and other self proclaimed prophets, of course needless to say I ran out the back door as fast as I could. I personally think some folks really do get "bored" for lack of a better word, with the word, and begin to reach out to more exciting things, that get them so far out there, their pride keeps them from coming back to the Bible. I truly believe this does happen, and LadyMac your right, we need to pray for them, because we all have to remember, our fight is not against flesh and blood.

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jimp Feb 1, 2012

hi, today i went on the computer and typed in marshill and saw his most recent series is on marriage. i put on the first sermon..a new marriage with the same wife. this was the best preaching and teaching on marrage from his testimony and the bible i have heard in 48 years. i was very close to len ravenhill and what i heard today is with lens ability to communicate Jesus.what anyone could crticize would amaze me. lookds like judgement by reputation.i prayed earlier if i should start a mark driscoll topic and came on line and here it is.you go listen to what he is preaching in jan.2012 and then comment or be wise not to say anything out of your laziness and ignorance.jimp iw ish i could havew heard the sermon i listened to today years ago for it would have saved me much grief.

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jimp Feb 1, 2012

hi, i was hoping to have one taker to the challenge i put forth.jimp

sermonindex Feb 1, 2012


"I do not wonder but that God must grieve...
How do you deal with it?"..Ginnyrose

The most awful judgment a false church, or a man or woman who has fallen away, is not to know it. Then, you just go about your religion without the Holy Spirit, and live your life for yourself , and in the end, die in your sins. This is the ministry of Mr. Driscoll.

"Because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

"And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:"

What should be done? What is done here, now. By exposing him as off the wall, and warning others as it comes before us. [ Would you want your son or daughter attending here, and drinking this foul water as the Gospel? ]

We are witnessing THE GREAT FALLING AWAY. Sometimes the Devil doesn't come with a pitchfork and horns; he comes with just a little bit of a tasty morsel to mix in with your bread. This is the nature of the "Emergent Church".

What is sold as freedom here, is really a rejection of the cross that bites into our soul lives and demands that we die to ourselves...DENY OURSELVES..and follow Jesus.

This is the only way we learn to bear fruit, and learn to love.

"I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.

So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth!

Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see."

Mixture and self-promotion kills, no matter how cool you think your gospel message may be. I wrote this on a recent Driscoll thread.

"My take on Driscoll is one of self promoting egotism, with very little of New Testament Christianity shining through. He seems to thrive, as your typical media shock-Jock usually does...promoting radical confrontation in the name of being real, to expose the hypocrisy of the ne'r-do-wells....and to shock the masses with his courageous endorsement of some rather odd liberties."Brothertom

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jimp Feb 1, 2012

brother tom, you did go and listen to what this man is preaching today didn't you as to voice an opine without doing so is more wicked than what you realize.krino not...i was recruited by charles simpson into what turned out to be a cult under the guize of decipleship andhad ought against him and the other first line of the leadership. after gnawing at this for a year, i ran into charles and told him about my anger toward him... he begged for forgiveness and told me that he had repented of this many months ago.God opened my eyes to the fact that i was angry with a brother in the Lord for no reason for a long tim... no wonder some prayers did not get answered.jimp if you would have heard peter by the fire and spread stories of his weekness you would not have believed what and how he preached on pentacost.

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hoohoou Feb 1, 2012

There are a lot of quotes here, that's true. Are we going to judge this man who's giving his life for the cause of Christ because of a few snippets? They are not even set in context. If I pulled just a few random verses from the Bible God would be a raging lunatic murderer. It's not fair to Mark Driscoll.

What's funny to me about all the turmoil with him right now is that no group likes him. The more conservative veins of Christendom reject him and the more liberal veins of Christendom reject him.

Driscoll has stated before that he withdrew himself from the Emergent Church movement due to theological differences. Using the words emerging church and emerging culture are only descriptors for reaching a younger generation.

For better or worse this is a guy who is preaching Jesus. The only commenter who said they had listened to his preaching said he thought Driscoll was good.

How many others have actually taken the time to listen?

Before you throw stones why don't you read a book or two, listen to a sermon or two and then decide? I've listened to a lot of his preaching and speaking. I don't even really like listening to him. I don't like his delivery style. However, I still believe that he is preaching Christ to the best of his ability.

Yes, much of what he says is shocking and I wouldn't phrase certain things the same. But the people he's trying to reach are not home school kids. He's preaching to a segment of the population who have been hardened by a lost world and are utterly lost. He's preaching to them and he's reaching them. He's getting their attention and they are responding.

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Yeshuasboy Feb 1, 2012

We need more books in "christian" bookstores these days like Alleine's "Call to the Unconverted", so that people really know that God doesn't save men in pieces. This half-conversion followed with a carnal-peace smells of fire and brimstone.
Pray, ye saints of Christ - God's will be done!

sermonindex Feb 1, 2012

CRUCIFY HIM!!!!

CRUCIFY HIM!!!!

CRUCIFY HIM!!!!

feels good, doesnt that?

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jimp Feb 1, 2012

hi, that is sad.

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Lysa Feb 2, 2012

by HezWelling

CRUCIFY HIM!!!!

CRUCIFY HIM!!!!

CRUCIFY HIM!!!!


Brother,

I have tried not to come into this thread and I was clicking on it saying, "Why am going here?" And I saw your post and laughed. I know it's not meant to be funny but I had to thank you for bringing some levity to this topic.

God bless you, Neil
Lisa

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